WTF Penn State?!?!?!

Off Topic
601

[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:

[quote]xXxJoKeRxXx wrote:

[quote]pat wrote:

[quote]Derek542 wrote:

[quote]gregron wrote:

[quote]Derek542 wrote:

[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
http://msn.foxsports.com/collegefootball/story/Penn-State-top-recurit-will-not-attend-school-111011

And the demise of the program begins.[/quote]

If my kid was 6’5" and 300 pounds with potential NFL prospects I sure as hell would be telling him to de-commit and find another school. There will be a lot more after this.

This may make the SMU death sentence look tame when its all done.[/quote]

This isn’t an NCAA issue, it’s a criminal one. Penn State isn’t going to get hammered with NCAA sanctions.[/quote]

Not saying they will, the PR nightmare will cause that. [/quote]

They won’t level anything on the school because of what sandusky did, but they might because of the cover up. That was a school matter and I am going to go out on a limb with out knowing the NCAA by-laws intimately, that covering up a crime is a violation of some sort. They have shut programs down for less.
Hell, they’ll rape a player in the shower if he even allows somebody to by them dinner. I’d think this is bigger than that.
I just hope for the sake of the athletes they don’t screw the athletes. They are victims in this whole mess too.[/quote]

I’m beginning to wonder what was ever covered up by the school really? After the first suspicion of Sandusky’s pedo behavior, two State College Police investigators PLUS an investigator with the Pennsylvania Department of Public Welfare knew and interviewed Sandusky about the incident in '98 which he admitted to the hugging of the boy in the shower. Then County District Attorney decides there will be no criminal charge, but yet still don’t keep tabs or pay any attention to the fact the he is still in proximity to young boys in his Second Mile program? Everyone is out to crucity the school (as I was) but I’m not seeing as there are more people than the school that are to blame…
[/quote]

No, police were never notified of the fact that an adult witnessed Sandusky raping a 10 year old. The 2002 incident in the shower never went beyond administrators at the school.[/quote]

According to the timeline and grand jury findings, that is false. The school administration ‘supposedly’ told the Second Mile program that it had happened too, but no mention of law enforcement is correct

602

[quote]BlueLineCretin wrote:

[quote]pushmepullme wrote:

Same thing happens with every cool town. When I grew up in Boulder, there was crazy indie everything, and in hindsight it really was a cool small town. Now, I go there, and it’s complete hippie corporate shit.

Also, there are more Lesbarus than BMWs, better in the snow and not as ostentatious.
[/quote]

Boulder moved to Nederland[/quote]

Ah yes, home to Frozen Dead Guy Days.

http://frozendeadguydays.org/

603

[quote]BlueLineCretin wrote:

[quote]pushmepullme wrote:

Same thing happens with every cool town. When I grew up in Boulder, there was crazy indie everything, and in hindsight it really was a cool small town. Now, I go there, and it’s complete hippie corporate shit.

Also, there are more Lesbarus than BMWs, better in the snow and not as ostentatious.
[/quote]

Boulder moved to Nederland[/quote]

It’s happening in Nederland too. They’re considering putting in sidewalks.

604

[quote]pushmepullme wrote:

[quote]BlueLineCretin wrote:

[quote]pushmepullme wrote:

Same thing happens with every cool town. When I grew up in Boulder, there was crazy indie everything, and in hindsight it really was a cool small town. Now, I go there, and it’s complete hippie corporate shit.

Also, there are more Lesbarus than BMWs, better in the snow and not as ostentatious.
[/quote]

Boulder moved to Nederland[/quote]

It’s happening in Nederland too. They’re considering putting in sidewalks.[/quote]

I was actually thinking about that as I posted. Where will Ned go? Rollinsville? I never made it to Frozen Dead Guy, but Ned has the best pizza joint, Backcountry Pizza. Great pizza and beer. GD i miss CO

605

[quote]xXxJoKeRxXx wrote:

[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:

[quote]xXxJoKeRxXx wrote:

[quote]pat wrote:

[quote]Derek542 wrote:

[quote]gregron wrote:

[quote]Derek542 wrote:

[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
http://msn.foxsports.com/collegefootball/story/Penn-State-top-recurit-will-not-attend-school-111011

And the demise of the program begins.[/quote]

If my kid was 6’5" and 300 pounds with potential NFL prospects I sure as hell would be telling him to de-commit and find another school. There will be a lot more after this.

This may make the SMU death sentence look tame when its all done.[/quote]

This isn’t an NCAA issue, it’s a criminal one. Penn State isn’t going to get hammered with NCAA sanctions.[/quote]

Not saying they will, the PR nightmare will cause that. [/quote]

They won’t level anything on the school because of what sandusky did, but they might because of the cover up. That was a school matter and I am going to go out on a limb with out knowing the NCAA by-laws intimately, that covering up a crime is a violation of some sort. They have shut programs down for less.
Hell, they’ll rape a player in the shower if he even allows somebody to by them dinner. I’d think this is bigger than that.
I just hope for the sake of the athletes they don’t screw the athletes. They are victims in this whole mess too.[/quote]

I’m beginning to wonder what was ever covered up by the school really? After the first suspicion of Sandusky’s pedo behavior, two State College Police investigators PLUS an investigator with the Pennsylvania Department of Public Welfare knew and interviewed Sandusky about the incident in '98 which he admitted to the hugging of the boy in the shower. Then County District Attorney decides there will be no criminal charge, but yet still don’t keep tabs or pay any attention to the fact the he is still in proximity to young boys in his Second Mile program? Everyone is out to crucity the school (as I was) but I’m not seeing as there are more people than the school that are to blame…
[/quote]

No, police were never notified of the fact that an adult witnessed Sandusky raping a 10 year old. The 2002 incident in the shower never went beyond administrators at the school.[/quote]

Yes I know that, I read the timeline too. But if it was out in the open to investigators that this had happened back in '98, what really was covered up by the school? It’s like the County just didn’t give a fuck the first time it happened. [/quote]

Uh, the witnessed raping of a 10 year old kid in the school locker room by a former coach?

606

[quote]MattyXL wrote:

[quote]awesomeguy1234 wrote:

[quote]MattyXL wrote:

[quote]awesomeguy1234 wrote:

[quote]Edevus wrote:

[quote]awesomeguy1234 wrote:

there were people picketing and rallying calling for mike vicks head on a platter because he participated in the murdering of dogs, while joe paterno ignores the molestation and rape of young children at the hands of one of his top assistant coaches and people create mobs and riot in his defense…!?
[/quote]

Totally different (kind of) people. I don’t like this line of thought.
“If it rains, people complain! If it’s sunny, people complain! People are crazy and don’t know what they want!”.[/quote]

what do u mean ‘different kind’ of people?

they are both prominent public figures in athletics who knew of illegal activity going on under their watch and let it continue, granted vick participated and paterno did not, but i think its a more than fair comparison.[/quote]

How can you compare Vick to this issue…

Vick - Before his illegalites he was an erratic QB and excellent athlete who does not represent professional football and the best that it had to offer, he was simply a popular player and represented nothing off the field to many.

PSU (Paterno) - Was looked upon as all that is right with College Sports, was looked as the moral minority who turned his nose at other Universities for their questionable behavior, Paterno represented all that is or was right with Colgiate Athletics, he was loved and reveared for his reputation. To have known about these atrocities destroys his legend and what he represented.

Vick was not a living legend at the time, and when he was caught for his callous and horrible acts was just a professional football player. Even with this there were the “just a dog” people that still believed he received a raw deal.

At times no matter what the behavior there are people who are blinded by loyalty wether it be Vick or Paterno…

Just look at Michael fucking Jackson, he was viewed as the PERPTRATOR of fondling and sexual conduct of young boys yet there were and are jackasses still extolling his virtues!

The vick issue is a totally different and much smaller animal (pun intended)

EDIT: I guess under the general terms of your comparisons (i.e. Athletics, public figures, illegal activity) you can correlate the two…but not really[/quote]

  1. how does vick not represent professional football or the best it could offer? you said it yourself he was an incredible athlete, endless potential, inconsistent, but he found ways to win and coaches and analysts would spend endless amounts of time discussing how to defend him let alone hopefully contain him.

  2. granted paterno and psu never had any recruiting scandals, but vick before his jail term was extremely important and meant a lot to the city of atlanta and african americans as a role model along with being a source of pride for both and was very near considered a living legend among blacks, but i guess our opinion doesnt really count in these situations.

  3. people supported vick in spite of those who took the case as an opportunity to not support animal rights but to express their hatred for wealthy successfull black athletes, especially one that played quarterback. there was no unfair treatment of joe paterno in his firing and the riots completely disregarded the victims and the root of the problem which was paternos negligence in stopping ‘callous’ and ‘horrible’ acts of sexual abuse, not dog killing, SEXUAL ABUSE.

look back at your post and you yourself just took it as an opportunity to bash vick, trumpet about how great a man paterno is despite what we know now, and in the end admit that it is an understandable comparison.

[/quote]

Understandable comparison based on general terms…

Im not a Paterno booster in fact up until to this fiasco could care less about the man or PSU.

Comparing Michael Vick to Paterno is drivel, there is no comparison Paterno, represents more to College Athletics than Vick does to the NFL. If the comparison was Paterno and say a Jim Brown and his illustrious career on and off the football field it would be a different story.

I simply called Vick an erratic qb and excellent athlete, where did I bash him? You may be overstating his “greatness” however espescially on the field with the Falcons.

It seems as if your a big fan of Vick thats fine, my opinions of him dont relate to this thread. IMO you cannot relate Vicks ordeal with Paternos…to me Paterno meant more to colegiate sports than Vick does professional football…im talking on and off of the field.

Paterno will never resusciate his image he will always be known for this atrocitie. Vick has already to an extent repaired his image and even to my own admission has done his due dilligence with the animal rights crowd.

I tell you this right now, this child abuse issue is something dear to my heart, I would Never defend a man that could of possibly saved so much heartache if he took the right actions. I am NOT trumpeting Paterno I am stating that no matter what GOOD he did for colegiate athletics it will never surpass the evil he allowed to happen…

[/quote]

read again or for the first time:

all i am saying is that the focus should be on the fact that paterno ignored sexual abuse going on within his program, people ignored vicks accomplishments and how important he was in the black community in order to make an example out of him, paterno should be treated as such and his acclompishments and status as a public figure should be ignored and he should be made an example of how sexual abuse is allowed to flourish especially in sports because no one wants to step up and talk about it and be the whistle blower, instead its been about how he donated money for a library and won a national championship over 20 years ago.

607

[quote]SmilingPolitely wrote:

[quote]scj119 wrote:

[quote]SmilingPolitely wrote:

I was listening to Cowherd this morning (I know. I know) and he made an interesting point. Penn State is in the middle of fucking no where. Who the hell is going to want to go there to coach and inherit that headache? The nearest cities/airports are Harrisburg and Altoona which are not really that close or great to begin with.

Tough sell to the wife and kids too…Hey. We are going to the boonies where the only thing going on is the college campus. No stores, no night life (for anyone NOT 18-22), nothing. And apparently, PSU is not known for paying a ton and will have to factor in at least a modest drop in alumni contributions and football revenue. Where is the incentive.

Without JoePa, that school is just another PA school in the middle of nowhere. [/quote]

I dunno. Is Columbus, OH an attractive place to live? Ann Arbor, MI? Rebuilding a storied program from scratch (who has a big enough name to help recruiting) is a coach’s wet dream, IMO[/quote]

Compared to State College? Yeah. I’d say Columbus and Ann Arbor are more attractive places to live. What the hell else is out there but the college? (Could also be that I am a biased Pitt grad :p)
[/quote]

The town is actually really nice. It appeals to people who like scenery and a quiet town (you can easily escape the party section of town if you want, it’s pretty confined). Some people prefer that to cities. Not to mention, if you’re talking about raising families as a coach… Penn State is a really good school to send your kids to, can pursue just about anything there.

608

[quote]scj119 wrote:
[Penn State is a really good school to send your kids to

[/quote]
Oh really?

609

[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:

[quote]xXxJoKeRxXx wrote:

[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:

[quote]xXxJoKeRxXx wrote:

[quote]pat wrote:

[quote]Derek542 wrote:

[quote]gregron wrote:

[quote]Derek542 wrote:

[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
http://msn.foxsports.com/collegefootball/story/Penn-State-top-recurit-will-not-attend-school-111011

And the demise of the program begins.[/quote]

If my kid was 6’5" and 300 pounds with potential NFL prospects I sure as hell would be telling him to de-commit and find another school. There will be a lot more after this.

This may make the SMU death sentence look tame when its all done.[/quote]

This isn’t an NCAA issue, it’s a criminal one. Penn State isn’t going to get hammered with NCAA sanctions.[/quote]

Not saying they will, the PR nightmare will cause that. [/quote]

They won’t level anything on the school because of what sandusky did, but they might because of the cover up. That was a school matter and I am going to go out on a limb with out knowing the NCAA by-laws intimately, that covering up a crime is a violation of some sort. They have shut programs down for less.
Hell, they’ll rape a player in the shower if he even allows somebody to by them dinner. I’d think this is bigger than that.
I just hope for the sake of the athletes they don’t screw the athletes. They are victims in this whole mess too.[/quote]

I’m beginning to wonder what was ever covered up by the school really? After the first suspicion of Sandusky’s pedo behavior, two State College Police investigators PLUS an investigator with the Pennsylvania Department of Public Welfare knew and interviewed Sandusky about the incident in '98 which he admitted to the hugging of the boy in the shower. Then County District Attorney decides there will be no criminal charge, but yet still don’t keep tabs or pay any attention to the fact the he is still in proximity to young boys in his Second Mile program? Everyone is out to crucity the school (as I was) but I’m not seeing as there are more people than the school that are to blame…
[/quote]

No, police were never notified of the fact that an adult witnessed Sandusky raping a 10 year old. The 2002 incident in the shower never went beyond administrators at the school.[/quote]

Yes I know that, I read the timeline too. But if it was out in the open to investigators that this had happened back in '98, what really was covered up by the school? It’s like the County just didn’t give a fuck the first time it happened. [/quote]

Uh, the witnessed raping of a 10 year old kid in the school locker room by a former coach?[/quote]

i guessed you missed or just passed over my previous post a few posts up

[quote]xXxJoKeRxXx wrote:

According to the timeline and grand jury findings, that is false. The school administration ‘supposedly’ told the Second Mile program that it had happened too, but no mention of law enforcement is correct
[/quote]

And not sure what difference that would of made anyway if the school told law enforcement anyway.

[quote]Spring 2008 Ã?¢?? Termination of contact with Victim 1 occurs when he is a freshman in a Clinton County high school. After the boy’s mother calls the school to report sexual assault, Sandusky is barred from the school district attended by Victim 1 from that day forward and the matter is reported to authorities as mandated by law.

Early 2009 �¢?? An investigation by the Pennsylvania attorney general begins when a Clinton County, Pa. teen boy tells authorities that Sandusky has inappropriately touched him several times over a four-year period.

September 2010 �¢?? Sandusky retires from day-to-day involvement with The Second Mile, saying he wants to spend more time with family and handle personal matters.[/quote]

Two years after even this incident which law enforcement knew about, no restraining order or mandate passed that Sandusky must terminate his involvement with the Second Mile program? Something reeks here way beyond just PSU. Authorities knew about this guy in '98, had eavesdropped on conversations, had Sandusky’s own admission that he ‘hugged a boy’ in the shower in '98 and admitted that ‘he knew it was wrong’. At that point if the Authorities are doing their job, they cut the head off the snake (pun intended), and forbid him to have anything to do with children groups etc etc. Total fail on law enforcement here 1st, PennSt 2nd. 2nd incident in 2002 would of, and should of, never happened if it was handled properly the first time.

Sounds like the county sheriff and his deputies, and the lawyer man in this town are fooootball fanssss.

610

[quote]dshroy wrote:

[quote]scj119 wrote:
[Penn State is a really good school to send your kids to

[/quote]
Oh really?[/quote]

Academically it has a great reputation, and you can pursue just about any major you want.

I don’t think the actions of a few administrators in the sports department make the quality of the education any worse than it was two weeks before this stuff came out.

611

[quote]scj119 wrote:

[quote]dshroy wrote:

[quote]scj119 wrote:
[Penn State is a really good school to send your kids to

[/quote]
Oh really?[/quote]

Academically it has a great reputation, and you can pursue just about any major you want.

I don’t think the actions of a few administrators in the sports department make the quality of the education any worse than it was two weeks before this stuff came out.
[/quote]

You totally missed the joke

612

[quote]scj119 wrote:

[quote]dshroy wrote:

[quote]scj119 wrote:
[Penn State is a really good school to send your kids to

[/quote]
Oh really?[/quote]

Academically it has a great reputation, and you can pursue just about any major you want.

[/quote]

Maybe not for long

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-11-11/pennsylvania-state-may-be-downgraded-by-moody-s-in-wake-of-abuse-scandal.html

613

[quote]therajraj wrote:

Maybe not for long

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-11-11/pennsylvania-state-may-be-downgraded-by-moody-s-in-wake-of-abuse-scandal.html[/quote]

best avi ever lol, add a Lakers hat to that and it’d be legendary (cowboys too)

614

I’m going to the game tomorrow. Anyone else headed to happy valley?

615

[quote]awesomeguy1234 wrote:

[quote]MattyXL wrote:

[quote]awesomeguy1234 wrote:

[quote]MattyXL wrote:

[quote]awesomeguy1234 wrote:

[quote]Edevus wrote:

[quote]awesomeguy1234 wrote:

there were people picketing and rallying calling for mike vicks head on a platter because he participated in the murdering of dogs, while joe paterno ignores the molestation and rape of young children at the hands of one of his top assistant coaches and people create mobs and riot in his defense…!?
[/quote]

Totally different (kind of) people. I don’t like this line of thought.
“If it rains, people complain! If it’s sunny, people complain! People are crazy and don’t know what they want!”.[/quote]

what do u mean ‘different kind’ of people?

they are both prominent public figures in athletics who knew of illegal activity going on under their watch and let it continue, granted vick participated and paterno did not, but i think its a more than fair comparison.[/quote]

How can you compare Vick to this issue…

Vick - Before his illegalites he was an erratic QB and excellent athlete who does not represent professional football and the best that it had to offer, he was simply a popular player and represented nothing off the field to many.

PSU (Paterno) - Was looked upon as all that is right with College Sports, was looked as the moral minority who turned his nose at other Universities for their questionable behavior, Paterno represented all that is or was right with Colgiate Athletics, he was loved and reveared for his reputation. To have known about these atrocities destroys his legend and what he represented.

Vick was not a living legend at the time, and when he was caught for his callous and horrible acts was just a professional football player. Even with this there were the “just a dog” people that still believed he received a raw deal.

At times no matter what the behavior there are people who are blinded by loyalty wether it be Vick or Paterno…

Just look at Michael fucking Jackson, he was viewed as the PERPTRATOR of fondling and sexual conduct of young boys yet there were and are jackasses still extolling his virtues!

The vick issue is a totally different and much smaller animal (pun intended)

EDIT: I guess under the general terms of your comparisons (i.e. Athletics, public figures, illegal activity) you can correlate the two…but not really[/quote]

  1. how does vick not represent professional football or the best it could offer? you said it yourself he was an incredible athlete, endless potential, inconsistent, but he found ways to win and coaches and analysts would spend endless amounts of time discussing how to defend him let alone hopefully contain him.

  2. granted paterno and psu never had any recruiting scandals, but vick before his jail term was extremely important and meant a lot to the city of atlanta and african americans as a role model along with being a source of pride for both and was very near considered a living legend among blacks, but i guess our opinion doesnt really count in these situations.

  3. people supported vick in spite of those who took the case as an opportunity to not support animal rights but to express their hatred for wealthy successfull black athletes, especially one that played quarterback. there was no unfair treatment of joe paterno in his firing and the riots completely disregarded the victims and the root of the problem which was paternos negligence in stopping ‘callous’ and ‘horrible’ acts of sexual abuse, not dog killing, SEXUAL ABUSE.

look back at your post and you yourself just took it as an opportunity to bash vick, trumpet about how great a man paterno is despite what we know now, and in the end admit that it is an understandable comparison.

[/quote]

Understandable comparison based on general terms…

Im not a Paterno booster in fact up until to this fiasco could care less about the man or PSU.

Comparing Michael Vick to Paterno is drivel, there is no comparison Paterno, represents more to College Athletics than Vick does to the NFL. If the comparison was Paterno and say a Jim Brown and his illustrious career on and off the football field it would be a different story.

I simply called Vick an erratic qb and excellent athlete, where did I bash him? You may be overstating his “greatness” however espescially on the field with the Falcons.

It seems as if your a big fan of Vick thats fine, my opinions of him dont relate to this thread. IMO you cannot relate Vicks ordeal with Paternos…to me Paterno meant more to colegiate sports than Vick does professional football…im talking on and off of the field.

Paterno will never resusciate his image he will always be known for this atrocitie. Vick has already to an extent repaired his image and even to my own admission has done his due dilligence with the animal rights crowd.

.

[/quote]

read again or for the first time:

all i am saying is that the focus should be on the fact that paterno ignored sexual abuse going on within his program, people ignored vicks accomplishments and how important he was in the black community in order to make an example out of him, paterno should be treated as such and his acclompishments and status as a public figure should be ignored and he should be made an example of how sexual abuse is allowed to flourish especially in sports because no one wants to step up and talk about it and be the whistle blower, instead its been about how he donated money for a library and won a national championship over 20 years ago.[/quote]

I read your posts, I agree with your above statement, however disagree with the comparison…maybe you should read my post, especially when I said the following

I tell you this right now, this child abuse issue is something dear to my heart, I would Never defend a man that could of possibly saved so much heartache if he took the right actions. I am NOT trumpeting Paterno I am stating that no matter what GOOD he did for colegiate athletics it will never surpass the evil he allowed to happen…

Basically Im saying exactly what you are, no matter what good he did it will never overshadow the bad he allowed to happen under his nose…

616

[quote]xXxJoKeRxXx wrote:
Two years after even this incident which law enforcement knew about, no restraining order or mandate passed that Sandusky must terminate his involvement with the Second Mile program? Something reeks here way beyond just PSU. Authorities knew about this guy in '98, had eavesdropped on conversations, had Sandusky’s own admission that he ‘hugged a boy’ in the shower in '98 and admitted that ‘he knew it was wrong’. At that point if the Authorities are doing their job, they cut the head off the snake (pun intended), and forbid him to have anything to do with children groups etc etc. Total fail on law enforcement here 1st, PennSt 2nd. 2nd incident in 2002 would of, and should of, never happened if it was handled properly the first time.

Sounds like the county sheriff and his deputies, and the lawyer man in this town are fooootball fanssss.

[/quote]

Great observations. Theirs definitely a lot of hanging chads here. You got corruption on many levels in and out of that school. Local authorities, and hell even some Fed involvement and yet NOTHING came of it and there was even an admission of behavior that certainly qualifies as molestation. I would even hug my own kids butt ass nekid in a shower. And the cherry on top in a terms of a mysteriously lost, presumed dead DA. A computer with no hard drive and a hard drive submerged and damaged beyond repair.
I don’t know how much of this shit is related, but we could be sitting at the tip of a humongous shit storm if things start linking together…

Go to your local police station and tell them you hugged a 10 year old unrelated child in a shower and see where you end up. That already is a crime and it was basically ignored even when admitted?

I am no fan of conspiracy theories, but there is just an awful lot shit that is very strange and doesn’t make sense on any level and none of it is explained at all… WTF?

I bet if you followed the money, you could unravel the mystery.

617

[quote]behexen wrote:
I’m going to the game tomorrow. Anyone else headed to happy valley?[/quote]

Hmmm, I not sure I’d want to, it doesn’t sound like it’d be a lot of fun…I’d probably go out of curiosity, but I don’t see this as you average hell raising tailgate and party. <-Without that, the experience lacks…

618

[quote]pat wrote:

[quote]xXxJoKeRxXx wrote:
Two years after even this incident which law enforcement knew about, no restraining order or mandate passed that Sandusky must terminate his involvement with the Second Mile program? Something reeks here way beyond just PSU. Authorities knew about this guy in '98, had eavesdropped on conversations, had Sandusky’s own admission that he ‘hugged a boy’ in the shower in '98 and admitted that ‘he knew it was wrong’. At that point if the Authorities are doing their job, they cut the head off the snake (pun intended), and forbid him to have anything to do with children groups etc etc. Total fail on law enforcement here 1st, PennSt 2nd. 2nd incident in 2002 would of, and should of, never happened if it was handled properly the first time.

Sounds like the county sheriff and his deputies, and the lawyer man in this town are fooootball fanssss.

[/quote]

Great observations. Theirs definitely a lot of hanging chads here. You got corruption on many levels in and out of that school. Local authorities, and hell even some Fed involvement and yet NOTHING came of it and there was even an admission of behavior that certainly qualifies as molestation. I would even hug my own kids butt ass nekid in a shower. And the cherry on top in a terms of a mysteriously lost, presumed dead DA. A computer with no hard drive and a hard drive submerged and damaged beyond repair.
I don’t know how much of this shit is related, but we could be sitting at the tip of a humongous shit storm if things start linking together…

Go to your local police station and tell them you hugged a 10 year old unrelated child in a shower and see where you end up. That already is a crime and it was basically ignored even when admitted?

I am no fan of conspiracy theories, but there is just an awful lot shit that is very strange and doesn’t make sense on any level and none of it is explained at all… WTF?

I bet if you followed the money, you could unravel the mystery.[/quote]

1st guy made some great points.

2nd guy made no sense. Follow the money? PSU football doesn’t pay county police.

edit - I’ll say again - the DA was not fucking related to this case. He had one charge on his desk in 1998 and decided not to prosecute and NOTHING was ever brought to his desk in the 7 years between that and his disappearance. Why would this case be a more likely reason for his disappearance than the major drug rings he busted and mob bosses he pissed off?

619

Well-written column about maintaining objectivity from one of my favorite sportswriters (Posnanski)… he’s been writing a book about Paterno for years and has some decent insight into the man.

620

[quote]scj119 wrote:

[quote]pat wrote:

[quote]xXxJoKeRxXx wrote:
Two years after even this incident which law enforcement knew about, no restraining order or mandate passed that Sandusky must terminate his involvement with the Second Mile program? Something reeks here way beyond just PSU. Authorities knew about this guy in '98, had eavesdropped on conversations, had Sandusky’s own admission that he ‘hugged a boy’ in the shower in '98 and admitted that ‘he knew it was wrong’. At that point if the Authorities are doing their job, they cut the head off the snake (pun intended), and forbid him to have anything to do with children groups etc etc. Total fail on law enforcement here 1st, PennSt 2nd. 2nd incident in 2002 would of, and should of, never happened if it was handled properly the first time.

Sounds like the county sheriff and his deputies, and the lawyer man in this town are fooootball fanssss.

[/quote]

Great observations. Theirs definitely a lot of hanging chads here. You got corruption on many levels in and out of that school. Local authorities, and hell even some Fed involvement and yet NOTHING came of it and there was even an admission of behavior that certainly qualifies as molestation. I would even hug my own kids butt ass nekid in a shower. And the cherry on top in a terms of a mysteriously lost, presumed dead DA. A computer with no hard drive and a hard drive submerged and damaged beyond repair.
I don’t know how much of this shit is related, but we could be sitting at the tip of a humongous shit storm if things start linking together…

Go to your local police station and tell them you hugged a 10 year old unrelated child in a shower and see where you end up. That already is a crime and it was basically ignored even when admitted?

I am no fan of conspiracy theories, but there is just an awful lot shit that is very strange and doesn’t make sense on any level and none of it is explained at all… WTF?

I bet if you followed the money, you could unravel the mystery.[/quote]

1st guy made some great points.

2nd guy made no sense. Follow the money? PSU football doesn’t pay county police.

edit - I’ll say again - the DA was not fucking related to this case. He had one charge on his desk in 1998 and decided not to prosecute and NOTHING was ever brought to his desk in the 7 years between that and his disappearance. Why would this case be a more likely reason for his disappearance than the major drug rings he busted and mob bosses he pissed off?
[/quote]

I think there is some valid points there. I’m not a conspiracy theorist, but there seems to be some unexplainable actions that just don’t add up, unless money, bribery, tickets, fear or something along those lines were involved. A mom knowing their son has been exposed to this sicko, who is still involved with the kids program after the fact, doesn’t speak out against it?? Something is fishy to me there. Also seems her conversation with Sandusky was geared to just get him stop it, rather than incriminate himself. (if that is all of the conversation that was overheard by school police/detectives whoever it was)

Even though McQueary (the grad assistant who witnessed the 2002 incident) was starting QB at PSU, the fact that he got a job as one of the assistant coaches shortly after he graduated from PSU is a little suspect. It happens I know, but sorta sounds like a 'lets keep this in house if possible)

I can’t wait till more gets out, and more heads roll. They all deserve to be exposed and fingered out if some sort of corruption was involved.

I agree with the fact that the DA part seems a little far fetched, and the possibility of his disappearance is related to another case, OR possibly his conscience finally caught up to him that he didn’t do what he should of done back in '98, and offed himself before this snowballed into the situation it is today, where it would look REALLY bad on him.