[quote]therajraj wrote:
Check out Penn State’s facebook page. There are some people posting shit like this.[/quote]
have you seen any of the news clips where the reporters were mobbing JoePa as he left his house? There were quite a few fans/students there and when they reporters were trying to ask him questions about the scandle all of the students/fans were chanting “JOE PA-TERNO! JOE PA-TERNO! JOE PA-TERNO!” over and over.
They still love the guy.
EDIT: Heres the vid.
[quote]HoustonGuy wrote:
Anyways, out of curiousity, I googled Penn State AND Catholic Church and found tons of hits.
Forbes, a highly respected publication, came out on top.
You guys can suck Sandusky’s penis.
Back to Penn State only though.
Lataz!
And I repeat, fuck you, bigot.
[quote]scj119 wrote:
[quote]gregron wrote:
[quote]SmilingPolitely wrote:
As previously mentioned, its a criminal investigation so NCAA really can’t do anything. However, I can’t imagine that any parent is going to be chomping at the bit to have a coach from PSU come sit in their living room and convince their son/daughter how great PSU is.
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^^This.
This whole incident will be a recruiting NIGHTMARE… No good players are going to want to go there now. Their football program has just been stuck in a 10 year hole (so to speak)[/quote]
As much as I don’t want to make this about football… yeah we’ve already lost one top recruit I know of, and he won’t be the last.[/quote]
Well thats a huge part of it (sadly)
No doubt that all of the people involved will no longer be employed by Penn State after this is over with (as they should) and with the lack of NCAA sanctions one BIG thing that’s going to hamper the university, besides the bad rep, is the lack of revenue produced by the football team which is huge.
[quote]BradTGIF wrote:
I wish Bauer was still around. Would love to hear his input on this.
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I e-mailed him yesterday to ask him how he was holding up (for those of you who are unfamiliar, Bauer was a frequent poster on these boards for many years…he also played football at Penn State)
He said he was pretty shaken up about it…and that he felt horrible for the kids. Beyond that, he was pretty much disgusted with the whole deal.
[quote]pat wrote:
[quote]HoustonGuy wrote:
Anyways, out of curiousity, I googled Penn State AND Catholic Church and found tons of hits.
Forbes, a highly respected publication, came out on top.
You guys can suck Sandusky’s penis.
Back to Penn State only though.
Lataz!
And I repeat, fuck you, bigot. [/quote]
If you want to argue about the catholic church and pedos then GTFO of this thread and go to PWI. There will be so much stuff over there to pointlessly argue about that you’ll be busy rambling back and forth with idiots for weeks.
[quote]gregron wrote:
[quote]scj119 wrote:
[quote]gregron wrote:
[quote]SmilingPolitely wrote:
As previously mentioned, its a criminal investigation so NCAA really can’t do anything. However, I can’t imagine that any parent is going to be chomping at the bit to have a coach from PSU come sit in their living room and convince their son/daughter how great PSU is.
[/quote]
^^This.
This whole incident will be a recruiting NIGHTMARE… No good players are going to want to go there now. Their football program has just been stuck in a 10 year hole (so to speak)[/quote]
As much as I don’t want to make this about football… yeah we’ve already lost one top recruit I know of, and he won’t be the last.[/quote]
Well thats a huge part of it (sadly)
No doubt that all of the people involved will no longer be employed by Penn State after this is over with (as they should) and with the lack of NCAA sanctions one BIG thing that’s going to hamper the university, besides the bad rep, is the lack of revenue produced by the football team which is huge.[/quote]
I don’t think people will stop going to games… revenue shouldn’t suffer.
[quote]gregron wrote:
[quote]pat wrote:
[quote]HoustonGuy wrote:
Anyways, out of curiousity, I googled Penn State AND Catholic Church and found tons of hits.
Forbes, a highly respected publication, came out on top.
You guys can suck Sandusky’s penis.
Back to Penn State only though.
Lataz!
And I repeat, fuck you, bigot. [/quote]
If you want to argue about the catholic church and pedos then GTFO of this thread and go to PWI. There will be so much stuff over there to pointlessly argue about that you’ll be busy rambling back and forth with idiots for weeks.[/quote]
Hey wait a minute!!
/actually quite correct
[quote]scj119 wrote:
[quote]gregron wrote:
[quote]scj119 wrote:
[quote]gregron wrote:
[quote]SmilingPolitely wrote:
As previously mentioned, its a criminal investigation so NCAA really can’t do anything. However, I can’t imagine that any parent is going to be chomping at the bit to have a coach from PSU come sit in their living room and convince their son/daughter how great PSU is.
[/quote]
^^This.
This whole incident will be a recruiting NIGHTMARE… No good players are going to want to go there now. Their football program has just been stuck in a 10 year hole (so to speak)[/quote]
As much as I don’t want to make this about football… yeah we’ve already lost one top recruit I know of, and he won’t be the last.[/quote]
Well thats a huge part of it (sadly)
No doubt that all of the people involved will no longer be employed by Penn State after this is over with (as they should) and with the lack of NCAA sanctions one BIG thing that’s going to hamper the university, besides the bad rep, is the lack of revenue produced by the football team which is huge.[/quote]
I don’t think people will stop going to games… revenue shouldn’t suffer.[/quote]
with shitty recruiting they wont have a good record and wont be going to BCS game anytime soon… ever. Thats a $12-20 Million hit. Also… if you’re a prestigious bowl commissioner/comity are you going to invite Penn State to play in your bowl with all the bad press it would bring? I doubt it.
Penn State will be playing in the Cheese Whiz Snack Attack Bowl for the next few years lol
[quote]scj119 wrote:
[quote]SmilingPolitely wrote:
I’ve heard of bars getting sued if they serve someone too much alcohol and that person gets into an accident and kills someone. Why? Because they saw someone was a threat and chose to do nothing. Whether it is a drunk behind the wheel or a pedophile in the locker room is semantics.
I’m not saying JoePa is legally responsible, but he sure as shit ain’t innocent.
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I agree with that… I just think he should be 10% of the story instead of 90%. I’m not talking about you personally or even this thread - it’s all over every media outlet. JoePa’s pic and story are front and center at ESPN.com right now.
Sandusky was the story for one goddamn day and now it’s all about JoePa… and it will continue to be for the rest of the season. It’s a disservice to those kids (by the way, the count of kids coming forward is now near 20. Two-zero.)
–Where are the stories of the kids, and the stories of Sandusky? This guy used the most vile methods imaginable to get alone time with children and the #1 question on our minds is whether this will affect JoePa’s fucking retirement date? Fucking seriously, USA?
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Respectfully disagree bro, I think it goes w/o saying that Sandusky is the scum of the earth. However its actually IMO so much more abstract with regards to Paterno. I dont follow College sports at all, however Joe Paterno even to the outsider represented what was right with football PSU represented what was right with college sports for that matter, in fact I have read that he and the university has somewhat turned their nose up at other Universities for their “questionable” practices. When this happens to an institution that seems to be held to higher standards and always seem to adopt the high road its even more crushing when the most visible figure head knew about such horid events and simply didnt do enough…
I liken the Paterno to a single mother who invites her boyfriend over and the boyfriend abuses her daughter/son, willfull, woeful, criminal neglect.
[quote]scj119 wrote:
As a PSU grad, it’s shameful and abhorrent. I wish McQueary - the guy who actually SAW it - would take more heat than Paterno, but that’s how the world works. The fact that Paterno is like 6th on the blame list does not mean he is blameless, but I wish the story could focus elsewhere.[/quote]
EXACTLY. We’ll see about Paterno but I don’t see how this McQueary character can be on the field this saturday. But it’s the deified Paterno who sets the culture (a culture of keep-everything-behind-closed-doors, as Colin Cowherd put it) there and he’s not being unfairly singled out imo.
[quote]scj119 wrote:
Given the shit all of my FB friends are posting, I would say there is a very distinctive divide between PSU alums who think JoePa should take no blame and those who think he needs to step down immediately. Maybe 60/40 pro-JoePa.
I count myself among those who thinks he needs to step down, along with McQuery and Spanier. Spanier should be investigated criminally, the reports stopped at him and went no further up the chain (or to police).[/quote]
Isn’t this largely about many in the PSU community adopting a “siege mentality” in response to the outrage of the outside world? Or am I mistaken here?
(edited)
Dr. Pangloss: Thanks man, the ever present “but not limited to” phrase answers my question fully.
Plus, a Nittany Lion is now a euphemism for an older man who chases young boys, or the male alternative to a Cougar.
That probably won’t help recruiting efforts.
[quote]chillain wrote:
Isn’t this largely about many in the PSU community adopting a “siege mentality” in response to the outrage of the outside world? Or am I mistaken here?
(edited)[/quote]
A lot of PSUers feel that way, but those who agree with outsiders (like myself) merely blend into the mob of accusers. For that reason, from the outside it looks like all PSU alums are on JoePa’s side but from what I’ve seen it’s pretty split.
[quote]MattyXL wrote:
[quote]scj119 wrote:
[quote]SmilingPolitely wrote:
I’ve heard of bars getting sued if they serve someone too much alcohol and that person gets into an accident and kills someone. Why? Because they saw someone was a threat and chose to do nothing. Whether it is a drunk behind the wheel or a pedophile in the locker room is semantics.
I’m not saying JoePa is legally responsible, but he sure as shit ain’t innocent.
[/quote]
I agree with that… I just think he should be 10% of the story instead of 90%. I’m not talking about you personally or even this thread - it’s all over every media outlet. JoePa’s pic and story are front and center at ESPN.com right now.
Sandusky was the story for one goddamn day and now it’s all about JoePa… and it will continue to be for the rest of the season. It’s a disservice to those kids (by the way, the count of kids coming forward is now near 20. Two-zero.)
–Where are the stories of the kids, and the stories of Sandusky? This guy used the most vile methods imaginable to get alone time with children and the #1 question on our minds is whether this will affect JoePa’s fucking retirement date? Fucking seriously, USA?
[/quote]
Respectfully disagree bro, I think it goes w/o saying that Sandusky is the scum of the earth. However its actually IMO so much more abstract with regards to Paterno. I dont follow College sports at all, however Joe Paterno even to the outsider represented what was right with football PSU represented what was right with college sports for that matter, in fact I have read that he and the university has somewhat turned their nose up at other Universities for their “questionable” practices. When this happens to an institution that seems to be held to higher standards and always seem to adopt the high road its even more crushing when the most visible figure head knew about such horid events and simply didnt do enough…
I liken the Paterno to a single mother who invites her boyfriend over and the boyfriend abuses her daughter/son, willfull, woeful, criminal neglect.
[/quote]
The only caveat we will offer is we really don’t know how much Paterno knew. We can all surmise and make guesses (I certainly have), but it’s hard for me to pass a solid judgement without knowing 100% sure.
If all he had is one secondhand report about a friend of 30 years, and it was vague… it’s a little different than if he really knew/suspected what was going on. PERSONALLY I think he shielded him and knew more, but that is my opinion of what he knew and will withhold judgement until if/when it becomes reported as fact.
[quote]gregron wrote:
[quote]scj119 wrote:
[quote]gregron wrote:
[quote]scj119 wrote:
[quote]gregron wrote:
[quote]SmilingPolitely wrote:
As previously mentioned, its a criminal investigation so NCAA really can’t do anything. However, I can’t imagine that any parent is going to be chomping at the bit to have a coach from PSU come sit in their living room and convince their son/daughter how great PSU is.
[/quote]
^^This.
This whole incident will be a recruiting NIGHTMARE… No good players are going to want to go there now. Their football program has just been stuck in a 10 year hole (so to speak)[/quote]
As much as I don’t want to make this about football… yeah we’ve already lost one top recruit I know of, and he won’t be the last.[/quote]
Well thats a huge part of it (sadly)
No doubt that all of the people involved will no longer be employed by Penn State after this is over with (as they should) and with the lack of NCAA sanctions one BIG thing that’s going to hamper the university, besides the bad rep, is the lack of revenue produced by the football team which is huge.[/quote]
I don’t think people will stop going to games… revenue shouldn’t suffer.[/quote]
with shitty recruiting they wont have a good record and wont be going to BCS game anytime soon… ever. Thats a $12-20 Million hit. Also… if you’re a prestigious bowl commissioner/comity are you going to invite Penn State to play in your bowl with all the bad press it would bring? I doubt it.
Penn State will be playing in the Cheese Whiz Snack Attack Bowl for the next few years lol[/quote]
I think they won’t care about negative press given that PSU packs every bowl stadium and it’s TV audience (and corresponding ad revenue) is close to tops in the country. It’s all about the benjamins broseph.
[quote]gregron wrote:
[quote]pat wrote:
[quote]HoustonGuy wrote:
Anyways, out of curiousity, I googled Penn State AND Catholic Church and found tons of hits.
Forbes, a highly respected publication, came out on top.
You guys can suck Sandusky’s penis.
Back to Penn State only though.
Lataz!
And I repeat, fuck you, bigot. [/quote]
If you want to argue about the catholic church and pedos then GTFO of this thread and go to PWI. There will be so much stuff over there to pointlessly argue about that you’ll be busy rambling back and forth with idiots for weeks.[/quote]
Not arguing, I am expressing myself and I am done. My ‘arguments’ usually don’t contain a ‘fuck you’, I would usually lead you to draw that conclusion on your own 
[quote]MattyXL wrote:
[quote]scj119 wrote:
[quote]SmilingPolitely wrote:
I’ve heard of bars getting sued if they serve someone too much alcohol and that person gets into an accident and kills someone. Why? Because they saw someone was a threat and chose to do nothing. Whether it is a drunk behind the wheel or a pedophile in the locker room is semantics.
I’m not saying JoePa is legally responsible, but he sure as shit ain’t innocent.
[/quote]
I agree with that… I just think he should be 10% of the story instead of 90%. I’m not talking about you personally or even this thread - it’s all over every media outlet. JoePa’s pic and story are front and center at ESPN.com right now.
Sandusky was the story for one goddamn day and now it’s all about JoePa… and it will continue to be for the rest of the season. It’s a disservice to those kids (by the way, the count of kids coming forward is now near 20. Two-zero.)
–Where are the stories of the kids, and the stories of Sandusky? This guy used the most vile methods imaginable to get alone time with children and the #1 question on our minds is whether this will affect JoePa’s fucking retirement date? Fucking seriously, USA?
[/quote]
Respectfully disagree bro, I think it goes w/o saying that Sandusky is the scum of the earth. However its actually IMO so much more abstract with regards to Paterno. I dont follow College sports at all, however Joe Paterno even to the outsider represented what was right with football PSU represented what was right with college sports for that matter, in fact I have read that he and the university has somewhat turned their nose up at other Universities for their “questionable” practices. When this happens to an institution that seems to be held to higher standards and always seem to adopt the high road its even more crushing when the most visible figure head knew about such horid events and simply didnt do enough…
I liken the Paterno to a single mother who invites her boyfriend over and the boyfriend abuses her daughter/son, willfull, woeful, criminal neglect.
[/quote]
I agree and I think he should be out NOW, not at the end of the season. What he know or didn’t is questionable, but he knew enough and did nothing.
[quote]scj119 wrote:
[quote]MattyXL wrote:
[quote]scj119 wrote:
[quote]SmilingPolitely wrote:
I’ve heard of bars getting sued if they serve someone too much alcohol and that person gets into an accident and kills someone. Why? Because they saw someone was a threat and chose to do nothing. Whether it is a drunk behind the wheel or a pedophile in the locker room is semantics.
I’m not saying JoePa is legally responsible, but he sure as shit ain’t innocent.
[/quote]
I agree with that… I just think he should be 10% of the story instead of 90%. I’m not talking about you personally or even this thread - it’s all over every media outlet. JoePa’s pic and story are front and center at ESPN.com right now.
Sandusky was the story for one goddamn day and now it’s all about JoePa… and it will continue to be for the rest of the season. It’s a disservice to those kids (by the way, the count of kids coming forward is now near 20. Two-zero.)
–Where are the stories of the kids, and the stories of Sandusky? This guy used the most vile methods imaginable to get alone time with children and the #1 question on our minds is whether this will affect JoePa’s fucking retirement date? Fucking seriously, USA?
[/quote]
Respectfully disagree bro, I think it goes w/o saying that Sandusky is the scum of the earth. However its actually IMO so much more abstract with regards to Paterno. I dont follow College sports at all, however Joe Paterno even to the outsider represented what was right with football PSU represented what was right with college sports for that matter, in fact I have read that he and the university has somewhat turned their nose up at other Universities for their “questionable” practices. When this happens to an institution that seems to be held to higher standards and always seem to adopt the high road its even more crushing when the most visible figure head knew about such horid events and simply didnt do enough…
I liken the Paterno to a single mother who invites her boyfriend over and the boyfriend abuses her daughter/son, willfull, woeful, criminal neglect.
[/quote]
The only caveat we will offer is we really don’t know how much Paterno knew. We can all surmise and make guesses (I certainly have), but it’s hard for me to pass a solid judgement without knowing 100% sure.
If all he had is one secondhand report about a friend of 30 years, and it was vague… it’s a little different than if he really knew/suspected what was going on. PERSONALLY I think he shielded him and knew more, but that is my opinion of what he knew and will withhold judgement until if/when it becomes reported as fact.[/quote]
According to the 23 page grand jury indictment…he was informed on two separate occasions by wittiness’s to abuse…including a “visibly shaken” graduate assistant. And only went to the A.D. (who he has more power than on campus… you must know that).
And never went to the police. and continued to see Sandusky on campus WITH CHILDREN.
He is the captain of the ship, the buck stops with him…it is most certainly ABOUT HIM!!!
Update:
The number of victims now coming forward is “over 20”
Paterno releases statement “Done after this year”
Don’t think he should be allowed to finish the season…it’s not about football any more.
Here’s a good article from a guy who interviewed him in the past around that time:
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/writers/jack_mccallum/11/08/sandusky/index.html?sct=cf_t11_a8