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[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:

[quote]Tex Ag wrote:

[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:

[quote]tom63 wrote:
Still waiting on the moral outrage and ridiculous speculation about espn( who received information back in 2003 snout child molestation and did not alert the police), what did Jim Boheim know, what kind of investigation did syracuse conduct in 2005?

My answer is we need to get some facts. I expect those who think they could read between the lines or just guess well is to be just as goofy here.

Espn has approximately 200 graduates from Syracuse, one if the two top schools in broadcast journalism. Let’s see if the handle it the same way , or if we seem some prudence in their reporting .[/quote]

I have your answer.

There is no icon over at Syracuse to push off a pedestal. We prop them up there, and are only too happy and eager to push them off b/c it makes most people feel better about the utter mediocrity (or worse) of their own lives. [/quote]

Syracuse is a major basketball town, Coach Behime (sp?) Has god status. When a player was kicked out of school for punching a female student because she ask him to get off her car, the punishment to the player turned into missing a couple of practices. Coach B was vocal in that nothing should be done in the situation because someone’s life should not derailed because of one incident. Remember the player punch a female student. [/quote]

Don’t you work or didn’t you work at a University? Are you kidding me with this “god” status? Coaches are as good as their record. Coaches (Gods as you refer to them) get fired all the time, even the icons. To take this “god” position is not only fallacious, it’s illogical and nonsensical.

And I don’t know about the incident but I do wholly agree that a young life should not be derailed over an incident or poor judgment. This culture of “zero tolerance” and the like is out of hand.

For the last time, this “god” thing is nonsensical. We’re talking a tenured member of the faculty here. Professor Emiritus. Joe can’t off and “fire” him even if he had the information you guys are imagining him to have. For crying out loud, his own players have run afoul with the law in the last decade and Joe couldn’t save them either. A few years ago, when he was LOSING, his job was on the line - like every other “god” coach who starts to lose.

Do student/athletes get some protection or preferential treatment at certain universities? You betcha. But what the hell does that have to do with the Penn State case? And are you comparing the reputations of Boheim to Paterno? Really?[/quote]

I am saying that in the Syracuse area and at the University in particular Boheim has been able to change and manipulate situations so that his players benefit and Boheim’s reputation is teflon even and especially when the players actions are in direct violation of the schools code of conduct and/or against the law. Is he ultimately untouchable, no. But his word goes unquestioned even when it is obvious that it should be.

You know, I’ve learned this by living in the area and not by making judgment hundreds miles away. And I am quite familiar with power coaches can have, I am from Texas where football is a sport of the gods.

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[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:

[quote]gregron wrote:
LOL @ “I shall not engage you as long as you are using this tactic” and then scouring through 33 pages to pick out my quotes and address them one by one.

And you say I’m the “dick rider” and “hater”? LOLOLOL

You’re a funny guy BG. At least you managed to keep the insults and patronization to a minimum.[/quote]

let me know when you have an actual cogent point you can make. do you have one? or do you just get your jollies by nitpicking and bickering?

going through 15 or so pages was the ONLY way to shut you up. your tactic is to cherry pick shit from pages ago, and then count on everyone’s short memory and the person’s not wanting to be bothered with going back thru pages of your drivel and quoting it back to set the record straight.

now that we got that out of the way…i double fucking dare you to actually express a point or counterpoint. do it in a single paragraph. do it without relying on anything i said.

the only thing funny is someone with no grasp of logic or debate trying to argue a point. you’re not even arguing a point. you’re bickering. you confuse bickering with actually making a point.

i won’t hold my breath. [/quote]

LOL

Nitpicking and bickering is what you’ve been trying to drag me into for a few pages now (along with patronizing condescending posts and attempts to insult)

You go through the whole thread to read everyone of my posts “cause it’s the only way to shut me up”… Sounds a lot like what you yourself call “dick riding” and “hating”… You’re the pot and the kettle.

Tactic? I’m not using any tactic against you… You don’t need to have such a negative outlook on life… Lighten up a bit. From the beginning of our exchange in this thread it was a simple statement that you questioned. I could care less how many times after that you ‘clarified’ (more like changed) your point. From the beginning I’ve addressed one single posts. You’re bringing all this other stuff into it… LOL @ Tactic.

My point was/is from the beginning of our exchange that “the words ‘boy’ ‘man’ ‘shower’ & ‘inappropriate’ were told to joe paterno.” (which they were)

Go ahead and drag other posts, “clarifications”, insults and attempts at condescending/patronizing statements into your response like you always do when you get frustrated. It hasnt worked so far but that’s your go to move (or tactic) so maybe it’ll work this time and you’ll get to me like you’re trying to do. Next thing you’ll be daring me to meet you in person and tell you to your face that I think those words were told to Joe Pa. LOL

If you actually responded without doing any of the above I would be shocked… “But I won’t hold my breath”

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[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:
BG, I get you’re point. In fact, I got it the first time you made it. But, you’re so intent on talking at people instead of with them and “hearing yourself talk” that it’s impossible to have an intelligent debate with you. You just repeat yourself ad nauseum and talk down to anyone that doesn’t agree with you. You can respond to this in any fashion you like. I’m done arguing with you.[/quote]

you keep trying to make the same fallacious point repeatedly though. if you didn’t, i wouldn’t have to repeat mine. for every repetitious post of mine, it followed a repetitious train of thought by you…or can’t you see that?

anyway, i’m not trying to talk down to you. at the end of the day, i’m the guy that would be getting this case at the insurance company if we insured penn state. me. i realize that the cold, dispassionate analysis of something so fucking horrifying is not what you do every day. i did that for 23 years. analyzed horrifying shit. and i’d have to evaluate who was culpable and for how much.

and believe me, i couldn’t go to my superiors and say, “i need x amount of settlement authority”. “why?” they would say. “because joe should have done MOAR!” I’d retort. “based on what?” would be their reply…and so forth. i could not get a penny of settlement authority based upon what is known NOW.

i’m being facetious to a point, but only to illustrate the folly of anyone attempting to judge Joe NOW.

you are entitled to your opinion…but when you express it as a conclusion, as you and others have, it’s an invitation for debate. and you have not debated…you have just continued to contort your original position, without offering any rebuttal to the simple logic that i have set forth over and over again…ad naseum as you have said. if you get my point, then why do you retort with a continuation of your original opinion without removing not one brick from the logical house i have built?

yes, we can be done. it hasn’t been much of an “argument” though.

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[quote]gregron wrote:

[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:

[quote]gregron wrote:
LOL @ “I shall not engage you as long as you are using this tactic” and then scouring through 33 pages to pick out my quotes and address them one by one.

And you say I’m the “dick rider” and “hater”? LOLOLOL

You’re a funny guy BG. At least you managed to keep the insults and patronization to a minimum.[/quote]

let me know when you have an actual cogent point you can make. do you have one? or do you just get your jollies by nitpicking and bickering?

going through 15 or so pages was the ONLY way to shut you up. your tactic is to cherry pick shit from pages ago, and then count on everyone’s short memory and the person’s not wanting to be bothered with going back thru pages of your drivel and quoting it back to set the record straight.

now that we got that out of the way…i double fucking dare you to actually express a point or counterpoint. do it in a single paragraph. do it without relying on anything i said.

the only thing funny is someone with no grasp of logic or debate trying to argue a point. you’re not even arguing a point. you’re bickering. you confuse bickering with actually making a point.

i won’t hold my breath. [/quote]

LOL

Nitpicking and bickering is what you’ve been trying to drag me into for a few pages now (along with patronizing condescending posts and attempts to insult)

You go through the whole thread to read everyone of my posts “cause it’s the only way to shut me up”… Sounds a lot like what you yourself call “dick riding” and “hating”… You’re the pot and the kettle.

Tactic? I’m not using any tactic against you… You don’t need to have such a negative outlook on life… Lighten up a bit. From the beginning of our exchange in this thread it was a simple statement that you questioned. I could care less how many times after that you ‘clarified’ (more like changed) your point. From the beginning I’ve addressed one single posts. You’re bringing all this other stuff into it… LOL @ Tactic.

My point was/is from the beginning of our exchange that “the words ‘boy’ ‘man’ ‘shower’ & ‘inappropriate’ were told to joe paterno.” (which they were)

Go ahead and drag other posts, “clarifications”, insults and attempts at condescending/patronizing statements into your response like you always do when you get frustrated. It hasnt worked so far but that’s your go to move (or tactic) so maybe it’ll work this time and you’ll get to me like you’re trying to do. Next thing you’ll be daring me to meet you in person and tell you to your face that I think those words were told to Joe Pa. LOL

If you actually responded without doing any of the above I would be shocked… “But I won’t hold my breath”[/quote]

do you want me to post all “your points” again? i already did it once. and i’ll continue to rebut your now sanitized point by saying we have a grand jury summary, not the testimony. but if you want a concession that “man”, “boy” “shower” and “inappropriate” may have been reported to joe, take your cookie and run along and eat it. how this is your original point (it is not as evidenced by all the posts i quoted from you) is beyond my imagination b/c it does nothing to rebut my simple logical position.

you are over matched. maybe you should go plank.

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oh Greg…are you going to call me a bully next? LOL

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You have a very good point. I just won’t judge a guy until I have all the info. I’ll say now it doesn’t look good . S former player of his heading the Syracuse police investigation of this? It should raise questions . And they will be questioned .

[quote]Tex Ag wrote:

[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:

[quote]Tex Ag wrote:

[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:

[quote]tom63 wrote:
Still waiting on the moral outrage and ridiculous speculation about espn( who received information back in 2003 snout child molestation and did not alert the police), what did Jim Boheim know, what kind of investigation did syracuse conduct in 2005?

My answer is we need to get some facts. I expect those who think they could read between the lines or just guess well is to be just as goofy here.

Espn has approximately 200 graduates from Syracuse, one if the two top schools in broadcast journalism. Let’s see if the handle it the same way , or if we seem some prudence in their reporting .[/quote]

I have your answer.

There is no icon over at Syracuse to push off a pedestal. We prop them up there, and are only too happy and eager to push them off b/c it makes most people feel better about the utter mediocrity (or worse) of their own lives. [/quote]

Syracuse is a major basketball town, Coach Behime (sp?) Has god status. When a player was kicked out of school for punching a female student because she ask him to get off her car, the punishment to the player turned into missing a couple of practices. Coach B was vocal in that nothing should be done in the situation because someone’s life should not derailed because of one incident. Remember the player punch a female student. [/quote]

Don’t you work or didn’t you work at a University? Are you kidding me with this “god” status? Coaches are as good as their record. Coaches (Gods as you refer to them) get fired all the time, even the icons. To take this “god” position is not only fallacious, it’s illogical and nonsensical.

And I don’t know about the incident but I do wholly agree that a young life should not be derailed over an incident or poor judgment. This culture of “zero tolerance” and the like is out of hand.

For the last time, this “god” thing is nonsensical. We’re talking a tenured member of the faculty here. Professor Emiritus. Joe can’t off and “fire” him even if he had the information you guys are imagining him to have. For crying out loud, his own players have run afoul with the law in the last decade and Joe couldn’t save them either. A few years ago, when he was LOSING, his job was on the line - like every other “god” coach who starts to lose.

Do student/athletes get some protection or preferential treatment at certain universities? You betcha. But what the hell does that have to do with the Penn State case? And are you comparing the reputations of Boheim to Paterno? Really?[/quote]

I am saying that in the Syracuse area and at the University in particular Boheim has been able to change and manipulate situations so that his players benefit and Boheim’s reputation is teflon even and especially when the players actions are in direct violation of the schools code of conduct and/or against the law. Is he ultimately untouchable, no. But his word goes unquestioned even when it is obvious that it should be.

You know, I’ve learned this by living in the area and not by making judgment hundreds miles away. And I am quite familiar with power coaches can have, I am from Texas where football is a sport of the gods.[/quote]

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I actually know very little about this, I just wanted to point out Boheim is about protecting the program and so that should be understood when he makes his comments. The player who punched the female student had already had behavioral and academic problems so the incident was not isolated.

[quote]tom63 wrote:
You have a very good point. I just won’t judge a guy until I have all the info. I’ll say now it doesn’t look good . S former player of his heading the Syracuse police investigation of this? It should raise questions . And they will be questioned .

[quote]Tex Ag wrote:

[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:

[quote]Tex Ag wrote:

[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:

[quote]tom63 wrote:
Still waiting on the moral outrage and ridiculous speculation about espn( who received information back in 2003 snout child molestation and did not alert the police), what did Jim Boheim know, what kind of investigation did syracuse conduct in 2005?

My answer is we need to get some facts. I expect those who think they could read between the lines or just guess well is to be just as goofy here.

Espn has approximately 200 graduates from Syracuse, one if the two top schools in broadcast journalism. Let’s see if the handle it the same way , or if we seem some prudence in their reporting .[/quote]

I have your answer.

There is no icon over at Syracuse to push off a pedestal. We prop them up there, and are only too happy and eager to push them off b/c it makes most people feel better about the utter mediocrity (or worse) of their own lives. [/quote]

Syracuse is a major basketball town, Coach Behime (sp?) Has god status. When a player was kicked out of school for punching a female student because she ask him to get off her car, the punishment to the player turned into missing a couple of practices. Coach B was vocal in that nothing should be done in the situation because someone’s life should not derailed because of one incident. Remember the player punch a female student. [/quote]

Don’t you work or didn’t you work at a University? Are you kidding me with this “god” status? Coaches are as good as their record. Coaches (Gods as you refer to them) get fired all the time, even the icons. To take this “god” position is not only fallacious, it’s illogical and nonsensical.

And I don’t know about the incident but I do wholly agree that a young life should not be derailed over an incident or poor judgment. This culture of “zero tolerance” and the like is out of hand.

For the last time, this “god” thing is nonsensical. We’re talking a tenured member of the faculty here. Professor Emiritus. Joe can’t off and “fire” him even if he had the information you guys are imagining him to have. For crying out loud, his own players have run afoul with the law in the last decade and Joe couldn’t save them either. A few years ago, when he was LOSING, his job was on the line - like every other “god” coach who starts to lose.

Do student/athletes get some protection or preferential treatment at certain universities? You betcha. But what the hell does that have to do with the Penn State case? And are you comparing the reputations of Boheim to Paterno? Really?[/quote]

I am saying that in the Syracuse area and at the University in particular Boheim has been able to change and manipulate situations so that his players benefit and Boheim’s reputation is teflon even and especially when the players actions are in direct violation of the schools code of conduct and/or against the law. Is he ultimately untouchable, no. But his word goes unquestioned even when it is obvious that it should be.

You know, I’ve learned this by living in the area and not by making judgment hundreds miles away. And I am quite familiar with power coaches can have, I am from Texas where football is a sport of the gods.[/quote]
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[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:

[quote]gregron wrote:
Go ahead and drag other posts, “clarifications”, insults and attempts at condescending/patronizing statements into your response like you always do when you get frustrated. It hasnt worked so far but that’s your go to move (or tactic) so maybe it’ll work this time and you’ll get to me like you’re trying to do. Next thing you’ll be daring me to meet you in person and tell you to your face that I think those words were told to Joe Pa. LOL

If you actually responded without doing any of the above I would be shocked… “But I won’t hold my breath”[/quote]

do you want me to post all “your points” again? i already did it once. and i’ll continue to rebut your now sanitized point by saying we have a grand jury summary, not the testimony. but if you want a concession that “man”, “boy” “shower” and “inappropriate” may have been reported to joe, take your cookie and run along and eat it. how this is your original point (it is not as evidenced by all the posts i quoted from you) is beyond my imagination b/c it does nothing to rebut my simple logical position.

you are over matched. maybe you should go plank.
[/quote]

glad I didnt hold my breath. Typical BG

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[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:
oh Greg…are you going to call me a bully next? LOL[/quote]

A bully? I dont know about that since this is the internet and its just words from a faceless poster. In real life? Since I’ve never meet you I really couldn’t say.

If I was asked to describe what I thought you were the world “bully” more than likely would not make it into my description.

From the tone and nature of most of your posts I would say you just seem like a bitter cynical old man (well not really that old, I think you’re only in your 40’s?)

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I understand . I’m not a huge fan of his but won’t vilify him publicly until I get all the facts. I’ve defended Paterno because I went to the school and know a lot about Paterno. I’ve seen how he has handled things, conducted himself, donated time and money to the school and other charities.

I base my judgement on his past acts. If he’s proven responsible for a cover up I’ll be the first to speak against him.

I don’t know Boheim and don’t give a crap about NCAA basketball. But we’ll see the facts in due time.

[quote]Tex Ag wrote:
I actually know very little about this, I just wanted to point out Boheim is about protecting the program and so that should be understood when he makes his comments. The player who punched the female student had already had behavioral and academic problems so the incident was not isolated.

[quote]tom63 wrote:
You have a very good point. I just won’t judge a guy until I have all the info. I’ll say now it doesn’t look good . S former player of his heading the Syracuse police investigation of this? It should raise questions . And they will be questioned .

[quote]Tex Ag wrote:

[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:

[quote]Tex Ag wrote:

[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:

[quote]tom63 wrote:
Still waiting on the moral outrage and ridiculous speculation about espn( who received information back in 2003 snout child molestation and did not alert the police), what did Jim Boheim know, what kind of investigation did syracuse conduct in 2005?

My answer is we need to get some facts. I expect those who think they could read between the lines or just guess well is to be just as goofy here.

Espn has approximately 200 graduates from Syracuse, one if the two top schools in broadcast journalism. Let’s see if the handle it the same way , or if we seem some prudence in their reporting .[/quote]

I have your answer.

There is no icon over at Syracuse to push off a pedestal. We prop them up there, and are only too happy and eager to push them off b/c it makes most people feel better about the utter mediocrity (or worse) of their own lives. [/quote]

Syracuse is a major basketball town, Coach Behime (sp?) Has god status. When a player was kicked out of school for punching a female student because she ask him to get off her car, the punishment to the player turned into missing a couple of practices. Coach B was vocal in that nothing should be done in the situation because someone’s life should not derailed because of one incident. Remember the player punch a female student. [/quote]

Don’t you work or didn’t you work at a University? Are you kidding me with this “god” status? Coaches are as good as their record. Coaches (Gods as you refer to them) get fired all the time, even the icons. To take this “god” position is not only fallacious, it’s illogical and nonsensical.

And I don’t know about the incident but I do wholly agree that a young life should not be derailed over an incident or poor judgment. This culture of “zero tolerance” and the like is out of hand.

For the last time, this “god” thing is nonsensical. We’re talking a tenured member of the faculty here. Professor Emiritus. Joe can’t off and “fire” him even if he had the information you guys are imagining him to have. For crying out loud, his own players have run afoul with the law in the last decade and Joe couldn’t save them either. A few years ago, when he was LOSING, his job was on the line - like every other “god” coach who starts to lose.

Do student/athletes get some protection or preferential treatment at certain universities? You betcha. But what the hell does that have to do with the Penn State case? And are you comparing the reputations of Boheim to Paterno? Really?[/quote]

I am saying that in the Syracuse area and at the University in particular Boheim has been able to change and manipulate situations so that his players benefit and Boheim’s reputation is teflon even and especially when the players actions are in direct violation of the schools code of conduct and/or against the law. Is he ultimately untouchable, no. But his word goes unquestioned even when it is obvious that it should be.

You know, I’ve learned this by living in the area and not by making judgment hundreds miles away. And I am quite familiar with power coaches can have, I am from Texas where football is a sport of the gods.[/quote]
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[quote]gregron wrote:

[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:
oh Greg…are you going to call me a bully next? LOL[/quote]

A bully? I dont know about that since this is the internet and its just words from a faceless poster. In real life? Since I’ve never meet you I really couldn’t say.

If I was asked to describe what I thought you were the world “bully” more than likely would not make it into my description.

From the tone and nature of most of your posts I would say you just seem like a bitter cynical old man (well not really that old, I think you’re only in your 40’s?) [/quote]

Nope. He’s just a smart guy with some serious experience in certain matters. When you get in your forties you just have less patience for nonsense.
I’d have much lengthier responses if I actually was a decent typist.

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[quote]gregron wrote:

[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:

[quote]gregron wrote:
Go ahead and drag other posts, “clarifications”, insults and attempts at condescending/patronizing statements into your response like you always do when you get frustrated. It hasnt worked so far but that’s your go to move (or tactic) so maybe it’ll work this time and you’ll get to me like you’re trying to do. Next thing you’ll be daring me to meet you in person and tell you to your face that I think those words were told to Joe Pa. LOL

If you actually responded without doing any of the above I would be shocked… “But I won’t hold my breath”[/quote]

do you want me to post all “your points” again? i already did it once. and i’ll continue to rebut your now sanitized point by saying we have a grand jury summary, not the testimony. but if you want a concession that “man”, “boy” “shower” and “inappropriate” may have been reported to joe, take your cookie and run along and eat it. how this is your original point (it is not as evidenced by all the posts i quoted from you) is beyond my imagination b/c it does nothing to rebut my simple logical position.

you are over matched. maybe you should go plank.
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glad I didnt hold my breath. Typical BG[/quote]

I’m glad I’m not holding my breath waiting on a intelligent reply from you. Typical Gregron. Do you want all your quotes quoted back to you again? Isn’t that what you do? Cherry pick one liners and quote them back in an effort to be clever?

Do you have a retort to my logical position about Joe Paterno? Or are you going to plank from the roof tops and yell “boy” “shower” “man” “inappropriate” again?

I won’t hold my breath.

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[quote]gregron wrote:

[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:
oh Greg…are you going to call me a bully next? LOL[/quote]

A bully? I dont know about that since this is the internet and its just words from a faceless poster. In real life? Since I’ve never meet you I really couldn’t say.

If I was asked to describe what I thought you were the world “bully” more than likely would not make it into my description.

From the tone and nature of most of your posts I would say you just seem like a bitter cynical old man (well not really that old, I think you’re only in your 40’s?) [/quote]

Ok, I just thought you might be a vixen since you’re playing the “typical” card.

Let me know when you join the DISCUSSION. Save the bickering for your marriage. And, you can call me old as soon as you’re stronger than me or until you can whoop me. Until then, it’s premature.

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[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:

[quote]gregron wrote:

[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:
oh Greg…are you going to call me a bully next? LOL[/quote]

A bully? I dont know about that since this is the internet and its just words from a faceless poster. In real life? Since I’ve never meet you I really couldn’t say.

If I was asked to describe what I thought you were the world “bully” more than likely would not make it into my description.

From the tone and nature of most of your posts I would say you just seem like a bitter cynical old man (well not really that old, I think you’re only in your 40’s?) [/quote]

Ok, I just thought you might be a vixen since you’re playing the “typical” card.

Let me know when you join the DISCUSSION. Save the bickering for your marriage. And, you can call me old as soon as you’re stronger than me or until you can whoop me. Until then, it’s premature.
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Well you didn’t deny the bitter and cynical part so I guess that was spot on. I can call you old as soon as I’m stronger than you and can whoop you? I see you’re very mature in your old age.

Thinking your strong and thinking your tough doesn’t make you not old. (mid 40’s is “over the hill” as far as men’s age goes)

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http://www.usatoday.com/sports/college/football/2011-11-18-ncaa-letter-penn-state.pdf

Letter from NCAA to Penn State.

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[quote]gregron wrote:

[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:

[quote]gregron wrote:

[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:
oh Greg…are you going to call me a bully next? LOL[/quote]

A bully? I dont know about that since this is the internet and its just words from a faceless poster. In real life? Since I’ve never meet you I really couldn’t say.

If I was asked to describe what I thought you were the world “bully” more than likely would not make it into my description.

From the tone and nature of most of your posts I would say you just seem like a bitter cynical old man (well not really that old, I think you’re only in your 40’s?) [/quote]

Ok, I just thought you might be a vixen since you’re playing the “typical” card.

Let me know when you join the DISCUSSION. Save the bickering for your marriage. And, you can call me old as soon as you’re stronger than me or until you can whoop me. Until then, it’s premature.
[/quote]

Well you didn’t deny the bitter and cynical part so I guess that was spot on. I can call you old as soon as I’m stronger than you and can whoop you? I see you’re very mature in your old age.

Thinking your strong and thinking your tough doesn’t make you not old. (mid 40’s is “over the hill” as far as men’s age goes)[/quote]

derisively calling some “old” is mature eh?

if I’m “over the hill”, why aren’t you stronger than me and why can’t you whoop me? i guess my peak was that much higher than yours. it’s the only explanation.

as for bitter and cynical, am i to dignify your childish attacks? from a 20 something year old that has accomplished what exactly? not.

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by the way ReRun, you’re doing what you’ve been doing since page 13. bickering. you never had a point. and you still don’t have an intelligent reply. other than starting the thread, you have contributed nothing to the present dialogue in spite of my now 3 attempts to get you to engage in an actual discussion. it’s apparent (painfully) that you have nothing to contribute other than a war of internet words with me, which you oddly seem to relish. strange conduct for a “man” that has no apparent trouble raising “maturity” (or any other flimsy transparent ad hominem) against his opponent.

at this time, it’s apparent that in addition to your considerable planking skills, that you’re also the kid that picks a fight, and when hit back, runs away and claims the other kid started it.

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^^LOL @ me being the one who’s using “childish attacks” bwaaahahahaha! Funniest thing you’ve ever said BG.

You’ve now moved on to your next go to move, “I’m stronger than you and can whoop you.” I’ve seen you go on with that nonsense with quite a few posters and it’s always the same tired routine LOL

879

You think I’m “a kid who picks fights” even though you quoted/questioned me to start our exchange.

And you know my perception of you.

Seems like we’ve come to an understanding.

880

another thread about this that starts with speeches and ends in a battle-royale pit-fight about nothing and nothing gets done and no one remembers what was going on and learns nothing to prevent the same thing from happening again because everyone got distracted by their own ego