WTF Penn State?!?!?!

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[quote]BradTGIF wrote:

[quote]HoustonGuy wrote:

[quote]BONEZ217 wrote:

[quote]HoustonGuy wrote:

[quote]BONEZ217 wrote:

[quote]HoustonGuy wrote:
Who wants to bet these guys are Catholics? Speaking of institutional pedophilia.[/quote]

Im far from religious but this is one of the more ignorant things posted in a while. [/quote]
Orly?[/quote]

It’s actually so ignorant that a dignified response may come across sounding like an explanation of the theory of relativity to a person with three #21 chromosomes. [/quote]
If institutionalized pedophilia overlooked by organizational superiors makes for ignorant conversation then this whole thread is a wash.

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How are the actions of one individual considered “institutionalized?”

It’d be like one employee at Applebees deciding to take a poop in the sink, thus the rest of the Applebees restaurants must be sink poopers?

C’mon now.

Comparisons to that particular church is pretty low hanging fruit at this point.
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Are you suggesting only Sandusky should be held responsible for the entire scandal then?

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[quote]BradTGIF wrote:

[quote]HoustonGuy wrote:

[quote]BONEZ217 wrote:

[quote]HoustonGuy wrote:

[quote]BONEZ217 wrote:

[quote]HoustonGuy wrote:
Who wants to bet these guys are Catholics? Speaking of institutional pedophilia.[/quote]

Im far from religious but this is one of the more ignorant things posted in a while. [/quote]
Orly?[/quote]

It’s actually so ignorant that a dignified response may come across sounding like an explanation of the theory of relativity to a person with three #21 chromosomes. [/quote]
If institutionalized pedophilia overlooked by organizational superiors makes for ignorant conversation then this whole thread is a wash.

[/quote]

How are the actions of one individual considered “institutionalized?”

It’d be like one employee at Applebees deciding to take a poop in the sink, thus the rest of the Applebees restaurants must be sink poopers?

C’mon now.

Comparisons to that particular church is pretty low hanging fruit at this point.
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Not every priest is a pedophile, but priests fully aware of the pedophilia that were able to stop it, didn’t.

Not everybody as PSU was a pedophile, but those fully aware of the pedophilia that were able to stop it, didn’t.

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[quote]chillain wrote:

[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:
I honestly think this is gonna turn out to be bigger than just a a cover up by the school. The guy was reported to police in '98 and NOTHING happened. I think pockets were lined and blind eyes were turned all over that town to keep this thing from ever going public.[/quote]

On Jim Rome’s radio show this morning, a caller speculated that this could bring out the “death penalty” for PSU’s storied football program.

Considering the NCAA shuttered SMU’s football program shuttered for covering up recruiting violations, how is this coverup not 1000x worse??

Maybe firing absolutely everyone will suffice, but then again maybe not…
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As previously mentioned, its a criminal investigation so NCAA really can’t do anything. However, I can’t imagine that any parent is going to be chomping at the bit to have a coach from PSU come sit in their living room and convince their son/daughter how great PSU is.

Its not necessarily fair to condemn the entire athletic program but lets face it, if PSU was a religion, JoePa would be the fucking Pope. Reporting the actions to the AD is a step backwards in the realistic chain of command. Who the hell on that campus is going to cross Paterno?

It will be really interesting to see what is talked about if/when Paterno does a press conference. Reports say he was willing and ready to talk yesterday before the President of the University pulled the plug. Looks like that joker isn’t going to finish the week. Reports are that Tom Ridge is going to step in as acting President.

This story is just so damn shady. I am sure there are a million reasons why the DA who called off the investigation after Sandusky confessed to the mother vanished in 2005, had his hard drive demolished and is suspected dead. And to jump to the conclusion that it is in direct relation to this case is rather short sighted, but DAMN that is shady as fuck!

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[quote]HoustonGuy wrote:

[quote]BradTGIF wrote:

[quote]HoustonGuy wrote:

[quote]BONEZ217 wrote:

[quote]HoustonGuy wrote:

[quote]BONEZ217 wrote:

[quote]HoustonGuy wrote:
Who wants to bet these guys are Catholics? Speaking of institutional pedophilia.[/quote]

Im far from religious but this is one of the more ignorant things posted in a while. [/quote]
Orly?[/quote]

It’s actually so ignorant that a dignified response may come across sounding like an explanation of the theory of relativity to a person with three #21 chromosomes. [/quote]
If institutionalized pedophilia overlooked by organizational superiors makes for ignorant conversation then this whole thread is a wash.

[/quote]

How are the actions of one individual considered “institutionalized?”

It’d be like one employee at Applebees deciding to take a poop in the sink, thus the rest of the Applebees restaurants must be sink poopers?

C’mon now.

Comparisons to that particular church is pretty low hanging fruit at this point.
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Are you suggesting only Sandusky should be held responsible for the entire scandal then?[/quote]

Are you suggesting that you’re arguing your joke as something with validity in this conversation?

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As a PSU grad, it’s shameful and abhorrent. I wish McQueary - the guy who actually SAW it - would take more heat than Paterno, but that’s how the world works. The fact that Paterno is like 6th on the blame list does not mean he is blameless, but I wish the story could focus elsewhere.

Without going to PSU, you can’t really relate to what a sense of pride everyone feels out of never having any scandals there, how Paterno does it “the right way”, etc. As shocking as this news is to the general public, it is 10 times more so to people who went there… PSU really remains a part of you, as tacky as that sounds.

As I said on my fb status, “To steal a line from Office Space, I hope Sandusky goes to a Federal, pound-me-in-the-ass prison.” There is a lot of blame to go around here… the admins, McQueary, Paterno, Spanier (president).

How about the fact that Sandusky created a charity organization for at-risk youth - basically used the trust of parents of troubled kids in order to pick his little buddies, WHILE earning praise for being a charitable figure?

Did I mention he has 6 adopted kids with his wife? I can only pray for them.

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[quote]BradTGIF wrote:

[quote]HoustonGuy wrote:

[quote]BradTGIF wrote:

[quote]HoustonGuy wrote:

[quote]BONEZ217 wrote:

[quote]HoustonGuy wrote:

[quote]BONEZ217 wrote:

[quote]HoustonGuy wrote:
Who wants to bet these guys are Catholics? Speaking of institutional pedophilia.[/quote]

Im far from religious but this is one of the more ignorant things posted in a while. [/quote]
Orly?[/quote]

It’s actually so ignorant that a dignified response may come across sounding like an explanation of the theory of relativity to a person with three #21 chromosomes. [/quote]
If institutionalized pedophilia overlooked by organizational superiors makes for ignorant conversation then this whole thread is a wash.

[/quote]

How are the actions of one individual considered “institutionalized?”

It’d be like one employee at Applebees deciding to take a poop in the sink, thus the rest of the Applebees restaurants must be sink poopers?

C’mon now.

Comparisons to that particular church is pretty low hanging fruit at this point.
[/quote]
Are you suggesting only Sandusky should be held responsible for the entire scandal then?[/quote]

Are you suggesting that you’re arguing your joke as something with validity in this conversation?

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I’m suggesting organizational pedophilia and ensuing cover ups are pretty sick and I’m right, though it was initially a joke that Paterno and Sandusky are most likely catholic.

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I would still like to know however what the law is with regards to Paterno and if he is a mandated reporter, the children were not under his direction and were not technically part of the university. Does Paterno get a pass legally? I think we all know what the answer is morally but legally is his “neglect” a criminal offense?

I also heard that many janitors in the 90’s and early 2000’s were aware and brought to some higher ups attention. The main custodian is in like a hospice and suffers from severe dementia now and is no longer a viable witness…

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Anyways, out of curiousity, I googled Penn State AND Catholic Church and found tons of hits.

Forbes, a highly respected publication, came out on top.

You guys can suck Sandusky’s penis.

Back to Penn State only though.

Lataz!

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[quote]MattyXL wrote:
I would still like to know however what the law is with regards to Paterno and if he is a mandated reporter, the children were not under his direction and were not technically part of the university. Does Paterno get a pass legally? I think we all know what the answer is morally but legally is his “neglect” a criminal offense?

I also heard that many janitors in the 90’s and early 2000’s were aware and brought to some higher ups attention. The main custodian is in like a hospice and suffers from severe dementia now and is no longer a viable witness… [/quote]

Paterno is not under investigation. The prosecuting attorney said he met his legal obligations but morally speaking it’s fair to say he did not.

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[quote]scj119 wrote:
As a PSU grad, it’s shameful and abhorrent. I wish McQueary - the guy who actually SAW it - would take more heat than Paterno, but that’s how the world works. The fact that Paterno is like 6th on the blame list does not mean he is blameless, but I wish the story could focus elsewhere.

Without going to PSU, you can’t really relate to what a sense of pride everyone feels out of never having any scandals there, how Paterno does it “the right way”, etc. As shocking as this news is to the general public, it is 10 times more so to people who went there… PSU really remains a part of you, as tacky as that sounds.

As I said on my fb status, “To steal a line from Office Space, I hope Sandusky goes to a Federal, pound-me-in-the-ass prison.” There is a lot of blame to go around here… the admins, McQueary, Paterno, Spanier (president).

How about the fact that Sandusky created a charity organization for at-risk youth - basically used the trust of parents of troubled kids in order to pick his little buddies, WHILE earning praise for being a charitable figure?

Did I mention he has 6 adopted kids with his wife? I can only pray for them.[/quote]

At this point in his career, are you of the opinion that JoePa still wields a fair amount of power or that he is merely a figure head?

If he is just a figure head at this point then I think less of the blame falls on him. However if he still has power then the responsibility falls on him to act. [insert Spiderman quote here]

Considering he has long been the face of the college and always held himself up as “doing it the right way” I think many people are having difficulty reconciling the fact that Paterno let Sandusky continue to use the PSU facilities as recently as a week ago. It just looks bad to let a controversial figure who you were told had, at the very least, acted “inappropriately” in the shower with a young boy, use your facilities while in the middle of a 3 year long investigation of alleged child abuse. How is that in the best interest of your players?

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Check out Penn State’s facebook page. There are some people posting shit like this.

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[quote]SmilingPolitely wrote:

[quote]scj119 wrote:
As a PSU grad, it’s shameful and abhorrent. I wish McQueary - the guy who actually SAW it - would take more heat than Paterno, but that’s how the world works. The fact that Paterno is like 6th on the blame list does not mean he is blameless, but I wish the story could focus elsewhere.

Without going to PSU, you can’t really relate to what a sense of pride everyone feels out of never having any scandals there, how Paterno does it “the right way”, etc. As shocking as this news is to the general public, it is 10 times more so to people who went there… PSU really remains a part of you, as tacky as that sounds.

As I said on my fb status, “To steal a line from Office Space, I hope Sandusky goes to a Federal, pound-me-in-the-ass prison.” There is a lot of blame to go around here… the admins, McQueary, Paterno, Spanier (president).

How about the fact that Sandusky created a charity organization for at-risk youth - basically used the trust of parents of troubled kids in order to pick his little buddies, WHILE earning praise for being a charitable figure?

Did I mention he has 6 adopted kids with his wife? I can only pray for them.[/quote]

At this point in his career, are you of the opinion that JoePa still wields a fair amount of power or that he is merely a figure head?

If he is just a figure head at this point then I think less of the blame falls on him. However if he still has power then the responsibility falls on him to act. [insert Spiderman quote here]

Considering he has long been the face of the college and always held himself up as “doing it the right way” I think many people are having difficulty reconciling the fact that Paterno let Sandusky continue to use the PSU facilities as recently as a week ago. It just looks bad to let a controversial figure who you were told had, at the very least, acted “inappropriately” in the shower with a young boy, use your facilities while in the middle of a 3 year long investigation of alleged child abuse. How is that in the best interest of your players?[/quote]

This happened in 2002 so he was very much a coach.

But seriously people, with all this talk of JoePa you’d think he molested those kids. There is more fucking outrage at him than the actual perp. It is fucking LUDICROUS.

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[quote]MattyXL wrote:
I would still like to know however what the law is with regards to Paterno and if he is a mandated reporter, the children were not under his direction and were not technically part of the university. Does Paterno get a pass legally? I think we all know what the answer is morally but legally is his “neglect” a criminal offense?
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While I think it’s a stretch to say that a college coach is a mandatory reporter (although I wouldn’t necessarily exclude it) her certainly had a moral obligation to do more. Much more.

Pennsylvania
Professionals Required to Report
Cons. Stat. Tit. 23, § 6311
Persons required to report include, but are not limited to:
Licensed physicians, osteopaths, medical examiners, coroners, funeral directors, dentists, optometrists, â?¢ chiropractors, podiatrists, interns, nurses, or hospital personnel
Christian Science practitioners or members of the clergyâ?¢
School administrators, teachers, school nurses, social services workers, daycare center workers, or any other child â?¢ care or foster care workers
Mental health professionalsâ?¢
Peace officers or law enforcement officialsâ?¢
Reporting by Other Persons
Cons. Stat. Tit. 23, § 6312
Any person who has reason to suspect that a child is abused or neglected may report.
Standards for Making a Report
Cons. Stat. Tit. 23, § 6311
A report is required when a person, who in the course of employment, occupation, or practice of a profession, comes into contact with children, has reasonable cause to suspect, on the basis of medical, professional, or other training and experience, that a child is a victim of child abuse.
Privileged Communications
Cons. Stat. Tit. 23, § 6311
Except with respect to confidential communications made to a member of the clergy that are protected under 42 Pa.C.S. § 5943 (relating to confidential communications to clergymen), and except with respect to confidential communications made to an attorney that are protected by 42 Pa.C.S. §§ 5916 or 5928 (relating to confidential communications to an attorney), the privileged communication between any professional person required to report and the patient or client of that person shall not apply to situations involving child abuse and shall not constitute grounds for failure to report as required by this chapter.
Inclusion of Reporterâ??s Name in Report
Cons. Stat. Tit. 23, § 6313
Mandated reporters must make a written report that includes their name and contact information.
Disclosure of Reporter Identity
Cons. Stat. Tit. 23, § 6340
The release of the identity of the mandated reporter is prohibited unless the secretary finds that the release will not be detrimental to the safety of the reporter.

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[quote]therajraj wrote:
Check out Penn State’s facebook page. There are some people posting shit like this.[/quote]

I’m not saying I agree with the notion… but you have to understand what sort of devoted following you get when you lead a successful team for 40 years with never any hint of scandal or violation… it leads people to believe JoePa wasn’t at fault.

Given the shit all of my FB friends are posting, I would say there is a very distinctive divide between PSU alums who think JoePa should take no blame and those who think he needs to step down immediately. Maybe 60/40 pro-JoePa.

I count myself among those who thinks he needs to step down, along with McQuery and Spanier. Spanier should be investigated criminally, the reports stopped at him and went no further up the chain (or to police).

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[quote]scj119 wrote:

[quote]SmilingPolitely wrote:

[quote]scj119 wrote:
As a PSU grad, it’s shameful and abhorrent. I wish McQueary - the guy who actually SAW it - would take more heat than Paterno, but that’s how the world works. The fact that Paterno is like 6th on the blame list does not mean he is blameless, but I wish the story could focus elsewhere.

Without going to PSU, you can’t really relate to what a sense of pride everyone feels out of never having any scandals there, how Paterno does it “the right way”, etc. As shocking as this news is to the general public, it is 10 times more so to people who went there… PSU really remains a part of you, as tacky as that sounds.

As I said on my fb status, “To steal a line from Office Space, I hope Sandusky goes to a Federal, pound-me-in-the-ass prison.” There is a lot of blame to go around here… the admins, McQueary, Paterno, Spanier (president).

How about the fact that Sandusky created a charity organization for at-risk youth - basically used the trust of parents of troubled kids in order to pick his little buddies, WHILE earning praise for being a charitable figure?

Did I mention he has 6 adopted kids with his wife? I can only pray for them.[/quote]

At this point in his career, are you of the opinion that JoePa still wields a fair amount of power or that he is merely a figure head?

If he is just a figure head at this point then I think less of the blame falls on him. However if he still has power then the responsibility falls on him to act. [insert Spiderman quote here]

Considering he has long been the face of the college and always held himself up as “doing it the right way” I think many people are having difficulty reconciling the fact that Paterno let Sandusky continue to use the PSU facilities as recently as a week ago. It just looks bad to let a controversial figure who you were told had, at the very least, acted “inappropriately” in the shower with a young boy, use your facilities while in the middle of a 3 year long investigation of alleged child abuse. How is that in the best interest of your players?[/quote]

This happened in 2002 so he was very much a coach.

But seriously people, with all this talk of JoePa you’d think he molested those kids. There is more fucking outrage at him than the actual perp. It is fucking LUDICROUS.
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I’ve heard of bars getting sued if they serve someone too much alcohol and that person gets into an accident and kills someone. Why? Because they saw someone was a threat and chose to do nothing. Whether it is a drunk behind the wheel or a pedophile in the locker room is semantics.

I’m not saying JoePa is legally responsible, but he sure as shit ain’t innocent.

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He’s gone at the end of the season

http://abcnews.go.com/Sports/wireStory/ap-source-paterno-retire-end-season-14913803

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[quote]SmilingPolitely wrote:

I’ve heard of bars getting sued if they serve someone too much alcohol and that person gets into an accident and kills someone. Why? Because they saw someone was a threat and chose to do nothing. Whether it is a drunk behind the wheel or a pedophile in the locker room is semantics.

I’m not saying JoePa is legally responsible, but he sure as shit ain’t innocent.

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I agree with that… I just think he should be 10% of the story instead of 90%. I’m not talking about you personally or even this thread - it’s all over every media outlet. JoePa’s pic and story are front and center at ESPN.com right now.

Sandusky was the story for one goddamn day and now it’s all about JoePa… and it will continue to be for the rest of the season. It’s a disservice to those kids (by the way, the count of kids coming forward is now near 20. Two-zero.)

–Where are the stories of the kids, and the stories of Sandusky? This guy used the most vile methods imaginable to get alone time with children and the #1 question on our minds is whether this will affect JoePa’s fucking retirement date? Fucking seriously, USA?

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[quote]SmilingPolitely wrote:
As previously mentioned, its a criminal investigation so NCAA really can’t do anything. However, I can’t imagine that any parent is going to be chomping at the bit to have a coach from PSU come sit in their living room and convince their son/daughter how great PSU is.
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^^This.

This whole incident will be a recruiting NIGHTMARE… No good players are going to want to go there now. Their football program has just been stuck in a 10 year hole (so to speak)

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[quote]gregron wrote:

[quote]SmilingPolitely wrote:
As previously mentioned, its a criminal investigation so NCAA really can’t do anything. However, I can’t imagine that any parent is going to be chomping at the bit to have a coach from PSU come sit in their living room and convince their son/daughter how great PSU is.
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^^This.

This whole incident will be a recruiting NIGHTMARE… No good players are going to want to go there now. Their football program has just been stuck in a 10 year hole (so to speak)[/quote]

As much as I don’t want to make this about football… yeah we’ve already lost one top recruit I know of, and he won’t be the last.