So, McQueary has been placed on “indefinite leave”…
[quote]Grneyes wrote:
So, McQueary has been placed on “indefinite leave”…[/quote]
I wouldnt wish the life of Mike Mcquery on my worst enemy.
[quote]QuadasarusFlex wrote:
[quote]Grneyes wrote:
So, McQueary has been placed on “indefinite leave”…[/quote]
I wouldnt wish the life of Mike Mcquery on my worst enemy.[/quote]
I feel no sympathy for him. He had the chance to take that fucker out, but totally dropped the ball. If he had selfish intent (whatever that entailed), a quick mental forethought could have driven that selfishness into heroism… if he had only reacted like a hero and taken Sandusky the fuck down on the spot. Imagine THAT headline!
[quote]Iron Dwarf wrote:
[quote]QuadasarusFlex wrote:
[quote]Grneyes wrote:
So, McQueary has been placed on “indefinite leave”…[/quote]
I wouldnt wish the life of Mike Mcquery on my worst enemy.[/quote]
I feel no sympathy for him. He had the chance to take that fucker out, but totally dropped the ball. If he had selfish intent (whatever that entailed), a quick mental forethought could have driven that selfishness into heroism… if he had only reacted like a hero and taken Sandusky the fuck down on the spot. Imagine THAT headline![/quote]
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[quote]Derek542 wrote:
[quote]Iron Dwarf wrote:
[quote]QuadasarusFlex wrote:
[quote]Grneyes wrote:
So, McQueary has been placed on “indefinite leave”…[/quote]
I wouldnt wish the life of Mike Mcquery on my worst enemy.[/quote]
I feel no sympathy for him. He had the chance to take that fucker out, but totally dropped the ball. If he had selfish intent (whatever that entailed), a quick mental forethought could have driven that selfishness into heroism… if he had only reacted like a hero and taken Sandusky the fuck down on the spot. Imagine THAT headline![/quote]
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and as for his “being placed on leave”, that will hopefully just be a prelude to him getting fired, and then going to jail (as criminal charges are being brought against him).
[quote]Iron Dwarf wrote:
[quote]QuadasarusFlex wrote:
[quote]Grneyes wrote:
So, McQueary has been placed on “indefinite leave”…[/quote]
I wouldnt wish the life of Mike Mcquery on my worst enemy.[/quote]
I feel no sympathy for him. He had the chance to take that fucker out, but totally dropped the ball. If he had selfish intent (whatever that entailed), a quick mental forethought could have driven that selfishness into heroism… if he had only reacted like a hero and taken Sandusky the fuck down on the spot. Imagine THAT headline![/quote]
Me either, and I think this is what happened to that D.A. who went missing. Probably couldn’t deal with the thought of what he hadn’t done, and guilt drove him to do away with himself.
I agree, what headlines it would make, more importantly you’ve saved a boy and potentially others. It’s the right and only thing to do. Then comes Sandusky’s lawyer at you for aggravated assault cuz you’ve tweaked his neck in the process or something blah blah blah, that’s were the justice system is a failure.
[quote]WestCoast7 wrote:
[quote]Derek542 wrote:
[quote]Iron Dwarf wrote:
[quote]QuadasarusFlex wrote:
[quote]Grneyes wrote:
So, McQueary has been placed on “indefinite leave”…[/quote]
I wouldnt wish the life of Mike Mcquery on my worst enemy.[/quote]
I feel no sympathy for him. He had the chance to take that fucker out, but totally dropped the ball. If he had selfish intent (whatever that entailed), a quick mental forethought could have driven that selfishness into heroism… if he had only reacted like a hero and taken Sandusky the fuck down on the spot. Imagine THAT headline![/quote]
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[/quote]
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and as for his “being placed on leave”, that will hopefully just be a prelude to him getting fired, and then going to jail (as criminal charges are being brought against him).[/quote]
I had some sympathy for him as a GA seeing that. Personally, I don’t know what I would have done in the situation. First of all, it would have been a twilight zone moment and I probably would have the doubted reality at the moment and stumbled around like a zombie wondering what the fuck just happened.
Also, he’s at the bottom of the totem pole, and at most loosely affiliated as an employee of the university. I know GAs and they are not “employees” of the university in the typical sense. I probably would have called my dad, too. People are calling him a baby for making a phone call, but after seeing something that disturbing I would want to talk it through with somebody I trust.
This might be getting a little graphic, but unless the kid was screaming bloody murder, I doubt I would have intervened physically in the situation. I probably would have done exactly what he did in that situation; get my wits together and figure out what to do next.
I think a lot of people over estimate how they would react in an extreme situation and until it happens and the opportunity presents itself, you won’t know for sure.
Also, as a young GA I thought alerting his superiors was a logical thing to do. He was in position to handle the situation; yes he could have called the police, but they would have went to his superiors and I don’t think the situation would have been any different.
If anybody is criminally liable, it should be further up the chain.
However, his career growth from GA to coach tells me he did engage in some cronyism by accepting positions in exchanging for keeping silent about what he saw.
[quote]xXxJoKeRxXx wrote:
[quote]scj119 wrote:
[quote]pat wrote:
[quote]xXxJoKeRxXx wrote:
Two years after even this incident which law enforcement knew about, no restraining order or mandate passed that Sandusky must terminate his involvement with the Second Mile program? Something reeks here way beyond just PSU. Authorities knew about this guy in '98, had eavesdropped on conversations, had Sandusky’s own admission that he ‘hugged a boy’ in the shower in '98 and admitted that ‘he knew it was wrong’. At that point if the Authorities are doing their job, they cut the head off the snake (pun intended), and forbid him to have anything to do with children groups etc etc. Total fail on law enforcement here 1st, PennSt 2nd. 2nd incident in 2002 would of, and should of, never happened if it was handled properly the first time.
Sounds like the county sheriff and his deputies, and the lawyer man in this town are fooootball fanssss.
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Great observations. Theirs definitely a lot of hanging chads here. You got corruption on many levels in and out of that school. Local authorities, and hell even some Fed involvement and yet NOTHING came of it and there was even an admission of behavior that certainly qualifies as molestation. I would even hug my own kids butt ass nekid in a shower. And the cherry on top in a terms of a mysteriously lost, presumed dead DA. A computer with no hard drive and a hard drive submerged and damaged beyond repair.
I don’t know how much of this shit is related, but we could be sitting at the tip of a humongous shit storm if things start linking together…
Go to your local police station and tell them you hugged a 10 year old unrelated child in a shower and see where you end up. That already is a crime and it was basically ignored even when admitted?
I am no fan of conspiracy theories, but there is just an awful lot shit that is very strange and doesn’t make sense on any level and none of it is explained at all… WTF?
I bet if you followed the money, you could unravel the mystery.[/quote]
1st guy made some great points.
2nd guy made no sense. Follow the money? PSU football doesn’t pay county police.
edit - I’ll say again - the DA was not fucking related to this case. He had one charge on his desk in 1998 and decided not to prosecute and NOTHING was ever brought to his desk in the 7 years between that and his disappearance. Why would this case be a more likely reason for his disappearance than the major drug rings he busted and mob bosses he pissed off?
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I think there is some valid points there. I’m not a conspiracy theorist, but there seems to be some unexplainable actions that just don’t add up, unless money, bribery, tickets, fear or something along those lines were involved. A mom knowing their son has been exposed to this sicko, who is still involved with the kids program after the fact, doesn’t speak out against it?? Something is fishy to me there. Also seems her conversation with Sandusky was geared to just get him stop it, rather than incriminate himself. (if that is all of the conversation that was overheard by school police/detectives whoever it was)
Even though McQueary (the grad assistant who witnessed the 2002 incident) was starting QB at PSU, the fact that he got a job as one of the assistant coaches shortly after he graduated from PSU is a little suspect. It happens I know, but sorta sounds like a 'lets keep this in house if possible)
I can’t wait till more gets out, and more heads roll. They all deserve to be exposed and fingered out if some sort of corruption was involved.
I agree with the fact that the DA part seems a little far fetched, and the possibility of his disappearance is related to another case, OR possibly his conscience finally caught up to him that he didn’t do what he should of done back in '98, and offed himself before this snowballed into the situation it is today, where it would look REALLY bad on him.[/quote]
The problem is, everything can look fishy in hindsight after a scandal happens. In reality, it’s not that abnormal that a starting QB with no NFL career stayed on as a grad assistant then became a position coach. Everything can look tainted in hindsight but at the time no one was asking how he got the job, you know?
As far as the DA, I’m pretty sure he is in witness protection or something. I know townies and that’s the rumor… there were no big stories or public outcry of his disappearance, it just happened and no one talked about it. Definitely was downplayed by the police, I don’t think the “investigation” was even taken that seriously.
[quote]theuofh wrote:
[quote]WestCoast7 wrote:
[quote]Derek542 wrote:
[quote]Iron Dwarf wrote:
[quote]QuadasarusFlex wrote:
[quote]Grneyes wrote:
So, McQueary has been placed on “indefinite leave”…[/quote]
I wouldnt wish the life of Mike Mcquery on my worst enemy.[/quote]
I feel no sympathy for him. He had the chance to take that fucker out, but totally dropped the ball. If he had selfish intent (whatever that entailed), a quick mental forethought could have driven that selfishness into heroism… if he had only reacted like a hero and taken Sandusky the fuck down on the spot. Imagine THAT headline![/quote]
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and as for his “being placed on leave”, that will hopefully just be a prelude to him getting fired, and then going to jail (as criminal charges are being brought against him).[/quote]
I had some sympathy for him as a GA seeing that. Personally, I don’t know what I would have done in the situation. First of all, it would have been a twilight zone moment and I probably would have the doubted reality at the moment and stumbled around like a zombie wondering what the fuck just happened.
Also, he’s at the bottom of the totem pole, and at most loosely affiliated as an employee of the university. I know GAs and they are not “employees” of the university in the typical sense. I probably would have called my dad, too. People are calling him a baby for making a phone call, but after seeing something that disturbing I would want to talk it through with somebody I trust.
This might be getting a little graphic, but unless the kid was screaming bloody murder, I doubt I would have intervened physically in the situation. I probably would have done exactly what he did in that situation; get my wits together and figure out what to do next.
I think a lot of people over estimate how they would react in an extreme situation and until it happens and the opportunity presents itself, you won’t know for sure.
Also, as a young GA I thought alerting his superiors was a logical thing to do. He was in position to handle the situation; yes he could have called the police, but they would have went to his superiors and I don’t think the situation would have been any different.
If anybody is criminally liable, it should be further up the chain.
However, his career growth from GA to coach tells me he did engage in some cronyism by accepting positions in exchanging for keeping silent about what he saw.
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Again, I don’t think it’s that odd that a starting QB with no NFL career became a WR coach, he probably realized that was the best entry for him. It only looks shady in hindsight.
Now, as far as your other stuff, I totally disagree. I have no sympathy for him because he didn’t do shit. Can I say with CERTAINTY that I would do the right thing? No I can’t - but, if I didn’t, I would be a piece of shit too.
By the way, as much as I want everyone involved in this to be thrown in a tiger cage - I’m watching the game and rooting for State today. Fuck y’all.
As far as I’m concerned, everyone involved is not Penn State to me.
Interesting side note… apparently in College FB betting, the PSU-Nebraska is taking in insane amounts of bets, by far more than any other game, most of which are going on NEB.
[quote]scj119 wrote:
[quote]xXxJoKeRxXx wrote:
[quote]scj119 wrote:
[quote]pat wrote:
[quote]xXxJoKeRxXx wrote:
Two years after even this incident which law enforcement knew about, no restraining order or mandate passed that Sandusky must terminate his involvement with the Second Mile program? Something reeks here way beyond just PSU. Authorities knew about this guy in '98, had eavesdropped on conversations, had Sandusky’s own admission that he ‘hugged a boy’ in the shower in '98 and admitted that ‘he knew it was wrong’. At that point if the Authorities are doing their job, they cut the head off the snake (pun intended), and forbid him to have anything to do with children groups etc etc. Total fail on law enforcement here 1st, PennSt 2nd. 2nd incident in 2002 would of, and should of, never happened if it was handled properly the first time.
Sounds like the county sheriff and his deputies, and the lawyer man in this town are fooootball fanssss.
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Great observations. Theirs definitely a lot of hanging chads here. You got corruption on many levels in and out of that school. Local authorities, and hell even some Fed involvement and yet NOTHING came of it and there was even an admission of behavior that certainly qualifies as molestation. I would even hug my own kids butt ass nekid in a shower. And the cherry on top in a terms of a mysteriously lost, presumed dead DA. A computer with no hard drive and a hard drive submerged and damaged beyond repair.
I don’t know how much of this shit is related, but we could be sitting at the tip of a humongous shit storm if things start linking together…
Go to your local police station and tell them you hugged a 10 year old unrelated child in a shower and see where you end up. That already is a crime and it was basically ignored even when admitted?
I am no fan of conspiracy theories, but there is just an awful lot shit that is very strange and doesn’t make sense on any level and none of it is explained at all… WTF?
I bet if you followed the money, you could unravel the mystery.[/quote]
1st guy made some great points.
2nd guy made no sense. Follow the money? PSU football doesn’t pay county police.
edit - I’ll say again - the DA was not fucking related to this case. He had one charge on his desk in 1998 and decided not to prosecute and NOTHING was ever brought to his desk in the 7 years between that and his disappearance. Why would this case be a more likely reason for his disappearance than the major drug rings he busted and mob bosses he pissed off?
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I think there is some valid points there. I’m not a conspiracy theorist, but there seems to be some unexplainable actions that just don’t add up, unless money, bribery, tickets, fear or something along those lines were involved. A mom knowing their son has been exposed to this sicko, who is still involved with the kids program after the fact, doesn’t speak out against it?? Something is fishy to me there. Also seems her conversation with Sandusky was geared to just get him stop it, rather than incriminate himself. (if that is all of the conversation that was overheard by school police/detectives whoever it was)
Even though McQueary (the grad assistant who witnessed the 2002 incident) was starting QB at PSU, the fact that he got a job as one of the assistant coaches shortly after he graduated from PSU is a little suspect. It happens I know, but sorta sounds like a 'lets keep this in house if possible)
I can’t wait till more gets out, and more heads roll. They all deserve to be exposed and fingered out if some sort of corruption was involved.
I agree with the fact that the DA part seems a little far fetched, and the possibility of his disappearance is related to another case, OR possibly his conscience finally caught up to him that he didn’t do what he should of done back in '98, and offed himself before this snowballed into the situation it is today, where it would look REALLY bad on him.[/quote]
The problem is, everything can look fishy in hindsight after a scandal happens. In reality, it’s not that abnormal that a starting QB with no NFL career stayed on as a grad assistant then became a position coach. Everything can look tainted in hindsight but at the time no one was asking how he got the job, you know?
As far as the DA, I’m pretty sure he is in witness protection or something. I know townies and that’s the rumor… there were no big stories or public outcry of his disappearance, it just happened and no one talked about it. Definitely was downplayed by the police, I don’t think the “investigation” was even taken that seriously.
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I agree, but sometimes you have to look back to put a piece of a puzzle together, or at least to make sense of it. In cases of corruption etc etc, this is I’m assuming how they piece it back (like the mobster tree diagrams we see in the movies lol) Seems like a lot of people where hushed and tight lipped about all this, I don’t think it’s an unfair question to ask as to why they were?? At the time, yes I would of never thought twice as to why he was hired, but under these extreme circumstances that we know now, I think you could question it a little at least.
As for intervening, I think you have to look at it this way. Imagine if you saw your child in that situation, there would be no doubt to what your actions would be?? I don’t see the difference in those actions in seeing someone else’s child being abused. I agree at first I’d be dumbfounded and not believe my eyes, but once I processed WTF was really happening, I don’t think I’d be able to control the disgust then the absolute rage I’d put on that person. It actually scares me to think about it. No matter what happens beyond that, experiencing that image would be with you for a very long time, and that would piss me off as much as what he was doing to the boy.
I guess the old proverb ‘it takes a village to raise a child’ applies here and in everyday life really, probably a sentiment that some people take for granted but should really think about.
By the way, I hope everyone saying PSU’s students are dumb, awful and evil saw the candlelight vigil footage
[quote]scj119 wrote:
By the way, I hope everyone saying PSU’s students are dumb, awful and evil saw the candlelight vigil footage[/quote]
Supporting Joe Paterno and and caring about the victims are not mutually exclusive positions.
Anyone who supports Joe Paterno is an awful person
Anyone here about the Bomb threat at Beaver Stadium?
[quote]therajraj wrote:
[quote]scj119 wrote:
By the way, I hope everyone saying PSU’s students are dumb, awful and evil saw the candlelight vigil footage[/quote]
Supporting Joe Paterno and and caring about the victims are not mutually exclusive positions.
Anyone who supports Joe Paterno is an awful person[/quote]
And not everyone at PSU does
[quote]scj119 wrote:
[quote]therajraj wrote:
[quote]scj119 wrote:
By the way, I hope everyone saying PSU’s students are dumb, awful and evil saw the candlelight vigil footage[/quote]
Supporting Joe Paterno and and caring about the victims are not mutually exclusive positions.
Anyone who supports Joe Paterno is an awful person[/quote]
And not everyone at PSU does[/quote]
Again, the impression I’m getting is most PSU students do.
[quote]scj119 wrote:
Well-written column about maintaining objectivity from one of my favorite sportswriters (Posnanski)… he’s been writing a book about Paterno for years and has some decent insight into the man.
well geez…I think I’ve been saying the same things. Amiright?
[quote]therajraj wrote:
[quote]scj119 wrote:
[quote]therajraj wrote:
[quote]scj119 wrote:
By the way, I hope everyone saying PSU’s students are dumb, awful and evil saw the candlelight vigil footage[/quote]
Supporting Joe Paterno and and caring about the victims are not mutually exclusive positions.
Anyone who supports Joe Paterno is an awful person[/quote]
And not everyone at PSU does[/quote]
Again, the impression I’m getting is most PSU students do. [/quote]
Based on?
[quote]scj119 wrote:
TBG, if you can’t figure out who the lunatic on the bus is, it’s probably you.
Again, McQueary was a starting QB at Penn State and is pretty in tune with what a normal locker room shower is. He would not report such a thing to Paterno at all - much less be “visibly upset” when doing so (Paterno’s words, not mine).
I loved the guy but I’m just finding very little room for there to be a misunderstanding of what he knew.[/quote]
Jesus H.
What he KNEW AFTER the report. How do you know what he knew after Paterno reported UP to his superiors? This is exhausting. What if he too was misled. Did you read all the waffling about what happened among his superiors who are accused of engaging in a cover up? And do you notice that Paterno was not accused of a cover up and is a witness for the State?? You keep coming back to a point I’m not even making - the original report from the GA. I want to know what Paterno knew after that and when. It’s pretty fucking simple.
And how the fuck do you post an article that call “well written” that pretty much echoes exactly what I’ve been saying? LOL
[quote]gregron wrote:
[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:
[quote]gregron wrote:
[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:
I’ll say it again; I do not believe for one minute that Joe Pa knew abuse was occurring and turned a blind eye. I don’t buy it. If however, after a full airing of the FACTS in this case, it points to Joe Pa knowing, I’ll lead the lynch mob.
I don’t know how many times I can repeat the same fucking thing.
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What the hell are you even talking about? You can’t be this dense, you have to be trolling at this point.
You don’t believe for one minute that JoePa knew about abuse and turned a blind eye? He was told (he testified to this) that he was told by McQueary that Sandusky was fondling a young boy in the shower. JoePa continues to tolerate the presence of Sandusky for almost another decade. How is that not turning a blind eye?[/quote]
Now who’s being dense? I’ve said this before…many times now…maybe you’re trolling (as usual), or, you’re not as cute/clever as you fancy yourself…I’ve said, more than once…
And what was Joe Pa told of the results of any such investigation? We don’t know. What if it was reported back to him that it was “unfounded” or a misunderstanding or something less than what it really wa? What we do know, is it is alleged that his superiors engaged in a cover-up. What if Paterno was similarly misled? Paterno IS a witness for the prosecution. He runs a national D1 football program. Are you going to argue he should have spearheaded the investigation too? Or was it unreasonable to rely upon the University to conduct an appropriate investigation? Answer.
Again, I want to know what he knew, and when.
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LOL… You try so hard BG. I thought you were going to admit you were wrong (about 20 pages ago) when I posted the testimonies from the report… But That hasn’t happened. You’re just scrambling trying to grasp onto anything you can to try and “save face”. It’s just the Internet… No harm in admitting you’re wrong (like you said you would)[/quote]
I’m trying so hard. Dedicated my last three days to this. Not.
I read the report as far as victim 2 which is where Paterno comes in. My original questions remain unanswered by the report. I want to know what Paterno knew and when. Not just the original reporting of victim 2 but of the follow up, if any. That’s what I want to know.