WTF Penn State?!?!?!

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[quote]scj119 wrote:

[quote]therajraj wrote:

[quote]scj119 wrote:

[quote]therajraj wrote:

[quote]scj119 wrote:
By the way, I hope everyone saying PSU’s students are dumb, awful and evil saw the candlelight vigil footage[/quote]

Supporting Joe Paterno and and caring about the victims are not mutually exclusive positions.

Anyone who supports Joe Paterno is an awful person[/quote]

And not everyone at PSU does[/quote]

Again, the impression I’m getting is most PSU students do. [/quote]

Based on?[/quote]

The comments on Penn State’s facebook page, the student in the Youtube video stating his views are in the minority, the support shown at the tailgate party (Penn State -- Fans Show Love for Joe Paterno), the rally/riot for JoePa, the lack of a counter rally to support the Paterno Firing.

I’m not watching the game, but apparently the JoePa supporters are wearing white instead of blue. How many of the fans at the game are wearing white?

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[quote]WestCoast7 wrote:

[quote]Derek542 wrote:

[quote]Iron Dwarf wrote:

[quote]QuadasarusFlex wrote:

[quote]Grneyes wrote:
So, McQueary has been placed on “indefinite leave”…[/quote]

I wouldnt wish the life of Mike Mcquery on my worst enemy.[/quote]

I feel no sympathy for him. He had the chance to take that fucker out, but totally dropped the ball. If he had selfish intent (whatever that entailed), a quick mental forethought could have driven that selfishness into heroism… if he had only reacted like a hero and taken Sandusky the fuck down on the spot. Imagine THAT headline![/quote]

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X 1,000,000

and as for his “being placed on leave”, that will hopefully just be a prelude to him getting fired, and then going to jail (as criminal charges are being brought against him).[/quote]

WTF? “Double fisting booze”? Is that a good example to set for underage college students? He is seriously lacking in common decency.

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[quote]therajraj wrote:

[quote]scj119 wrote:

[quote]therajraj wrote:

[quote]scj119 wrote:

[quote]therajraj wrote:

[quote]scj119 wrote:
By the way, I hope everyone saying PSU’s students are dumb, awful and evil saw the candlelight vigil footage[/quote]

Supporting Joe Paterno and and caring about the victims are not mutually exclusive positions.

Anyone who supports Joe Paterno is an awful person[/quote]

And not everyone at PSU does[/quote]

Again, the impression I’m getting is most PSU students do. [/quote]

Based on?[/quote]

The comments on Penn State’s facebook page, the student in the Youtube video stating his views are in the minority, the support shown at the tailgate party (Penn State -- Fans Show Love for Joe Paterno), the rally/riot for JoePa, the lack of a counter rally to support the Paterno Firing.

I’m not watching the game, but apparently the JoePa supporters are wearing white instead of blue. How many of the fans at the game are wearing white?

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That last part is dumb, students have worn white for literally every home game since I’ve gone there. So I imagine a lot are. That’s the shirt you buy to wear to games.

Counter rally? This wasn’t an organized rally… students found out about at a time when they were already out drinking and did some dumb shit. And, why on earth would you rally in support of something that already happened? That makes no sense.

An opinion of one fan… a facebook page (btw, the Paterno supporters are more vocal than the ones who support the firing, doesn’t mean they outnumber them. The people who wanted him fired (like me) have nothing to vent about, so you don’t see those views being posted).

Again, there is no reason to speak out in support of his firing. He’s already been fired so there’s nothing to rally about. So those of us in support have no reason to look for avenues to vent.

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The majority opinion of PSU fans I know just want McQueary and Curley to get the fuck out of dodge… McQ retired but Curley is still on PAID leave as far as I know

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Let me amend my previous statement: our biggest gripe actually is that Paterno is taking 90% of the coverage and it’s ridiculous. So I support him in the sense that they should be talking about Sandusky and the victims way more. I actually had to explain to someone at work that Paterno wasn’t the one molesting kids, for god’s sake

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[quote]scj119 wrote:
Let me amend my previous statement: our biggest gripe actually is that Paterno is taking 90% of the coverage and it’s ridiculous. So I support him in the sense that they should be talking about Sandusky and the victims way more. I actually had to explain to someone at work that Paterno wasn’t the one molesting kids, for god’s sake[/quote]

x2. The way he’s been railroaded you would think he had been the one molesting kids. He’s just the best known name so he gets the most coverage. Most ppl, who don’t follow college football or PSU, are like “Sandusky who? McQueary who?”

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[quote]Grneyes wrote:

[quote]scj119 wrote:
Let me amend my previous statement: our biggest gripe actually is that Paterno is taking 90% of the coverage and it’s ridiculous. So I support him in the sense that they should be talking about Sandusky and the victims way more. I actually had to explain to someone at work that Paterno wasn’t the one molesting kids, for god’s sake[/quote]

x2. The way he’s been railroaded you would think he had been the one molesting kids. He’s just the best known name so he gets the most coverage. Most ppl, who don’t follow college football or PSU, are like “Sandusky who? McQueary who?” [/quote]

Railroaded?

You pay the cost to be the boss. Everytime. Everywhere.

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[quote]scj119 wrote:

[quote]therajraj wrote:

[quote]scj119 wrote:

[quote]therajraj wrote:

[quote]scj119 wrote:

[quote]therajraj wrote:

[quote]scj119 wrote:
By the way, I hope everyone saying PSU’s students are dumb, awful and evil saw the candlelight vigil footage[/quote]

Supporting Joe Paterno and and caring about the victims are not mutually exclusive positions.

Anyone who supports Joe Paterno is an awful person[/quote]

And not everyone at PSU does[/quote]

Again, the impression I’m getting is most PSU students do. [/quote]

Based on?[/quote]

The comments on Penn State’s facebook page, the student in the Youtube video stating his views are in the minority, the support shown at the tailgate party (Penn State -- Fans Show Love for Joe Paterno), the rally/riot for JoePa, the lack of a counter rally to support the Paterno Firing.

I’m not watching the game, but apparently the JoePa supporters are wearing white instead of blue. How many of the fans at the game are wearing white?

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That last part is dumb, students have worn white for literally every home game since I’ve gone there. So I imagine a lot are. That’s the shirt you buy to wear to games.

Counter rally? This wasn’t an organized rally… students found out about at a time when they were already out drinking and did some dumb shit. And, why on earth would you rally in support of something that already happened? That makes no sense.

An opinion of one fan… a facebook page (btw, the Paterno supporters are more vocal than the ones who support the firing, doesn’t mean they outnumber them. The people who wanted him fired (like me) have nothing to vent about, so you don’t see those views being posted).

Again, there is no reason to speak out in support of his firing. He’s already been fired so there’s nothing to rally about. So those of us in support have no reason to look for avenues to vent.
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I understand people wear white, but today white has been SPECIFICALLY assigned as the colour to support JoePa.

  1. No reason? Large groups of people at your school are literally rallying in support of someone who protected a pederast for years. By staying home and not showing any support for the decision, they are allowing the rioters to represent the average view of PSU students in the media.
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[quote]pushharder wrote:

[quote]BONEZ217 wrote:

[quote]Grneyes wrote:

[quote]scj119 wrote:
Let me amend my previous statement: our biggest gripe actually is that Paterno is taking 90% of the coverage and it’s ridiculous. So I support him in the sense that they should be talking about Sandusky and the victims way more. I actually had to explain to someone at work that Paterno wasn’t the one molesting kids, for god’s sake[/quote]

x2. The way he’s been railroaded you would think he had been the one molesting kids. He’s just the best known name so he gets the most coverage. Most ppl, who don’t follow college football or PSU, are like “Sandusky who? McQueary who?” [/quote]

Railroaded?

You pay the cost to be the boss. Everytime. Everywhere. [/quote]

This.

When you’re the king…you are responsible for your kingdom.[/quote]

So it’s right that JoePa has been more vilified than the actual child molester. Got it.

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[quote]scj119 wrote:

[quote]pushharder wrote:

[quote]BONEZ217 wrote:

[quote]Grneyes wrote:

[quote]scj119 wrote:
Let me amend my previous statement: our biggest gripe actually is that Paterno is taking 90% of the coverage and it’s ridiculous. So I support him in the sense that they should be talking about Sandusky and the victims way more. I actually had to explain to someone at work that Paterno wasn’t the one molesting kids, for god’s sake[/quote]

x2. The way he’s been railroaded you would think he had been the one molesting kids. He’s just the best known name so he gets the most coverage. Most ppl, who don’t follow college football or PSU, are like “Sandusky who? McQueary who?” [/quote]

Railroaded?

You pay the cost to be the boss. Everytime. Everywhere. [/quote]

This.

When you’re the king…you are responsible for your kingdom.[/quote]

So it’s right that JoePa has been more vilified than the actual child molester. Got it.[/quote]

No. It’s not. But our society is want to tear down icons when they can. Look at this thread. It makes lesser people feel better about themselves and their lives.

But he was the captain of the ship. And like a CEO of an under-performing company, he’s ultimately accountable from a captain of the ship perspective.

Now, as to his moral and legal accountability, we cannot determine that until we know all the FACTS. Presently, we do not, no matter how high and loud somewhere here jumps up and down and “screams” otherwise. Most people here have a hard time separating fact from speculation but hey, most people aren’t smart enough not to drive the speed limit or less in the passing lane.

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[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:

[quote]scj119 wrote:

[quote]pushharder wrote:

[quote]BONEZ217 wrote:

[quote]Grneyes wrote:

[quote]scj119 wrote:
Let me amend my previous statement: our biggest gripe actually is that Paterno is taking 90% of the coverage and it’s ridiculous. So I support him in the sense that they should be talking about Sandusky and the victims way more. I actually had to explain to someone at work that Paterno wasn’t the one molesting kids, for god’s sake[/quote]

x2. The way he’s been railroaded you would think he had been the one molesting kids. He’s just the best known name so he gets the most coverage. Most ppl, who don’t follow college football or PSU, are like “Sandusky who? McQueary who?” [/quote]

Railroaded?

You pay the cost to be the boss. Everytime. Everywhere. [/quote]

This.

When you’re the king…you are responsible for your kingdom.[/quote]

So it’s right that JoePa has been more vilified than the actual child molester. Got it.[/quote]

No. It’s not. But our society is want to tear down icons when they can. Look at this thread. It makes lesser people feel better about themselves and their lives.

But he was the captain of the ship. And like a CEO of an under-performing company, he’s ultimately accountable from a captain of the ship perspective.

Now, as to his moral and legal accountability, we cannot determine that until we know all the FACTS. Presently, we do not, no matter how high and loud somewhere here jumps up and down and “screams” otherwise. Most people here have a hard time separating fact from speculation but hey, most people aren’t smart enough not to drive the speed limit or less in the passing lane. [/quote]

Just copy and paste your posts from now on. It would be easier than typing the same thing over and over.

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[quote]imhungry wrote:

[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:

[quote]scj119 wrote:

[quote]pushharder wrote:

[quote]BONEZ217 wrote:

[quote]Grneyes wrote:

[quote]scj119 wrote:
Let me amend my previous statement: our biggest gripe actually is that Paterno is taking 90% of the coverage and it’s ridiculous. So I support him in the sense that they should be talking about Sandusky and the victims way more. I actually had to explain to someone at work that Paterno wasn’t the one molesting kids, for god’s sake[/quote]

x2. The way he’s been railroaded you would think he had been the one molesting kids. He’s just the best known name so he gets the most coverage. Most ppl, who don’t follow college football or PSU, are like “Sandusky who? McQueary who?” [/quote]

Railroaded?

You pay the cost to be the boss. Everytime. Everywhere. [/quote]

This.

When you’re the king…you are responsible for your kingdom.[/quote]

So it’s right that JoePa has been more vilified than the actual child molester. Got it.[/quote]

No. It’s not. But our society is want to tear down icons when they can. Look at this thread. It makes lesser people feel better about themselves and their lives.

But he was the captain of the ship. And like a CEO of an under-performing company, he’s ultimately accountable from a captain of the ship perspective.

Now, as to his moral and legal accountability, we cannot determine that until we know all the FACTS. Presently, we do not, no matter how high and loud somewhere here jumps up and down and “screams” otherwise. Most people here have a hard time separating fact from speculation but hey, most people aren’t smart enough not to drive the speed limit or less in the passing lane. [/quote]

Just copy and paste your posts from now on. It would be easier than typing the same thing over and over.[/quote]

Yeah.

I’m just wondering how many times someone can attack it without addressing the actual point which is pretty fucking simple.

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[quote]scj119 wrote:
Let me amend my previous statement: our biggest gripe actually is that Paterno is taking 90% of the coverage and it’s ridiculous. So I support him in the sense that they should be talking about Sandusky and the victims way more. I actually had to explain to someone at work that Paterno wasn’t the one molesting kids, for god’s sake[/quote]

Is it really necessary to shout outrage at a pedophile? I think that outrage goes without saying. Plus a pedophile is a pedophile and there really isn’t much more to say about it.

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[quote]pushharder wrote:

[quote]debraD wrote:

[quote]scj119 wrote:
Let me amend my previous statement: our biggest gripe actually is that Paterno is taking 90% of the coverage and it’s ridiculous. So I support him in the sense that they should be talking about Sandusky and the victims way more. I actually had to explain to someone at work that Paterno wasn’t the one molesting kids, for god’s sake[/quote]

Is it really necessary to shout outrage at a pedophile? I think that outrage goes without saying. Plus a pedophile is a pedophile and there really isn’t much more to say about it. [/quote]

My thoughts exactly.[/quote]

OMG. I am marking this day on my calendar: The Day Push & DebraD AGREED!

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[quote]pushharder wrote:

[quote]Grneyes wrote:

[quote]pushharder wrote:

[quote]debraD wrote:

[quote]scj119 wrote:
Let me amend my previous statement: our biggest gripe actually is that Paterno is taking 90% of the coverage and it’s ridiculous. So I support him in the sense that they should be talking about Sandusky and the victims way more. I actually had to explain to someone at work that Paterno wasn’t the one molesting kids, for god’s sake[/quote]

Is it really necessary to shout outrage at a pedophile? I think that outrage goes without saying. Plus a pedophile is a pedophile and there really isn’t much more to say about it. [/quote]

My thoughts exactly.[/quote]

OMG. I am marking this day on my calendar: The Day Push & DebraD AGREED!
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LOL

I thought that might shift the T-Nation world’s axis just a bit.

I’ve actually been meaning to say pretty much exactly what she said. Maybe this is the first step on the long, long road to reconciliation. Who knows?

:wink:

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No offense, but I highly doubt that.