WTF Penn State?!?!?!

[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:

[quote]Sweet Revenge wrote:

[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:

[quote]Sweet Revenge wrote:
Paterno certainly did not cover-up.
He openly admitted not reporting alleged child abuse because he ‘didn’t want to ruin anyone’s weekend’!! Who the hell would say that to a Grand Jury under the circumstances? That’s a painfully honest remark and tipped Paterno’s hand of incompetence, negligence and general cluelessness. He would of faired better if he had said he ‘forgot’ – then we would have kindly thought dementia was starting to set in.

Much like the Catholic Church, it’s very sad to see people who arrogantly hold themselves to a higher standard - then crash and burn.[/quote]

He didn’t openly admit he didn’t report child abuse. He delayed it until Monday. You act as though the kid were getting raped the entire weekend in the showers and Joe just said let’s wait til Monday. What was a day going to matter?

Please explain to me what would have occurred Saturday that did not occur Monday?
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Certainly. First, you have to remember that anything with sex and children is a CRIME throughout the United States. Like any crime, time is of the essence. If Paterno had shown any concern for the kid and an OMG sense of urgency, he would have reported it like a crime…Then (a) The kid would have gotten help. (b) The kid would have been made safe. (c) Forensics would have been collected (d) Interviews conducted (e) if evidence and a conviction followed, about 7-8 years of pedophilia could have been avoided.[/quote]

So you’re saying if he reported it Saturday, instead of Monday, all this could have been avoided? Really?

Or are you arguing that if he reported it to the police? And I will reply that’s a hindsight argument. Because, and follow this closely, reporting it to your superiors, which included the man in charge of campus police, and the expectation that it would be handled appropriately, is NOT an unreasonable belief.

Are you telling me that if you reported a crime to your employer, and that employer had its own police department, that you would not expect it to be handled appropriately? Really?
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I’m saying that if ANYONE reported it with a sense of urgency, like the CRIME that it was, a lot of this horseshit would have been avoided. Sorry, but Paterno (and McQueary) delegating it to superiors and then forgetting about it is not OK. Fucking lightweight cowards.

[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:

[quote]Sweet Revenge wrote:

[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:
And, have you been following the local story of Bill Conlin? And have you noticed all those adults that did NOTHING? Nothing! Parents! Relatives!

NOTHING.

Joe reported it. He didn’t call his buddy. He reported it.
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Several states are already drafting laws that would make it a crime NOT to report child sex abuse. It’s long long overdue.[/quote]

Yeah and from the looks of it, some parents are going to be in danger of going to jail…unless of course you’re missing this local Bill Conlin affair. [/quote]

Piece of shit parents should go to jail.

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Penn State finally found their new coach, the OC from the Patriots.

Several alums are pissed because they didn’t hire a “Penn State guy.”

http://tracking.si.com/2012/01/06/lavar-arrington-other-penn-state-alumni-upset-with-penn-state-coaching-search/

Idiots! This guy may not turn out to be a great coach, but PSU had to look outside the program to move forward. It would be too great of a risk to bring someone on board with close connections to the old staff and the ugliness that went on.

[quote]Ulty wrote:
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Penn State finally found their new coach, the OC from the Patriots.

Several alums are pissed because they didn’t hire a “Penn State guy.”

http://tracking.si.com/2012/01/06/lavar-arrington-other-penn-state-alumni-upset-with-penn-state-coaching-search/

Idiots! This guy may not turn out to be a great coach, but PSU had to look outside the program to move forward. It would be too great of a risk to bring someone on board with close connections to the old staff and the ugliness that went on.[/quote]

Totally…if you are gonna go into a recruits living room now, you have to be able to say…“I was never involved in any of that, fresh start, turning the page…ect, ect.”

[quote]UtahLama wrote:

[quote]Ulty wrote:
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Penn State finally found their new coach, the OC from the Patriots.

Several alums are pissed because they didn’t hire a “Penn State guy.”

http://tracking.si.com/2012/01/06/lavar-arrington-other-penn-state-alumni-upset-with-penn-state-coaching-search/

Idiots! This guy may not turn out to be a great coach, but PSU had to look outside the program to move forward. It would be too great of a risk to bring someone on board with close connections to the old staff and the ugliness that went on.[/quote]

Totally…if you are gonna go into a recruits living room now, you have to be able to say…“I was never involved in any of that, fresh start, turning the page…ect, ect.”[/quote]

Well the “alums” are always part of the fucking problem, and I say fuckem they wont be bitching when or if this guy keeps Penn State relevant or God forbid bring a BCS championship.

[quote]Derek542 wrote:

[quote]UtahLama wrote:

[quote]Ulty wrote:
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Penn State finally found their new coach, the OC from the Patriots.

Several alums are pissed because they didn’t hire a “Penn State guy.”

http://tracking.si.com/2012/01/06/lavar-arrington-other-penn-state-alumni-upset-with-penn-state-coaching-search/

Idiots! This guy may not turn out to be a great coach, but PSU had to look outside the program to move forward. It would be too great of a risk to bring someone on board with close connections to the old staff and the ugliness that went on.[/quote]

Totally…if you are gonna go into a recruits living room now, you have to be able to say…“I was never involved in any of that, fresh start, turning the page…ect, ect.”[/quote]

Well the “alums” are always part of the fucking problem, and I say fuckem they wont be bitching when or if this guy keeps Penn State relevant or God forbid bring a BCS championship. [/quote]

There is absolutely ZERO chance of that happening. Guarantee that Penn state NEVER wins a BCS championship… The BCS won’t be around long enough for that lol.

How did it work out for the last school that hired the genius Offensive coordinator out of New England? COUGH-COUGHnotredamefatcharlieweisCOUGH-COUGH

[quote]gregron wrote:

[quote]Derek542 wrote:

[quote]UtahLama wrote:

[quote]Ulty wrote:
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Penn State finally found their new coach, the OC from the Patriots.

Several alums are pissed because they didn’t hire a “Penn State guy.”

http://tracking.si.com/2012/01/06/lavar-arrington-other-penn-state-alumni-upset-with-penn-state-coaching-search/

Idiots! This guy may not turn out to be a great coach, but PSU had to look outside the program to move forward. It would be too great of a risk to bring someone on board with close connections to the old staff and the ugliness that went on.[/quote]

Totally…if you are gonna go into a recruits living room now, you have to be able to say…“I was never involved in any of that, fresh start, turning the page…ect, ect.”[/quote]

Well the “alums” are always part of the fucking problem, and I say fuckem they wont be bitching when or if this guy keeps Penn State relevant or God forbid bring a BCS championship. [/quote]

There is absolutely ZERO chance of that happening. Guarantee that Penn state NEVER wins a BCS championship… The BCS won’t be around long enough for that lol.

How did it work out for the last school that hired the genius Offensive coordinator out of New England? COUGH-COUGHnotredamefatcharlieweisCOUGH-COUGH[/quote]

Lol

Oh don’t get me started on PSU again! I had to go cold turkey for Christmas. Unfortunately, I work with a couple of Penn State Alums and let me tell you…these guys have progressed from drinking the Happy Valley kool-aid to smoking it! They are pissed at the Trustees actions and want everyone on the Board to get fired over the ‘disgraceful’ handling of the situation. Here they are, protecting the almighty image again. The arrogance and denial knows no bounds :frowning:

Former Penn State President Spanier invited Jerry Sandusky into his private box to watch Penn State/Illinois… 6 DAYS BEFORE HIS ARREST.

“Several university official’s Paterno, Spanier, Curley, Schultz, assistant coach Mike McQueary, to name those mentioned in court papers had already testified in front of the grand jury that was investigating Sandusky. And Spanier, according to his replacement, Rodney Erickson, had briefed the school’s Board of Trustees about the existence of the grand jury’s investigation months before the inquiry’s findings were made public.”

“Erickson’s admission that Spanier had addressed the Sandusky matter with the board also contradicts what Erickson said Saturday, when he was questioned by reporters about why the university seemed blindsided by the reality of Sandusky’s indictment. At first, Erickson tried to say he and other school officials knew nothing. He then said he was aware of an isolated case in Clinton County. He then denied he had read any of the numerous reports over several months about the existence of the investigation done by the Patriot-News.”

LOLZ here http://videos.pennlive.com/patriot-news/2012/01/watch_psu_president_erickson_d.html

Penn State cannot seem to quite shooting themselves in the foot. Holy JEEBUS.

I believe the man 100%. I also don’t believe that some “blind loyalty” to their University is responsible for a very vocal alumni that feels, as I do, that Paterno got a raw fucking deal.

“Run the show”? Bullshit. Lots of influence, yes.

As I’ve said repeatedly, “what did he know and when”? Turns out, not fucking much - no details. Nothing graphic. Something “inappropriate” which he PROMPTLY reported to his superiors and which he felt they would handle - which is entirely a reasonable expectation. Didn’t socialize with Sandusky, etc.

Joe Paterno and “cover-up” my fucking ass.

Joe Paterno and “out of touch” perhaps, but that’s been said way before the scandal.

[quote]Sweet Revenge wrote:
Oh don’t get me started on PSU again! I had to go cold turkey for Christmas. Unfortunately, I work with a couple of Penn State Alums and let me tell you…these guys have progressed from drinking the Happy Valley kool-aid to smoking it! They are pissed at the Trustees actions and want everyone on the Board to get fired over the ‘disgraceful’ handling of the situation. Here they are, protecting the almighty image again. The arrogance and denial knows no bounds :frowning: [/quote]

It’s more appropriate to place the arrogance tag on the BOT and university administration . If you were an alumnus and saw the ins and outs and goings on of they’d administration and board you’d skin a different tune.

Although I disagree with the tone of this article…whoever is letting Paterno talk to the media with civil suits still inevitable, should maybe re-think that strategy.

[quote]UtahLama wrote:
Although I disagree with the tone of this article…whoever is letting Paterno talk to the media with civil suits still inevitable, should maybe re-think that strategy.

Wow. Anyone out there still believe he’s just “out of touch”?

[quote]UtahLama wrote:
Although I disagree with the tone of this article…whoever is letting Paterno talk to the media with civil suits still inevitable, should maybe re-think that strategy.

you’re reaching pretty deep when you have to grasp to some random blog to support your sentiment. anyway, Paterno had the consultation and presence of one of the best DC lawfirms during the interview. and as someone who handled these types of civil suits, I can tell you he did not say anything problematic.

and the tide is slowly turning from the initial lynch mob mentality as it concerns paterno. there was yet another local article in the philly paper today softening its position on his “culpability” and clearly referencing HINDSIGHT.

[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:

[quote]UtahLama wrote:
Although I disagree with the tone of this article…whoever is letting Paterno talk to the media with civil suits still inevitable, should maybe re-think that strategy.

Wow. Anyone out there still believe he’s just “out of touch”?[/quote]

Wow. Anyone out there still believe he engaged in a “cover up”? As far as journalism goes, I’ll lean to this over some blog.

[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:

[quote]UtahLama wrote:
Although I disagree with the tone of this article…whoever is letting Paterno talk to the media with civil suits still inevitable, should maybe re-think that strategy.

you’re reaching pretty deep when you have to grasp to some random blog to support your sentiment. anyway, Paterno had the consultation and presence of one of the best DC lawfirms during the interview. and as someone who handled these types of civil suits, I can tell you he did not say anything problematic.

and the tide is slowly turning from the initial lynch mob mentality as it concerns paterno. there was yet another local article in the philly paper today softening its position on his “culpability” and clearly referencing HINDSIGHT. [/quote]

I would think that with litigation pending that he should probably say nothing on the chance that he would say something to sway a jury.

Also, Deadspin is a top 10 sports website in terms of hits…not exactly random…And Drew Magary writes for Deadspin, NBC, Maxim, Kissing Suzy Kolber, GQ and Penthouse. He also wrote a novel that made the New York Times bestseller list.

Again, I was merely pointing out that he only makes himself vulnerable to saying the wrong thing in ANY interview…you chose to degrade the messenger…in a very snotty way I might add.

[quote]UtahLama wrote:

[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:

[quote]UtahLama wrote:
Although I disagree with the tone of this article…whoever is letting Paterno talk to the media with civil suits still inevitable, should maybe re-think that strategy.

you’re reaching pretty deep when you have to grasp to some random blog to support your sentiment. anyway, Paterno had the consultation and presence of one of the best DC lawfirms during the interview. and as someone who handled these types of civil suits, I can tell you he did not say anything problematic.

and the tide is slowly turning from the initial lynch mob mentality as it concerns paterno. there was yet another local article in the philly paper today softening its position on his “culpability” and clearly referencing HINDSIGHT. [/quote]

I would think that with litigation pending that he should probably say nothing on the chance that he would say something to sway a jury.

Also, Deadspin is a top 10 sports website in terms of hits…not exactly random…And Drew Magary writes for Deadspin, NBC, Maxim, Kissing Suzy Kolber, GQ and Penthouse. He also wrote a novel that made the New York Times bestseller list.

Again, I was merely pointing out that he only makes himself vulnerable to saying the wrong thing in ANY interview…you chose to degrade the messenger…in a very snotty way I might add.
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whoa there. I didn’t “degrade” you in any manner. if you took offense, i apologize. anyway, I don’t care who he writes for; this crap is not “journalism”.

as for Paterno exposing himself, he was guided by counsel. and he owes PSU nothing at this point, even though he’s choosing to be loyal - speaks to his TRUE CHARACTER. absent criminal or gross negligence on his part (and it’s clear there is none) i don’t believe he has personal exposure in this matter at all. PSU will be funding the civil litigation.

[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:

[quote]UtahLama wrote:

[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:

[quote]UtahLama wrote:
Although I disagree with the tone of this article…whoever is letting Paterno talk to the media with civil suits still inevitable, should maybe re-think that strategy.

you’re reaching pretty deep when you have to grasp to some random blog to support your sentiment. anyway, Paterno had the consultation and presence of one of the best DC lawfirms during the interview. and as someone who handled these types of civil suits, I can tell you he did not say anything problematic.

and the tide is slowly turning from the initial lynch mob mentality as it concerns paterno. there was yet another local article in the philly paper today softening its position on his “culpability” and clearly referencing HINDSIGHT. [/quote]

I would think that with litigation pending that he should probably say nothing on the chance that he would say something to sway a jury.

Also, Deadspin is a top 10 sports website in terms of hits…not exactly random…And Drew Magary writes for Deadspin, NBC, Maxim, Kissing Suzy Kolber, GQ and Penthouse. He also wrote a novel that made the New York Times bestseller list.

Again, I was merely pointing out that he only makes himself vulnerable to saying the wrong thing in ANY interview…you chose to degrade the messenger…in a very snotty way I might add.
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whoa there. I didn’t “degrade” you in any manner. if you took offense, i apologize. anyway, I don’t care who he writes for; this crap is not “journalism”.

as for Paterno exposing himself, he was guided by counsel. and he owes PSU nothing at this point, even though he’s choosing to be loyal - speaks to his TRUE CHARACTER. absent criminal or gross negligence on his part (and it’s clear there is none) i don’t believe he has personal exposure in this matter at all. PSU will be funding the civil litigation.
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No offense taken.

You wrote -

“speaks to his TRUE CHARACTER. absent criminal or gross negligence on his part (and it’s clear there is none) i don’t believe he has personal exposure in this matter at all. PSU will be funding the civil litigation.”

This is all your personal opinion about Paterno…the one thing that you have been railing on folks in this thread is they dared to have a personal opinion that WAS DIFFERENT THAN YOURS.

And thusly they were fools who did not understand anything.

Just pointing out that we both have our OPINIONS and nothing more.

I know that he has retained counsel…but were they present at this interview advising him? When the gal (interviewer) was interviewed by ESPN…she never mentioned him having a lawyer present…I would think that would be a pertinent detail.

Have you read the transcript of his interview, I don’t know how you can say there is nothing damaging in there…a jury would have to form some opinion of Paterno from that (a dottering old codger comes to mind)…and that is good, how?

Also, if Paterno is named in the civil suit…why would Penn State fund it? Just curious.

I also would like to reiterate that I never, at any time said or believed that there was a cover up at Penn State.

[quote]UtahLama wrote:

[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:

[quote]UtahLama wrote:

[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:

[quote]UtahLama wrote:
Although I disagree with the tone of this article…whoever is letting Paterno talk to the media with civil suits still inevitable, should maybe re-think that strategy.

you’re reaching pretty deep when you have to grasp to some random blog to support your sentiment. anyway, Paterno had the consultation and presence of one of the best DC lawfirms during the interview. and as someone who handled these types of civil suits, I can tell you he did not say anything problematic.

and the tide is slowly turning from the initial lynch mob mentality as it concerns paterno. there was yet another local article in the philly paper today softening its position on his “culpability” and clearly referencing HINDSIGHT. [/quote]

I would think that with litigation pending that he should probably say nothing on the chance that he would say something to sway a jury.

Also, Deadspin is a top 10 sports website in terms of hits…not exactly random…And Drew Magary writes for Deadspin, NBC, Maxim, Kissing Suzy Kolber, GQ and Penthouse. He also wrote a novel that made the New York Times bestseller list.

Again, I was merely pointing out that he only makes himself vulnerable to saying the wrong thing in ANY interview…you chose to degrade the messenger…in a very snotty way I might add.
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whoa there. I didn’t “degrade” you in any manner. if you took offense, i apologize. anyway, I don’t care who he writes for; this crap is not “journalism”.

as for Paterno exposing himself, he was guided by counsel. and he owes PSU nothing at this point, even though he’s choosing to be loyal - speaks to his TRUE CHARACTER. absent criminal or gross negligence on his part (and it’s clear there is none) i don’t believe he has personal exposure in this matter at all. PSU will be funding the civil litigation.
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No offense taken.

You wrote -

“speaks to his TRUE CHARACTER. absent criminal or gross negligence on his part (and it’s clear there is none) i don’t believe he has personal exposure in this matter at all. PSU will be funding the civil litigation.”

This is all your personal opinion about Paterno…the one thing that you have been railing on folks in this thread is they dared to have a personal opinion that WAS DIFFERENT THAN YOURS.

And thusly they were fools who did not understand anything.

Just pointing out that we both have our OPINIONS and nothing more.

I know that he has retained counsel…but were they present at this interview advising him? When the gal (interviewer) was interviewed by ESPN…she never mentioned him having a lawyer present…I would think that would be a pertinent detail.

Have you read the transcript of his interview, I don’t know how you can say there is nothing damaging in there…a jury would have to form some opinion of Paterno from that (a dottering old codger comes to mind)…and that is good, how?

Also, if Paterno is named in the civil suit…why would Penn State fund it? Just curious.

I also would like to reiterate that I never, at any time said or believed that there was a cover up at Penn State.[/quote]

PSU would fund the defense (and likely any settlement or verdict) b/c Paterno was an employee of the University at the time of any of his alleged negligence, and he was in the course and scope of his employment when any alleged negligence occurred. He did not act criminally (he was cleared of any criminal wrongdoing), and he did not act intentionally, wantonly, etc., e.g., “gross negligence” (to allege any such conduct is not supported by the Grand Jury proceedings). Short and simple - he’s an employee and it’s a work related matter. At all times he’s acting within the course and scope of his employment on behalf of the University.

I don’t know if counsel was or wasn’t present at the interview. He retained counsel, so I’d find it hard to believe they were not present but that’s neither here nor there. I’ve read most of the interview but probably not all of it. I didn’t see anything problematic and even if there were, it would be problematic for the University and its insurers - not Paterno. And since they unceremoniously cut him loose, he owes them nothing and since he’s no longer an employee, they cannot control him. That’s the chance they took when they cut him loose the way they did. Even still, he has not spit any venom in their direction.

As for opinions, fair enough. However, the concepts of “judgement with the benefit of hindsight” and not having the full factual record were DEFINITELY lost on a few that posted here. My “opinion” is gaining traction. The new University President is already talking about honoring Paterno at an appropriate time and there are whispers about sweetening his retirement.

My opinion is pretty simple (and we now have more information than when this started).

It is undisputed that:

McQueary did not give him the full story or details of what he ALLEGES (still contested) he saw;
Paterno took action on this information within 48 hours reporting it to his superiors;
Paterno absolutely had a reasonable expectation that his superiors would handle it appropriately, absent any indication otherwise;
There is no allegation that Paterno was informed or in the loop after he reported the incident;
There is no allegation that Paterno was ever later made aware that Sandusky was fucking little boys in the shower; and,
There is no allegation or indication that Paterno engaged in any “cover-up” or otherwise consulted with the other administrators relative to their alleged inaction.

Oh, and he certainly did not “run the place”.