WTF Penn State?!?!?!

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[quote]KrohDaddi wrote:
i think the significant thing is that he continued to transact in multi-million dollar exchanges with the organisations involved and never broke his cover (or did he?)
he took their contributions because they offered them and they would have been suspicious if the former attorney general said ‘your money is too dirty for me’
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In the article you will see that another AG stated that you get these guys off the street asap, you don’t wait three years. There were two other reported cases of abuse in that time. There was no cover needed. the guy did what was convenient to him at the time and now tried to slough it off on Paterno.

Why give a prosecution witness such a hard time? Why did the state AG’s office say his firing was troubling? there are many people who were in position to get Sandisky off the street and did not do their job. Paterno reported the incident that he was told about. He could not do more.

Corbett could have as could have Curley, Spanier, Schultz, the former DA, and Gricar. but he gets the heat because he’s the biggest name.

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[quote]KrohDaddi wrote:
i think the significant thing is that he continued to transact in multi-million dollar exchanges with the organisations involved and never broke his cover (or did he?)
he took their contributions because they offered them and they would have been suspicious if the former attorney general said ‘your money is too dirty for me’
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BTW, that is his excuse. Others have debunked it who look at it differently such as another AG who has prosecuted many child sex abuse cases. Geting the pedophile off the street so they don’t do it again is rule number one.

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By the way the student judicial affairs had the reputation as a kangaroo court. There has been friction between not just the football player discipline thing, but other students have had very good complaints about how they run their business.

It’s been pointed out multiple times on the PSU scout football board over the years that most students never even go in front of JA for various crimes such as DUI and non felony criminal offenses. Paterno suspended or punished players for various incidents. Tripony wanted to do it. Most students that weren’t football players never got punished through that route.

924

[quote]tom63 wrote:

[quote]KrohDaddi wrote:
i think the significant thing is that he continued to transact in multi-million dollar exchanges with the organisations involved and never broke his cover (or did he?)
he took their contributions because they offered them and they would have been suspicious if the former attorney general said ‘your money is too dirty for me’
[/quote]

In the article you will see that another AG stated that you get these guys off the street asap, you don’t wait three years. There were two other reported cases of abuse in that time. There was no cover needed. the guy did what was convenient to him at the time and now tried to slough it off on Paterno.

Why give a prosecution witness such a hard time? Why did the state AG’s office say his firing was troubling? there are many people who were in position to get Sandisky off the street and did not do their job. Paterno reported the incident that he was told about. He could not do more.

Corbett could have as could have Curley, Spanier, Schultz, the former DA, and Gricar. but he gets the heat because he’s the biggest name.[/quote]

maybe but that is easy to say afterwards
big investigations take 1-3 years and more crimes are always committed during that time but this is the reality of breaking a conspiracy
the alternative is that you do nothing

the trend of these arguments presented here seems to be that everyone is dirty to some extent and it would be unfair if anyone were punished for anything so nothing should be done about anything unless you are accidentally more harsh with someone than someone else who got away with something somewhere at some other time

which is why we end up with the simplified nugget of behaviour displayed in the school of the victim, where the bullies determined that the simplest solution to the problem is to cast out the victim and leave everyone else be

925

[quote]KrohDaddi wrote:

[quote]tom63 wrote:

[quote]KrohDaddi wrote:
i think the significant thing is that he continued to transact in multi-million dollar exchanges with the organisations involved and never broke his cover (or did he?)
he took their contributions because they offered them and they would have been suspicious if the former attorney general said ‘your money is too dirty for me’
[/quote]

In the article you will see that another AG stated that you get these guys off the street asap, you don’t wait three years. There were two other reported cases of abuse in that time. There was no cover needed. the guy did what was convenient to him at the time and now tried to slough it off on Paterno.

Why give a prosecution witness such a hard time? Why did the state AG’s office say his firing was troubling? there are many people who were in position to get Sandisky off the street and did not do their job. Paterno reported the incident that he was told about. He could not do more.

Corbett could have as could have Curley, Spanier, Schultz, the former DA, and Gricar. but he gets the heat because he’s the biggest name.[/quote]

maybe but that is easy to say afterwards
big investigations take 1-3 years and more crimes are always committed during that time but this is the reality of breaking a conspiracy
the alternative is that you do nothing

the trend of these arguments presented here seems to be that everyone is dirty to some extent and it would be unfair if anyone were punished for anything so nothing should be done about anything unless you are accidentally more harsh with someone than someone else who got away with something somewhere at some other time

which is why we end up with the simplified nugget of behaviour displayed in the school of the victim, where the bullies determined that the simplest solution to the problem is to cast out the victim and leave everyone else be
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Ugh, no. Paterno was cast as the villain and did report the incident. There are other investigators of similar things and they disagreed about how this has been handled. You have a complaint and some testimony, you arrest him. This isn’t a drug dealer getting arrested and you’re trying to bring down the whole cartel. You get him off the street. the PSU administrators dropped the ball. The now dead DA Gricar, dropped the ball by failing to prosecute in 1998. so when things blew up, everyone rushed to blame Paterno who fully cooperated with the grand jury , was praised for his testimony, and will be a prosecution witness.

It was then that the head of the Pa State police made his "moral " comment on whether Paterno did enough. this was when he had full knowledge of Sandusky being investigated for at least two years. They did what Paterno did exccept for doing their entire job. Paterno told who he was supposed to. If it’s the you should have done more school fo thought, they were the ones with arrest powers.

There will be political fallout over this yet.

And kids can be assholes. That’s nothing new.

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[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:

[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:

[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:

You do realize that quite a few of those that graduated wouldn’t have been allowed to do so if the appropriate disciplinary action had been taken, right?
[/quote]

Yes, but that doesn’t change the basic analysis. And the same can be said for any university with a major sports program. As I’ve already taken pains to illustrate, most student-athletes receive preferential treatment. It’s a fact.

However, even accounting for the few bad apples that received preferential treatment (and were presumably allowed to graduate - and that is an assumption to start), it’s very unlikely there were large enough numbers of players given a “pass” that still graduated to skew the superior numbers reported by PSU (and remembering, this is truly apples to apples, b/c all major programs engage in favoritism). PSU still rates out much higher than the 69% or so average graduation rate reported by the NCAA.

http://www.gopsusports.com/sports/m-footbl/spec-rel/110211aaa.html

Keep in mind you have in excess of 85 players on the team and that a few bad apples, no matter what the outcome of any discipline is, are not going to skew the percentage THAT much.

Keep in mind that Paterno is famous for making his athletes go to class and keep grades or face his punishment.

At the end of the day, they were not “like the rest” in terms of graduation rates. 87% is so far superior to 69% (18 percentage points) that it is very unlikely to be explained by some rowdies getting a “free pass”. [/quote]

You didn’t need to go through a “pain staking” process about preferential treatment towards athletes as o had already mentioned it several posts before.

And, I don’t care if Paterno is “famous for making his athletes go to class”. He’s becoming infamous for turning a blind eye to what really matters. Having a skewed stat that reflects kindly on your program to hide what’s really going on is lipstick on a pig. I don’t care how dolled up it is.
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how is the stat skewed?

what did he turn a blind eye to? he reported the conduct. want to revisit the entire “what we don’t know” argument?

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[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:

[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:

[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:

[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:

You do realize that quite a few of those that graduated wouldn’t have been allowed to do so if the appropriate disciplinary action had been taken, right?
[/quote]

Yes, but that doesn’t change the basic analysis. And the same can be said for any university with a major sports program. As I’ve already taken pains to illustrate, most student-athletes receive preferential treatment. It’s a fact.

However, even accounting for the few bad apples that received preferential treatment (and were presumably allowed to graduate - and that is an assumption to start), it’s very unlikely there were large enough numbers of players given a “pass” that still graduated to skew the superior numbers reported by PSU (and remembering, this is truly apples to apples, b/c all major programs engage in favoritism). PSU still rates out much higher than the 69% or so average graduation rate reported by the NCAA.

http://www.gopsusports.com/sports/m-footbl/spec-rel/110211aaa.html

Keep in mind you have in excess of 85 players on the team and that a few bad apples, no matter what the outcome of any discipline is, are not going to skew the percentage THAT much.

Keep in mind that Paterno is famous for making his athletes go to class and keep grades or face his punishment.

At the end of the day, they were not “like the rest” in terms of graduation rates. 87% is so far superior to 69% (18 percentage points) that it is very unlikely to be explained by some rowdies getting a “free pass”. [/quote]

You didn’t need to go through a “pain staking” process about preferential treatment towards athletes as o had already mentioned it several posts before.

And, I don’t care if Paterno is “famous for making his athletes go to class”. He’s becoming infamous for turning a blind eye to what really matters. Having a skewed stat that reflects kindly on your program to hide what’s really going on is lipstick on a pig. I don’t care how dolled up it is.
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how is the stat skewed?

what did he turn a blind eye to? he reported the conduct. want to revisit the entire “what we don’t know” argument?
[/quote]

Please sweet jeebus no.

We all disagree about certain things…no need to take 4 pages to re-hash.

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[quote]UtahLama wrote:

[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:

[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:

[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:

[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:

You do realize that quite a few of those that graduated wouldn’t have been allowed to do so if the appropriate disciplinary action had been taken, right?
[/quote]

Yes, but that doesn’t change the basic analysis. And the same can be said for any university with a major sports program. As I’ve already taken pains to illustrate, most student-athletes receive preferential treatment. It’s a fact.

However, even accounting for the few bad apples that received preferential treatment (and were presumably allowed to graduate - and that is an assumption to start), it’s very unlikely there were large enough numbers of players given a “pass” that still graduated to skew the superior numbers reported by PSU (and remembering, this is truly apples to apples, b/c all major programs engage in favoritism). PSU still rates out much higher than the 69% or so average graduation rate reported by the NCAA.

http://www.gopsusports.com/sports/m-footbl/spec-rel/110211aaa.html

Keep in mind you have in excess of 85 players on the team and that a few bad apples, no matter what the outcome of any discipline is, are not going to skew the percentage THAT much.

Keep in mind that Paterno is famous for making his athletes go to class and keep grades or face his punishment.

At the end of the day, they were not “like the rest” in terms of graduation rates. 87% is so far superior to 69% (18 percentage points) that it is very unlikely to be explained by some rowdies getting a “free pass”. [/quote]

You didn’t need to go through a “pain staking” process about preferential treatment towards athletes as o had already mentioned it several posts before.

And, I don’t care if Paterno is “famous for making his athletes go to class”. He’s becoming infamous for turning a blind eye to what really matters. Having a skewed stat that reflects kindly on your program to hide what’s really going on is lipstick on a pig. I don’t care how dolled up it is.
[/quote]

how is the stat skewed?

what did he turn a blind eye to? he reported the conduct. want to revisit the entire “what we don’t know” argument?
[/quote]

Please sweet jeebus no.

We all disagree about certain things…no need to take 4 pages to re-hash.
[/quote]

ask HIM then why he keeps raising arguments that have already been addressed, therefore inviting repetitious rebuttal.

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a lot of energy is being expended trying to make this seem like a hopelessly complicated thing when it ain’t

930

[quote]tom63 wrote:
Paterno reported the incident that he was told about. He could not do more.[quote]

Bullshit. He didn’t want to do more.

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[quote]KrohDaddi wrote:
a lot of energy is being expended trying to make this seem like a hopelessly complicated thing when it ain’t[/quote]

I’m not sure you realize this, but no one is paying any attention to your crazy ass.

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maybe the players (why not just everyone who ever went to Penn state?) should get a lawyer who is really interested in this issue and sue because their degrees are going to be looked at suspiciously for the rest of their working lives

but quickly, before the rape victims hog up all the attention and settlement money

just because no one is talking about them any more doesn’t mean they just went away
they’ll be back trying to compare being anally raped with sitting out a year of college football and expecting people to pay attention long after everyone’s patience for hearing about this case is exhausted

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i didnt bother to read the thread so if someone could just fill me in…what happened at Penn State?

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[quote]KrohDaddi wrote:
maybe the players (why not just everyone who ever went to Penn state?) should get a lawyer who is really interested in this issue and sue because their degrees are going to be looked at suspiciously for the rest of their working lives

but quickly, before the rape victims hog up all the attention and settlement money

just because no one is talking about them any more doesn’t mean they just went away
they’ll be back trying to compare being anally raped with sitting out a year of college football and expecting people to pay attention long after everyone’s patience for hearing about this case is exhausted[/quote]

Man, seriously…quit talking.

You are making my head numb.

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[quote]dshroy wrote:
i didnt bother to read the thread so if someone could just fill me in…what happened at Penn State?[/quote]

LOL.

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[quote]KrohDaddi wrote:
maybe the players (why not just everyone who ever went to Penn state?) should get a lawyer who is really interested in this issue and sue because their degrees are going to be looked at suspiciously for the rest of their working lives

but quickly, before the rape victims hog up all the attention and settlement money

just because no one is talking about them any more doesn’t mean they just went away
they’ll be back trying to compare being anally raped with sitting out a year of college football and expecting people to pay attention long after everyone’s patience for hearing about this case is exhausted[/quote]

Dude…you’re so interesting.

Please post more…please

Start an interview thread

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[quote]pushharder wrote:

[quote]Ct. Rockula wrote:

Dude…you’re so interesting.

Please post more…please

Start an interview thread

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With himself!
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No man

He needs to interview RV. Or the two of them could do a radio talkshow

940

[quote]Sweet Revenge wrote:

[quote]tom63 wrote:
Paterno reported the incident that he was told about. He could not do more.[quote]

Bullshit. He didn’t want to do more.[/quote]

Ok, so explain what he should have done in detail according to the laws and including employment rules in regards to retirement packages and retirees and police reporting procedures. As in when you didn’t witness the crime, how do you exactly report it? And also fill us in on the entire grand jury testimony of Paterno, Curley, McQueary, and Schultz. And any conversations with Graham Spanier.