WTF Penn State?!?!?!

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[quote]Tex Ag wrote:

[quote]scj119 wrote:

[quote]SmilingPolitely wrote:

[quote]theuofh wrote:

[quote]gregron wrote:

[quote]Derek542 wrote:

[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
http://msn.foxsports.com/collegefootball/story/Penn-State-top-recurit-will-not-attend-school-111011

And the demise of the program begins.[/quote]

If my kid was 6’5" and 300 pounds with potential NFL prospects I sure as hell would be telling him to de-commit and find another school. There will be a lot more after this.

This may make the SMU death sentence look tame when its all done.[/quote]

This isn’t an NCAA issue, it’s a criminal one. Penn State isn’t going to get hammered with NCAA sanctions.[/quote]

Yes but the potential liabilities in criminal and civil suits against the university can seriously hurt the program, if not the university as a whole.

Not to mention having to rebuild an entire staff after gutting the last administration.
[/quote]

I was listening to Cowherd this morning (I know. I know) and he made an interesting point. Penn State is in the middle of fucking no where. Who the hell is going to want to go there to coach and inherit that headache? The nearest cities/airports are Harrisburg and Altoona which are not really that close or great to begin with.

Tough sell to the wife and kids too…Hey. We are going to the boonies where the only thing going on is the college campus. No stores, no night life (for anyone NOT 18-22), nothing. And apparently, PSU is not known for paying a ton and will have to factor in at least a modest drop in alumni contributions and football revenue. Where is the incentive.

Without JoePa, that school is just another PA school in the middle of nowhere. [/quote]

I dunno. Is Columbus, OH an attractive place to live? Ann Arbor, MI? Rebuilding a storied program from scratch (who has a big enough name to help recruiting) is a coach’s wet dream, IMO[/quote]

Columbus is an armpit. I was at top ranked program there for grad school and they were having trouble keeping faculty there. In one year two professors left the program, both vocal on leaving to a place the could raise kids.

Ann Arbor routinely makes Best Place to Live lists.[/quote]

I’ve never been to Columbus, but I can say that there is not much in or around State College. You have trees. That’s it. For a coach, it is a great situation, but if his family has any sort of input then I would think it would be hard to convince them to move to the boonies.

I don’t really care either way. But my brain is close to exploding from all this PSU talk and I thought I would at least mix it up a little.

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[quote]Tex Ag wrote:

[quote]scj119 wrote:

[quote]SmilingPolitely wrote:

[quote]theuofh wrote:

[quote]gregron wrote:

[quote]Derek542 wrote:

[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
http://msn.foxsports.com/collegefootball/story/Penn-State-top-recurit-will-not-attend-school-111011

And the demise of the program begins.[/quote]

If my kid was 6’5" and 300 pounds with potential NFL prospects I sure as hell would be telling him to de-commit and find another school. There will be a lot more after this.

This may make the SMU death sentence look tame when its all done.[/quote]

This isn’t an NCAA issue, it’s a criminal one. Penn State isn’t going to get hammered with NCAA sanctions.[/quote]

Yes but the potential liabilities in criminal and civil suits against the university can seriously hurt the program, if not the university as a whole.

Not to mention having to rebuild an entire staff after gutting the last administration.
[/quote]

I was listening to Cowherd this morning (I know. I know) and he made an interesting point. Penn State is in the middle of fucking no where. Who the hell is going to want to go there to coach and inherit that headache? The nearest cities/airports are Harrisburg and Altoona which are not really that close or great to begin with.

Tough sell to the wife and kids too…Hey. We are going to the boonies where the only thing going on is the college campus. No stores, no night life (for anyone NOT 18-22), nothing. And apparently, PSU is not known for paying a ton and will have to factor in at least a modest drop in alumni contributions and football revenue. Where is the incentive.

Without JoePa, that school is just another PA school in the middle of nowhere. [/quote]

I dunno. Is Columbus, OH an attractive place to live? Ann Arbor, MI? Rebuilding a storied program from scratch (who has a big enough name to help recruiting) is a coach’s wet dream, IMO[/quote]

Columbus is an armpit. I was at top ranked program there for grad school and they were having trouble keeping faculty there. In one year two professors left the program, both vocal on leaving to a place the could raise kids.

Ann Arbor routinely makes Best Place to Live lists.[/quote]

Columbus seems to have a lot to offer as far as cities go. Sounds like you have more experience with it than I, but I have a co-worker that raised his family there and he makes it sound nice.

Ann Arbor is a great town surrounded by a lot of natural beauty, if you can get past the Birkenstock crowd. The official definition of AA is “22 square miles surrounded by reality”.

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I’d rather live in the boonies than somewhere like Columbus.

All day long.

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[quote]Testy1 wrote:

[quote]Tex Ag wrote:

[quote]scj119 wrote:

[quote]SmilingPolitely wrote:

[quote]theuofh wrote:

[quote]gregron wrote:

[quote]Derek542 wrote:

[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
http://msn.foxsports.com/collegefootball/story/Penn-State-top-recurit-will-not-attend-school-111011

And the demise of the program begins.[/quote]

If my kid was 6’5" and 300 pounds with potential NFL prospects I sure as hell would be telling him to de-commit and find another school. There will be a lot more after this.

This may make the SMU death sentence look tame when its all done.[/quote]

This isn’t an NCAA issue, it’s a criminal one. Penn State isn’t going to get hammered with NCAA sanctions.[/quote]

Yes but the potential liabilities in criminal and civil suits against the university can seriously hurt the program, if not the university as a whole.

Not to mention having to rebuild an entire staff after gutting the last administration.
[/quote]

I was listening to Cowherd this morning (I know. I know) and he made an interesting point. Penn State is in the middle of fucking no where. Who the hell is going to want to go there to coach and inherit that headache? The nearest cities/airports are Harrisburg and Altoona which are not really that close or great to begin with.

Tough sell to the wife and kids too…Hey. We are going to the boonies where the only thing going on is the college campus. No stores, no night life (for anyone NOT 18-22), nothing. And apparently, PSU is not known for paying a ton and will have to factor in at least a modest drop in alumni contributions and football revenue. Where is the incentive.

Without JoePa, that school is just another PA school in the middle of nowhere. [/quote]

I dunno. Is Columbus, OH an attractive place to live? Ann Arbor, MI? Rebuilding a storied program from scratch (who has a big enough name to help recruiting) is a coach’s wet dream, IMO[/quote]

Columbus is an armpit. I was at top ranked program there for grad school and they were having trouble keeping faculty there. In one year two professors left the program, both vocal on leaving to a place the could raise kids.

Ann Arbor routinely makes Best Place to Live lists.[/quote]

Columbus seems to have a lot to offer as far as cities go. Sounds like you have more experience with it than I, but I have a co-worker that raised his family there and he makes it sound nice.

Ann Arbor is a great town surrounded by a lot of natural beauty, if you can get past the Birkenstock crowd. The official definition of AA is “22 square miles surrounded by reality”.
[/quote]

Same can be said about Boulder.

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[quote]BradTGIF wrote:

[quote]Testy1 wrote:

[quote]Tex Ag wrote:

[quote]scj119 wrote:

[quote]SmilingPolitely wrote:

[quote]theuofh wrote:

[quote]gregron wrote:

[quote]Derek542 wrote:

[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
http://msn.foxsports.com/collegefootball/story/Penn-State-top-recurit-will-not-attend-school-111011

And the demise of the program begins.[/quote]

If my kid was 6’5" and 300 pounds with potential NFL prospects I sure as hell would be telling him to de-commit and find another school. There will be a lot more after this.

This may make the SMU death sentence look tame when its all done.[/quote]

This isn’t an NCAA issue, it’s a criminal one. Penn State isn’t going to get hammered with NCAA sanctions.[/quote]

Yes but the potential liabilities in criminal and civil suits against the university can seriously hurt the program, if not the university as a whole.

Not to mention having to rebuild an entire staff after gutting the last administration.
[/quote]

I was listening to Cowherd this morning (I know. I know) and he made an interesting point. Penn State is in the middle of fucking no where. Who the hell is going to want to go there to coach and inherit that headache? The nearest cities/airports are Harrisburg and Altoona which are not really that close or great to begin with.

Tough sell to the wife and kids too…Hey. We are going to the boonies where the only thing going on is the college campus. No stores, no night life (for anyone NOT 18-22), nothing. And apparently, PSU is not known for paying a ton and will have to factor in at least a modest drop in alumni contributions and football revenue. Where is the incentive.

Without JoePa, that school is just another PA school in the middle of nowhere. [/quote]

I dunno. Is Columbus, OH an attractive place to live? Ann Arbor, MI? Rebuilding a storied program from scratch (who has a big enough name to help recruiting) is a coach’s wet dream, IMO[/quote]

Columbus is an armpit. I was at top ranked program there for grad school and they were having trouble keeping faculty there. In one year two professors left the program, both vocal on leaving to a place the could raise kids.

Ann Arbor routinely makes Best Place to Live lists.[/quote]

Columbus seems to have a lot to offer as far as cities go. Sounds like you have more experience with it than I, but I have a co-worker that raised his family there and he makes it sound nice.

Ann Arbor is a great town surrounded by a lot of natural beauty, if you can get past the Birkenstock crowd. The official definition of AA is “22 square miles surrounded by reality”.
[/quote]

Same can be said about Boulder.[/quote]

I like Ann Arbor, though in many ways it is at best a watered down Austin. Boulder always gives me the creeps. I think it has to do with Mork and Mindy, Mork is the only one who did not seem to have skeletons in his closet. Mindy’s dad creeped me out. I do not know if I will ever get past that and do not really care.

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[quote]Testy1 wrote:

[quote]Tex Ag wrote:

[quote]scj119 wrote:

[quote]SmilingPolitely wrote:

[quote]theuofh wrote:

[quote]gregron wrote:

[quote]Derek542 wrote:

[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
http://msn.foxsports.com/collegefootball/story/Penn-State-top-recurit-will-not-attend-school-111011

And the demise of the program begins.[/quote]

If my kid was 6’5" and 300 pounds with potential NFL prospects I sure as hell would be telling him to de-commit and find another school. There will be a lot more after this.

This may make the SMU death sentence look tame when its all done.[/quote]

This isn’t an NCAA issue, it’s a criminal one. Penn State isn’t going to get hammered with NCAA sanctions.[/quote]

Yes but the potential liabilities in criminal and civil suits against the university can seriously hurt the program, if not the university as a whole.

Not to mention having to rebuild an entire staff after gutting the last administration.
[/quote]

I was listening to Cowherd this morning (I know. I know) and he made an interesting point. Penn State is in the middle of fucking no where. Who the hell is going to want to go there to coach and inherit that headache? The nearest cities/airports are Harrisburg and Altoona which are not really that close or great to begin with.

Tough sell to the wife and kids too…Hey. We are going to the boonies where the only thing going on is the college campus. No stores, no night life (for anyone NOT 18-22), nothing. And apparently, PSU is not known for paying a ton and will have to factor in at least a modest drop in alumni contributions and football revenue. Where is the incentive.

Without JoePa, that school is just another PA school in the middle of nowhere. [/quote]

I dunno. Is Columbus, OH an attractive place to live? Ann Arbor, MI? Rebuilding a storied program from scratch (who has a big enough name to help recruiting) is a coach’s wet dream, IMO[/quote]

Columbus is an armpit. I was at top ranked program there for grad school and they were having trouble keeping faculty there. In one year two professors left the program, both vocal on leaving to a place the could raise kids.

Ann Arbor routinely makes Best Place to Live lists.[/quote]

Columbus seems to have a lot to offer as far as cities go. Sounds like you have more experience with it than I, but I have a co-worker that raised his family there and he makes it sound nice.

Ann Arbor is a great town surrounded by a lot of natural beauty, if you can get past the Birkenstock crowd. The official definition of AA is “22 square miles surrounded by reality”.
[/quote]

I went to OSU and Columbus is a nice city. The suburbs are pretty much equivalent to any other mid-west suburb. Its as good as place as any to raise a family.

If you want nature and woods, just drive an hour west or southwest and you will have all you want.

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[quote]gregron wrote:

[quote]Derek542 wrote:

[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
http://msn.foxsports.com/collegefootball/story/Penn-State-top-recurit-will-not-attend-school-111011

And the demise of the program begins.[/quote]

If my kid was 6’5" and 300 pounds with potential NFL prospects I sure as hell would be telling him to de-commit and find another school. There will be a lot more after this.

This may make the SMU death sentence look tame when its all done.[/quote]

This isn’t an NCAA issue, it’s a criminal one. Penn State isn’t going to get hammered with NCAA sanctions.[/quote]

Not saying they will, the PR nightmare will cause that.

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I like Boulder a lot. Folsom is a stadium like no other. And I’ve always had a soft spot for the Buffs because of McCartney, a former Michigan assistant.

As for the surrounding areas? It’s beautiful

As for the white granolas with dreadlocks that drive BMW’s? Yeah that’s a little off putting.

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[quote]theuofh wrote:

[quote]Testy1 wrote:

[quote]Tex Ag wrote:

[quote]scj119 wrote:

[quote]SmilingPolitely wrote:

[quote]theuofh wrote:

[quote]gregron wrote:

[quote]Derek542 wrote:

[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
http://msn.foxsports.com/collegefootball/story/Penn-State-top-recurit-will-not-attend-school-111011

And the demise of the program begins.[/quote]

If my kid was 6’5" and 300 pounds with potential NFL prospects I sure as hell would be telling him to de-commit and find another school. There will be a lot more after this.

This may make the SMU death sentence look tame when its all done.[/quote]

This isn’t an NCAA issue, it’s a criminal one. Penn State isn’t going to get hammered with NCAA sanctions.[/quote]

Yes but the potential liabilities in criminal and civil suits against the university can seriously hurt the program, if not the university as a whole.

Not to mention having to rebuild an entire staff after gutting the last administration.
[/quote]

I was listening to Cowherd this morning (I know. I know) and he made an interesting point. Penn State is in the middle of fucking no where. Who the hell is going to want to go there to coach and inherit that headache? The nearest cities/airports are Harrisburg and Altoona which are not really that close or great to begin with.

Tough sell to the wife and kids too…Hey. We are going to the boonies where the only thing going on is the college campus. No stores, no night life (for anyone NOT 18-22), nothing. And apparently, PSU is not known for paying a ton and will have to factor in at least a modest drop in alumni contributions and football revenue. Where is the incentive.

Without JoePa, that school is just another PA school in the middle of nowhere. [/quote]

I dunno. Is Columbus, OH an attractive place to live? Ann Arbor, MI? Rebuilding a storied program from scratch (who has a big enough name to help recruiting) is a coach’s wet dream, IMO[/quote]

Columbus is an armpit. I was at top ranked program there for grad school and they were having trouble keeping faculty there. In one year two professors left the program, both vocal on leaving to a place the could raise kids.

Ann Arbor routinely makes Best Place to Live lists.[/quote]

Columbus seems to have a lot to offer as far as cities go. Sounds like you have more experience with it than I, but I have a co-worker that raised his family there and he makes it sound nice.

Ann Arbor is a great town surrounded by a lot of natural beauty, if you can get past the Birkenstock crowd. The official definition of AA is “22 square miles surrounded by reality”.
[/quote]

I went to OSU and Columbus is a nice city. The suburbs are pretty much equivalent to any other mid-west suburb. Its as good as place as any to raise a family.

If you want nature and woods, just drive an hour west or southwest and you will have all you want. [/quote]

The problem may rest here “suburbs are pretty much equivalent to any other mid-west suburb.” I know a lot of really nice people from the Mid-West, wife included, but I tend to find the culture a bit too angry in general. Might be that I was spoiled at A&M, it really is a very friendly campus where strangers would acknowledge and talk to each other, and no one spoke to on the OSU campus except one Mormon young lady. The school was nice enough but, man, I hated the town. Weather sucked, “slush-belt,” food was eh.

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[quote]BradTGIF wrote:

I like Boulder a lot. Folsom is a stadium like no other. And I’ve always had a soft spot for the Buffs because of McCartney, a former Michigan assistant.

As for the surrounding areas? It’s beautiful[/quote]

I like the front range area, lived in downtown Denver for years.

[quote]BradTGIF wrote:
As for the white granolas with dreadlocks that drive BMW’s? Yeah that’s a little off putting.
[/quote]

Are you referring to the Trustafarians?

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I really didn’t want to contribute to the derailing, but “trustafarians” is fantastic. While I’m at it, Austin is now a watered down version of Austin.

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[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:
I really didn’t want to contribute to the derailing, but “trustafarians” is fantastic. While I’m at it, Austin is now a watered down version of Austin.[/quote]

Trustafarians was an established term there when I first heard it.

Too true about Austin, not the same since IBM expanded there in the early 80s. Still better than most places.

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After reading the timeline of events, many, many people dropped the ball on this along with JoePa. Obviously being the highest profile figure, he’ll fall the furthest.

After scrolling through the timeline over and over, it’s quite disturbing the more I look it over.

[quote]Cliffs, prior vicitims to 1998…
1998, mother of victim reports to Univ. Police, they investigate. Eavesdrop on two conversations between mother and Sandusky, where he refuses request of mother to stop showering with boys, then when told by mother he won’t see boy again, makes apologetic plea for forgiveness.

Public State Department investigator interviews Sandusky where he admits to showering and ‘hugging’ the boy, apologizes and D.A. does not pursue to investigate/prosecute further [/quote]

Wondering if 50 yard line tickets were involved. How the State Department knew of this situation, and possible future occurance with his proximity to kids, and didn’t shut down this Second Mile program, or at least banish Sandusky from it with his self admitted wrong doing is totally fucked up. Every involved in the investigative and enforcement aspect of this situation should be fired or forced to resign too.

Obviously with the investigation and happenings going on, at this point I find it hard to believe that Paterno wasn’t aware of anything. Nonetheless, Sandusky retires the following year.

[quote]
Fall 2000 ? A janitor observes Sandusky violating young boy in shower. Reports to other staff, another employee see’s him and same boy in showers[/quote]
again, reported to superior, nothing said if it was reported to law enforcement in article, more people dropping the ball, possibly for 50 yard line tix. State Department had done their job, this boy may have been spared.

[quote]March 2002
graduate assistant sees boy being violated by Sandusky, tell Paterno next morning, who then reports to Curley the Athletic Director. Later grad assistant meets with Curley and VP, retells what was seen, and is told that Sandusky’s locker room privileges have been taken away, and that they reported it to The Second Mile. Grad assistant never questioned by any type of law enforcement until he testifies in Grand Jury in 2010.[/quote]

Either a flat out lie that it was reported to the Second Mile, or at this point the Second Mile is the sickest organization on the face of the earth for not reporting it to police and again, not barring Sandusky from taking part. If what is said is true in the timeline, it appears this is the only proof that this stage of events, it’s the first time Paterno knows he’s got a pedo on his hands. I find it hard to believe he still didn’t know or hear anything from the '98 incident at this point. And not going straight to police is sorta questionable conduct. If it was taken care of at this point, another victim could of been spared.

Point being, there is a lot of bumbling around that happened here, not only by Penn St. but by investigators and the State Dept. for continuing to allow this sorry excuse of a man to be in the presence of impressionable young boys. How word of this didn’t get out to the general public at the beginning of '98 I don’t know. I think if I were the parent of that boy I would be making it a point to warn others that this predator in the Second Mile program is violating kids. She IMO also dropped the ball.

[quote]2008
boy’s mother calls the school to report sexual assault, matter is reported to authorities as mandated by law.

September 2010: Sandusky retires from day-to-day involvement with The Second Mile, saying he wants to spend more time with family and handle personal matters[/quote]
Two years after the fact from this incident which law enforcement knew about, he is STILL in contact with young boys, even though they must have had evidence/reports dating back to '98 that this guy was a pedo?? Too many people fucked up here. Obviously the system in that area is totally fucked up, and not knowing but from what I read, reeks of small town justice. Many more people should hang for this beyond Penn St officials and JoePa, sadly though they are getting all the attention. We are forgetting that these are so far the only people and incidents that have come forward to tell their story, and have them investigated. Who knows how much more actually happened.

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[quote]Derek542 wrote:

[quote]gregron wrote:

[quote]Derek542 wrote:

[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
http://msn.foxsports.com/collegefootball/story/Penn-State-top-recurit-will-not-attend-school-111011

And the demise of the program begins.[/quote]

If my kid was 6’5" and 300 pounds with potential NFL prospects I sure as hell would be telling him to de-commit and find another school. There will be a lot more after this.

This may make the SMU death sentence look tame when its all done.[/quote]

This isn’t an NCAA issue, it’s a criminal one. Penn State isn’t going to get hammered with NCAA sanctions.[/quote]

Not saying they will, the PR nightmare will cause that. [/quote]

They won’t level anything on the school because of what sandusky did, but they might because of the cover up. That was a school matter and I am going to go out on a limb with out knowing the NCAA by-laws intimately, that covering up a crime is a violation of some sort. They have shut programs down for less.
Hell, they’ll rape a player in the shower if he even allows somebody to by them dinner. I’d think this is bigger than that.
I just hope for the sake of the athletes they don’t screw the athletes. They are victims in this whole mess too.

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[quote]Tex Ag wrote:

[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:
I really didn’t want to contribute to the derailing, but “trustafarians” is fantastic. While I’m at it, Austin is now a watered down version of Austin.[/quote]

Trustafarians was an established term there when I first heard it.

Too true about Austin, not the same since IBM expanded there in the early 80s. Still better than most places.[/quote]

I’m 29, so not old enough to know about the early 80’s, but even the difference from the late 90’s to now is huge. The running joke is “you want to be the last person to move to Austin”, 'cause it gets a little more watered down with each yuppie who moves there after hearing how cool it is.

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[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:

[quote]Tex Ag wrote:

[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:
I really didn’t want to contribute to the derailing, but “trustafarians” is fantastic. While I’m at it, Austin is now a watered down version of Austin.[/quote]

Trustafarians was an established term there when I first heard it.

Too true about Austin, not the same since IBM expanded there in the early 80s. Still better than most places.[/quote]

I’m 29, so not old enough to know about the early 80’s, but even the difference from the late 90’s to now is huge. The running joke is “you want to be the last person to move to Austin”, 'cause it gets a little more watered down with each yuppie who moves there after hearing how cool it is.[/quote]

Same thing happens with every cool town. When I grew up in Boulder, there was crazy indie everything, and in hindsight it really was a cool small town. Now, I go there, and it’s complete hippie corporate shit.

Also, there are more Lesbarus than BMWs, better in the snow and not as ostentatious.

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[quote]pat wrote:

[quote]Derek542 wrote:

[quote]gregron wrote:

[quote]Derek542 wrote:

[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
http://msn.foxsports.com/collegefootball/story/Penn-State-top-recurit-will-not-attend-school-111011

And the demise of the program begins.[/quote]

If my kid was 6’5" and 300 pounds with potential NFL prospects I sure as hell would be telling him to de-commit and find another school. There will be a lot more after this.

This may make the SMU death sentence look tame when its all done.[/quote]

This isn’t an NCAA issue, it’s a criminal one. Penn State isn’t going to get hammered with NCAA sanctions.[/quote]

Not saying they will, the PR nightmare will cause that. [/quote]

They won’t level anything on the school because of what sandusky did, but they might because of the cover up. That was a school matter and I am going to go out on a limb with out knowing the NCAA by-laws intimately, that covering up a crime is a violation of some sort. They have shut programs down for less.
Hell, they’ll rape a player in the shower if he even allows somebody to by them dinner. I’d think this is bigger than that.
I just hope for the sake of the athletes they don’t screw the athletes. They are victims in this whole mess too.[/quote]

I’m beginning to wonder what was ever covered up by the school really, other than they let him keep using the shower facility to lure boys into? After the first suspicion of Sandusky’s pedo behavior, two State College Police investigators PLUS an investigator with the Pennsylvania Department of Public Welfare knew and interviewed Sandusky about the incident in '98 which he admitted to the hugging of the boy in the shower. Then County District Attorney decides there will be no criminal charge, but yet still don’t keep tabs or pay any attention to the fact the he is still in proximity to young boys in his Second Mile program? Everyone is out to crucity the school (as I was) but I’m not seeing as there are more people than the school that are to blame…

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[quote]xXxJoKeRxXx wrote:

[quote]pat wrote:

[quote]Derek542 wrote:

[quote]gregron wrote:

[quote]Derek542 wrote:

[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
http://msn.foxsports.com/collegefootball/story/Penn-State-top-recurit-will-not-attend-school-111011

And the demise of the program begins.[/quote]

If my kid was 6’5" and 300 pounds with potential NFL prospects I sure as hell would be telling him to de-commit and find another school. There will be a lot more after this.

This may make the SMU death sentence look tame when its all done.[/quote]

This isn’t an NCAA issue, it’s a criminal one. Penn State isn’t going to get hammered with NCAA sanctions.[/quote]

Not saying they will, the PR nightmare will cause that. [/quote]

They won’t level anything on the school because of what sandusky did, but they might because of the cover up. That was a school matter and I am going to go out on a limb with out knowing the NCAA by-laws intimately, that covering up a crime is a violation of some sort. They have shut programs down for less.
Hell, they’ll rape a player in the shower if he even allows somebody to by them dinner. I’d think this is bigger than that.
I just hope for the sake of the athletes they don’t screw the athletes. They are victims in this whole mess too.[/quote]

I’m beginning to wonder what was ever covered up by the school really? After the first suspicion of Sandusky’s pedo behavior, two State College Police investigators PLUS an investigator with the Pennsylvania Department of Public Welfare knew and interviewed Sandusky about the incident in '98 which he admitted to the hugging of the boy in the shower. Then County District Attorney decides there will be no criminal charge, but yet still don’t keep tabs or pay any attention to the fact the he is still in proximity to young boys in his Second Mile program? Everyone is out to crucity the school (as I was) but I’m not seeing as there are more people than the school that are to blame…
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No, police were never notified of the fact that an adult witnessed Sandusky raping a 10 year old. The 2002 incident in the shower never went beyond administrators at the school.

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[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:

[quote]xXxJoKeRxXx wrote:

[quote]pat wrote:

[quote]Derek542 wrote:

[quote]gregron wrote:

[quote]Derek542 wrote:

[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
http://msn.foxsports.com/collegefootball/story/Penn-State-top-recurit-will-not-attend-school-111011

And the demise of the program begins.[/quote]

If my kid was 6’5" and 300 pounds with potential NFL prospects I sure as hell would be telling him to de-commit and find another school. There will be a lot more after this.

This may make the SMU death sentence look tame when its all done.[/quote]

This isn’t an NCAA issue, it’s a criminal one. Penn State isn’t going to get hammered with NCAA sanctions.[/quote]

Not saying they will, the PR nightmare will cause that. [/quote]

They won’t level anything on the school because of what sandusky did, but they might because of the cover up. That was a school matter and I am going to go out on a limb with out knowing the NCAA by-laws intimately, that covering up a crime is a violation of some sort. They have shut programs down for less.
Hell, they’ll rape a player in the shower if he even allows somebody to by them dinner. I’d think this is bigger than that.
I just hope for the sake of the athletes they don’t screw the athletes. They are victims in this whole mess too.[/quote]

I’m beginning to wonder what was ever covered up by the school really? After the first suspicion of Sandusky’s pedo behavior, two State College Police investigators PLUS an investigator with the Pennsylvania Department of Public Welfare knew and interviewed Sandusky about the incident in '98 which he admitted to the hugging of the boy in the shower. Then County District Attorney decides there will be no criminal charge, but yet still don’t keep tabs or pay any attention to the fact the he is still in proximity to young boys in his Second Mile program? Everyone is out to crucity the school (as I was) but I’m not seeing as there are more people than the school that are to blame…
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No, police were never notified of the fact that an adult witnessed Sandusky raping a 10 year old. The 2002 incident in the shower never went beyond administrators at the school.[/quote]

Yes I know that, I read the timeline too. But if it was out in the open to investigators that this had happened back in '98, what really was covered up by the school? It’s like the County just didn’t give a fuck the first time it happened.

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Same thing happens with every cool town. When I grew up in Boulder, there was crazy indie everything, and in hindsight it really was a cool small town. Now, I go there, and it’s complete hippie corporate shit.

Also, there are more Lesbarus than BMWs, better in the snow and not as ostentatious.
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Boulder moved to Nederland