[quote]Grneyes wrote:
I haven’t read the whole thread but what do you think that 10 y/o felt when the G.A. just turned around and left him to be raped? The G.A. said both the boy and Sandusky SAW him. That poor boy! [/quote]
Exactly my thoughts… and another reason I’d have put that fucker’s lights out if I were the assistant.
NO EXCUSES
^^Tex Ag-I figured that’s what you meant as the rest of your comment wouldn’t have made sense. Just providing a link as you requested 
[quote]SmilingPolitely wrote:
^^Tex Ag-I figured that’s what you meant as the rest of your comment wouldn’t have made sense. Just providing a link as you requested :)[/quote]
good and thanks
[quote]Tex Ag wrote:
[quote]BONEZ217 wrote:
After thinking about this further Ive reached this opinion.
The 2(?) witnesses, the Grad Assistant and the Janitor, are the most to blame in this.
Both of them were grown men who saw children getting raped. Niether went to the police. That’s ridiculous.
We’re not talking about grade school children who witnessed something terrible; there youd expect them to report what they saw to a parent, teacher, authority figure. The grad assistant was probably my age when he saw a child get raped and he went to tell his dad about it. That’s not acceptable. Any well adjusted adult should understand that going to the police should be the first thing done when the crime is this severe.
Joe Paterno is taking a lot of flack because of his stature, and it may turn out to be deserved, but the witnesses are the ones that betrayed the victims the most. [/quote]
If the grad assistant and the janitor reported the incidents to their bosses and were assured it would be taken care of, then given the academic environment where things are handled usually by campus cops then city cops if needed, I can understand why they did not report it to the city food afterwards. Remember, this is their work environment. [/quote]
But this wasnt some situation where an employee is stealing from his company and gets caught by another employee. Or where an employee is caught violating a rule mandated by the football program.
Raping children has nothing to do with PSU or the football program. When a kid is being raped the first thought that goes through a rational mind is ‘this man must be arrested’ or something along that line.
If the janitor or grad student acted like a responsible adult the AD and Paterno dont even need to be involved. Just go to the police. It seems like every single person connected to this did absolutely as little as legally mandated.
[quote]Iron Dwarf wrote:
[quote]Grneyes wrote:
I haven’t read the whole thread but what do you think that 10 y/o felt when the G.A. just turned around and left him to be raped? The G.A. said both the boy and Sandusky SAW him. That poor boy! [/quote]
Exactly my thoughts… and another reason I’d have put that fucker’s lights out if I were the assistant.
NO EXCUSES[/quote]
I mean, I could understand being momentarily shocked, but then I would be like “WTF! STOP THAT!” and tried to STOP it! We don’t even know who that kid is yet, right? Or how many times he’d been raped?
[quote]Grneyes wrote:
[quote]Iron Dwarf wrote:
[quote]Grneyes wrote:
I haven’t read the whole thread but what do you think that 10 y/o felt when the G.A. just turned around and left him to be raped? The G.A. said both the boy and Sandusky SAW him. That poor boy! [/quote]
Exactly my thoughts… and another reason I’d have put that fucker’s lights out if I were the assistant.
NO EXCUSES[/quote]
I mean, I could understand being momentarily shocked, but then I would be like “WTF! STOP THAT!” and tried to STOP it! We don’t even know who that kid is yet, right? Or how many times he’d been raped? [/quote]
Generally the names are protected in cases like this since the victim was a minor at the time, right?
Some victims may choose to tell their stories, but I would imagine most just want to get this over with and let the healing process begin.
Not too mention the countless kids (now adults) who will never come forward for the sheer embarrassment of the situation and/or not to subject their families to this kind of ordeal…
Sorry, I don’t mean the actual name, I mean, has he been identified at all? Has he come forward (in secrecy) and said “Yes, I am that 10 y/o boy.” Or do we just have the G.A.'s testimony?
Even if it did go down like I would want (catching him in the act, then reacting violently against him), it still doesn’t save countless other of his previous victims.
[quote]Iron Dwarf wrote:
Even if it did go down like I would want (catching him in the act, then reacting violently against him), it still doesn’t save countless other of his previous victims. [/quote]
No, but it would have saved the countless victims since. He was reported being seen with kids as late as 2009. And his ex-daughter-in-law has asked the courts to NOT let her kids be anywhere near him.
[quote]BONEZ217 wrote:
[quote]Tex Ag wrote:
[quote]BONEZ217 wrote:
After thinking about this further Ive reached this opinion.
The 2(?) witnesses, the Grad Assistant and the Janitor, are the most to blame in this.
Both of them were grown men who saw children getting raped. Niether went to the police. That’s ridiculous.
We’re not talking about grade school children who witnessed something terrible; there youd expect them to report what they saw to a parent, teacher, authority figure. The grad assistant was probably my age when he saw a child get raped and he went to tell his dad about it. That’s not acceptable. Any well adjusted adult should understand that going to the police should be the first thing done when the crime is this severe.
Joe Paterno is taking a lot of flack because of his stature, and it may turn out to be deserved, but the witnesses are the ones that betrayed the victims the most. [/quote]
If the grad assistant and the janitor reported the incidents to their bosses and were assured it would be taken care of, then given the academic environment where things are handled usually by campus cops then city cops if needed, I can understand why they did not report it to the city food afterwards. Remember, this is their work environment. [/quote]
But this wasnt some situation where an employee is stealing from his company and gets caught by another employee. Or where an employee is caught violating a rule mandated by the football program.
Raping children has nothing to do with PSU or the football program. When a kid is being raped the first thought that goes through a rational mind is ‘this man must be arrested’ or something along that line.
If the janitor or grad student acted like a responsible adult the AD and Paterno dont even need to be involved. Just go to the police. It seems like every single person connected to this did absolutely as little as legally mandated. [/quote]
I understand your argument and agree but the culture of universities is a little different. If I had a fight break out in my class this week, as the instructor I have some options. The first is go to my chair, then perhaps to the Dean or I could handle it myself if I thought I could. Calling the cops would only be if I could not stop the fight. If I was a TA or GA my option, at least how universities seem to promote it (I have been at five in different parts of the US), if to go to my supervisor. In this case, it was Jo Pa.
Granted the more I am reading about what the GA saw I whole heartedly agree he should have stepped in, protected the boy and called the cops. But we should consider the university culture. It might take a little heat off the GA but heaps more onto Jo Pa and the administration.
Probably overly simplistic but…
Isn’t it a crime to not report a dead body? I believe at least in Canada it is. Why isn’t it extended to child rape?
I know it’s a horrible embarrassment to come forward and have people know that you were taken advantage of.
But if I was abused by that fucker…I want a piece of the 9 figure settlement that is coming down the line.
It’s the least that Penn State can do to make their lives a little bit better after completely dropping the ball on this fucked up situation.
[quote]Tex Ag wrote:
[quote]BONEZ217 wrote:
[quote]Tex Ag wrote:
[quote]BONEZ217 wrote:
After thinking about this further Ive reached this opinion.
The 2(?) witnesses, the Grad Assistant and the Janitor, are the most to blame in this.
Both of them were grown men who saw children getting raped. Niether went to the police. That’s ridiculous.
We’re not talking about grade school children who witnessed something terrible; there youd expect them to report what they saw to a parent, teacher, authority figure. The grad assistant was probably my age when he saw a child get raped and he went to tell his dad about it. That’s not acceptable. Any well adjusted adult should understand that going to the police should be the first thing done when the crime is this severe.
Joe Paterno is taking a lot of flack because of his stature, and it may turn out to be deserved, but the witnesses are the ones that betrayed the victims the most. [/quote]
If the grad assistant and the janitor reported the incidents to their bosses and were assured it would be taken care of, then given the academic environment where things are handled usually by campus cops then city cops if needed, I can understand why they did not report it to the city food afterwards. Remember, this is their work environment. [/quote]
But this wasnt some situation where an employee is stealing from his company and gets caught by another employee. Or where an employee is caught violating a rule mandated by the football program.
Raping children has nothing to do with PSU or the football program. When a kid is being raped the first thought that goes through a rational mind is ‘this man must be arrested’ or something along that line.
If the janitor or grad student acted like a responsible adult the AD and Paterno dont even need to be involved. Just go to the police. It seems like every single person connected to this did absolutely as little as legally mandated. [/quote]
I understand your argument and agree but the culture of universities is a little different. If I had a fight break out in my class this week, as the instructor I have some options. The first is go to my chair, then perhaps to the Dean or I could handle it myself if I thought I could. Calling the cops would only be if I could not stop the fight. If I was a TA or GA my option, at least how universities seem to promote it (I have been at five in different parts of the US), if to go to my supervisor. In this case, it was Jo Pa.
Granted the more I am reading about what the GA saw I whole heartedly agree he should have stepped in, protected the boy and called the cops. But we should consider the university culture. It might take a little heat off the GA but heaps more onto Jo Pa and the administration.[/quote]
BUt this isnt a situation where a student/football player is doing something illicit. For all intents and purposes, Sandusky was a random citizen, a well respected citizen, but at the time had no employment ties to PSU.
The fact that this is a semi-famous pervert instead of a no-name pervert should be irrelevant to the GAs thought process.
Also, had the GA witnessed something like a two students engaging in consensual sex in the locker room, which Im sure is against school regulations, he’d be a fool to go to the cops. This is a mninor infraction that is appropriately handled in house. This is one of the most serious crimes a human can commit against society.
[quote]therajraj wrote:
Probably overly simplistic but…
Isn’t it a crime to not report a dead body? I believe at least in Canada it is. Why isn’t it extended to child rape?
[/quote]
The duty to report a crime is a complex subject in a moral sense, but legally its pretty straight forward.
In general there is no duty to report a crime.
There are exceptions though. Pennsylvania’s exception that applies to this situation is detailed in the Grand Jury report. The only people who broke the law besides the rapist are the AD and President.
What if your in a position of a mandated reporter?
[quote]MattyXL wrote:
What if your in a position of a mandated reporter?[/quote]
The AD and President are in that position.
I dont know much about labor law. But that’s what I was talking about. Mandated reporter is an exception to the no duty to report a crime rule. Individual states define who falls into that category.
[quote]pat wrote:
I really can’t find any deviance enough to find little kids sexually attractive…[/quote]
That’s the thing, Pat. Let’s assume YOU worked in an environment with young adult women in similar situations. Even though you’re a normal hetero male, you wouldn’t step over the line in attempt to violate any of the women, even though your normal healthy male sex drive WANTS you to.
That fucking perv not only has a thing for kids, but he took advantage of his power and their weakness. The man is a scumbag through and through. I’d say the same thing even if his victims were adult women.
[quote]BONEZ217 wrote:
[quote]Tex Ag wrote:
[quote]BONEZ217 wrote:
[quote]Tex Ag wrote:
[quote]BONEZ217 wrote:
After thinking about this further Ive reached this opinion.
The 2(?) witnesses, the Grad Assistant and the Janitor, are the most to blame in this.
Both of them were grown men who saw children getting raped. Niether went to the police. That’s ridiculous.
We’re not talking about grade school children who witnessed something terrible; there youd expect them to report what they saw to a parent, teacher, authority figure. The grad assistant was probably my age when he saw a child get raped and he went to tell his dad about it. That’s not acceptable. Any well adjusted adult should understand that going to the police should be the first thing done when the crime is this severe.
Joe Paterno is taking a lot of flack because of his stature, and it may turn out to be deserved, but the witnesses are the ones that betrayed the victims the most. [/quote]
If the grad assistant and the janitor reported the incidents to their bosses and were assured it would be taken care of, then given the academic environment where things are handled usually by campus cops then city cops if needed, I can understand why they did not report it to the city food afterwards. Remember, this is their work environment. [/quote]
But this wasnt some situation where an employee is stealing from his company and gets caught by another employee. Or where an employee is caught violating a rule mandated by the football program.
Raping children has nothing to do with PSU or the football program. When a kid is being raped the first thought that goes through a rational mind is ‘this man must be arrested’ or something along that line.
If the janitor or grad student acted like a responsible adult the AD and Paterno dont even need to be involved. Just go to the police. It seems like every single person connected to this did absolutely as little as legally mandated. [/quote]
I understand your argument and agree but the culture of universities is a little different. If I had a fight break out in my class this week, as the instructor I have some options. The first is go to my chair, then perhaps to the Dean or I could handle it myself if I thought I could. Calling the cops would only be if I could not stop the fight. If I was a TA or GA my option, at least how universities seem to promote it (I have been at five in different parts of the US), if to go to my supervisor. In this case, it was Jo Pa.
Granted the more I am reading about what the GA saw I whole heartedly agree he should have stepped in, protected the boy and called the cops. But we should consider the university culture. It might take a little heat off the GA but heaps more onto Jo Pa and the administration.[/quote]
BUt this isnt a situation where a student/football player is doing something illicit. For all intents and purposes, Sandusky was a random citizen, a well respected citizen, but at the time had no employment ties to PSU.
The fact that this is a semi-famous pervert instead of a no-name pervert should be irrelevant to the GAs thought process.
Also, had the GA witnessed something like a two students engaging in consensual sex in the locker room, which Im sure is against school regulations, he’d be a fool to go to the cops. This is a mninor infraction that is appropriately handled in house. This is one of the most serious crimes a human can commit against society. [/quote]
I think we agree to what should have been done.
Just thought I could give some context to why the GA might have acted the way he did. What he did at PSU would shape his entire career.
I agree his career should not have been first and foremost in that moment.
It’s all legal semantics at this point.
Paterno and the GA may not be at fault legally, but they damn sure are morally.
Both should be fired yesterday.
God knows how many innocent children could have been saved if either one had a backbone.
Paterno should have thrown that GA into his car once he heard “Coach Sandusky was in the shower with a young boy” and driven him straight to the cops and said…“tell them EVERYTHING YOU SAW.”
To argue anything else is just absurd.