http://msn.foxsports.com/collegefootball/story/Penn-State-top-recurit-will-not-attend-school-111011
And the demise of the program begins.
[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:
Jesus fucking Christ. Paterno ADMITTED to being told that Sandusky was raping/fondling/horsing around with a naked 10 year old boy in the locker rooms after hours. Again, HE ADMITTED THIS. Don’t know how many times we can say this.[/quote]
I think BG is trolling us, there is no other explanation.
It’s working BG!!!
/he will now respond to this quote instead of the others with the evidence in them.
[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
http://msn.foxsports.com/collegefootball/story/Penn-State-top-recurit-will-not-attend-school-111011
And the demise of the program begins.[/quote]
If my kid was 6’5" and 300 pounds with potential NFL prospects I sure as hell would be telling him to de-commit and find another school. There will be a lot more after this.
This may make the SMU death sentence look tame when its all done.
[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:
I’ll say it again; I do not believe for one minute that Joe Pa knew abuse was occurring and turned a blind eye. I don’t buy it. If however, after a full airing of the FACTS in this case, it points to Joe Pa knowing, I’ll lead the lynch mob.
I don’t know how many times I can repeat the same fucking thing.
[/quote]
What the hell are you even talking about? You can’t be this dense, you have to be trolling at this point.
You don’t believe for one minute that JoePa knew about abuse and turned a blind eye? He was told (he testified to this) that he was told by McQueary that Sandusky was fondling a young boy in the shower. JoePa continues to tolerate the presence of Sandusky for almost another decade. How is that not turning a blind eye?
[quote]UtahLama wrote:
[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:
Jesus fucking Christ. Paterno ADMITTED to being told that Sandusky was raping/fondling/horsing around with a naked 10 year old boy in the locker rooms after hours. Again, HE ADMITTED THIS. Don’t know how many times we can say this.[/quote]
I think BG is trolling us, there is no other explanation.
It’s working BG!!!
/he will now respond to this quote instead of the others with the evidence in them.[/quote]
No, he is going to zero in on the ‘horsing around’ part and start ranting about how horsing around isn’t the same as raping or fondling.
Because naked 60-year old men typically horse around with naked 10-year old boys for the pure, innocent enjoyment of it.
[quote]Derek542 wrote:
[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
http://msn.foxsports.com/collegefootball/story/Penn-State-top-recurit-will-not-attend-school-111011
And the demise of the program begins.[/quote]
If my kid was 6’5" and 300 pounds with potential NFL prospects I sure as hell would be telling him to de-commit and find another school. There will be a lot more after this.
This may make the SMU death sentence look tame when its all done.[/quote]
This isn’t an NCAA issue, it’s a criminal one. Penn State isn’t going to get hammered with NCAA sanctions.
[quote]gregron wrote:
[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:
I’ll say it again; I do not believe for one minute that Joe Pa knew abuse was occurring and turned a blind eye. I don’t buy it. If however, after a full airing of the FACTS in this case, it points to Joe Pa knowing, I’ll lead the lynch mob.
I don’t know how many times I can repeat the same fucking thing.
[/quote]
What the hell are you even talking about? You can’t be this dense, you have to be trolling at this point.
You don’t believe for one minute that JoePa knew about abuse and turned a blind eye? He was told (he testified to this) that he was told by McQueary that Sandusky was fondling a young boy in the shower. JoePa continues to tolerate the presence of Sandusky for almost another decade. How is that not turning a blind eye?[/quote]
Now who’s being dense? I’ve said this before…many times now…maybe you’re trolling (as usual), or, you’re not as cute/clever as you fancy yourself…I’ve said, more than once…
And what was Joe Pa told of the results of any such investigation? We don’t know. What if it was reported back to him that it was “unfounded” or a misunderstanding or something less than what it really wa? What we do know, is it is alleged that his superiors engaged in a cover-up. What if Paterno was similarly misled? Paterno IS a witness for the prosecution. He runs a national D1 football program. Are you going to argue he should have spearheaded the investigation too? Or was it unreasonable to rely upon the University to conduct an appropriate investigation? Answer.
Again, I want to know what he knew, and when.
[quote]gregron wrote:
[quote]Derek542 wrote:
[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
http://msn.foxsports.com/collegefootball/story/Penn-State-top-recurit-will-not-attend-school-111011
And the demise of the program begins.[/quote]
If my kid was 6’5" and 300 pounds with potential NFL prospects I sure as hell would be telling him to de-commit and find another school. There will be a lot more after this.
This may make the SMU death sentence look tame when its all done.[/quote]
This isn’t an NCAA issue, it’s a criminal one. Penn State isn’t going to get hammered with NCAA sanctions.[/quote]
Yes but the potential liabilities in criminal and civil suits against the university can seriously hurt the program, if not the university as a whole.
Not to mention having to rebuild an entire staff after gutting the last administration.
[quote]UtahLama wrote:
And further…this is not a municipal pool or gym locker room…this is a COLLEGE FOOTBALL LOCKER ROOM.
If you can explain why 60 year old dude was showering with a 10 year old boy in the dark, please enlighten me.
McQuery told Paterno this…Paterno did not stop Sandusky from coming back on campus and around the program.
Fired.[/quote]
I didn’t know it was dark.
Was that related to Paterno?
So they were showering in a completely dark shower? Is that what the report states?
And, assuming the above was true, Paterno reported the conduct. Now, do we know what was reported back to Paterno in terms of the outcome of the University’s investigation? No? Because it seems to me that it’s pretty clear that Paterno’s superiors are claiming a lot of waffling about what actually happened. No chance Paterno is misled?
Do much critical thinking? I do. It’s why I want ALL THE FACTS AND TIMELINES.
I guess it boils down to this: I don’t believe decent people would turn a blind eye to this heinous shit. I believe Paterno’s body of work shows him to be “decent”. I want to know all the facts. Wow. Imagine that…someone wanting all the FACTS BEFORE PASSING JUDGMENT. LOL
As for McCleary, if he witnessed what he did, he should have been shouting from the mountaintops. Yet he continued to work there. Something does NOT add up.
For instance, could you go to work one day, witness a 10 year old being raped, report it, know nothing happened and continue to return to work each day for years??? Could you?
There has to be more to this story.
Besides, despite TBG’s professed expertise on public showers, the fact that someone who WAS intimately familiar with the locker room atmosphere felt the need to REPORT what he witnessed is a pretty big clue that what he stumbled across wasn’t simply an adult showering with a child in the general vicinity and would most likely classify as being more than “the least bit odd”.
[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:
Jesus fucking Christ. Paterno ADMITTED to being told that Sandusky was raping/fondling/horsing around with a naked 10 year old boy in the locker rooms after hours. Again, HE ADMITTED THIS. Don’t know how many times we can say this.[/quote]
At that point it’s an ALLEGATION. Even if you don’t agree with my point, is it possible you can so widely miss the point?
And HE REPORTED IT!!!
My question is what was Paterno informed as to the outcome of any investigation. What’s so hard to grasp about that?
[quote]anonym wrote:
[quote]UtahLama wrote:
[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:
Jesus fucking Christ. Paterno ADMITTED to being told that Sandusky was raping/fondling/horsing around with a naked 10 year old boy in the locker rooms after hours. Again, HE ADMITTED THIS. Don’t know how many times we can say this.[/quote]
I think BG is trolling us, there is no other explanation.
It’s working BG!!!
/he will now respond to this quote instead of the others with the evidence in them.[/quote]
No, he is going to zero in on the ‘horsing around’ part and start ranting about how horsing around isn’t the same as raping or fondling.
Because naked 60-year old men typically horse around with naked 10-year old boys for the pure, innocent enjoyment of it.
[/quote]
No. I’m zeroing in on what Paterno was informed after the University “investigated”. I WANT TO KNOW WHAT HE KNEW AND WHEN …
AFTER HE REPORTED THE CONDUCT.
How many times can I repeat it and how many times can some idiot here misrepresent this simple point?
[quote]theuofh wrote:
[quote]gregron wrote:
[quote]Derek542 wrote:
[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
http://msn.foxsports.com/collegefootball/story/Penn-State-top-recurit-will-not-attend-school-111011
And the demise of the program begins.[/quote]
If my kid was 6’5" and 300 pounds with potential NFL prospects I sure as hell would be telling him to de-commit and find another school. There will be a lot more after this.
This may make the SMU death sentence look tame when its all done.[/quote]
This isn’t an NCAA issue, it’s a criminal one. Penn State isn’t going to get hammered with NCAA sanctions.[/quote]
Yes but the potential liabilities in criminal and civil suits against the university can seriously hurt the program, if not the university as a whole.
Not to mention having to rebuild an entire staff after gutting the last administration.
[/quote]
I was listening to Cowherd this morning (I know. I know) and he made an interesting point. Penn State is in the middle of fucking no where. Who the hell is going to want to go there to coach and inherit that headache? The nearest cities/airports are Harrisburg and Altoona which are not really that close or great to begin with.
Tough sell to the wife and kids too…Hey. We are going to the boonies where the only thing going on is the college campus. No stores, no night life (for anyone NOT 18-22), nothing. And apparently, PSU is not known for paying a ton and will have to factor in at least a modest drop in alumni contributions and football revenue. Where is the incentive.
Without JoePa, that school is just another PA school in the middle of nowhere.
[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:
[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:
Jesus fucking Christ. Paterno ADMITTED to being told that Sandusky was raping/fondling/horsing around with a naked 10 year old boy in the locker rooms after hours. Again, HE ADMITTED THIS. Don’t know how many times we can say this.[/quote]
At that point it’s an ALLEGATION. Even if you don’t agree with my point, is it possible you can so widely miss the point?
And HE REPORTED IT!!!
My question is what was Paterno informed as to the outcome of any investigation. What’s so hard to grasp about that? [/quote]
Paterno also has said he believed the allegation.
[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:
[quote]scj119 wrote:
[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:
[quote]UtahLama wrote:
With Paterno it is NOT a legal issue…it is a MORAL one.
You are in charge, you are the man…everybody knows it.
You heard that Sandusky was caught in the shower by (his words) “a visibly shaken Graduate Assistant” with a 10 YEAR OLD BOY…
There is no reasonable explanation for a grown man to be showering with a young boy in a deserted building.
You see Sandusky on campus several times WITH CHILDREN. You do nothing.
You admit that “in hindsight, you should have done more to stop him”
You get fired…it’s not that complicated.[/quote]
THIS x 10 billion. At this point anyone who’s arguing otherwise just likes to hear themselves talk, or watch themselves type in this case.
[/quote]
Is someone arguing he shouldn’t be fired? I thought TBG was just saying he deserved less vitriol but I sorta skimmed over the past few pages.[/quote]
I took no position on his firing. I’m saying we can’t judge him until we know everything he knew, was informed of, and when. Ever stop to think his higher ups misled him too? He IS a witness for the prosecution. If after a year the testimony is they lied to or misled Joe Pa too, would that change your opinion? I’ll say it again; I do not believe for one minute that Joe Pa knew abuse was occurring and turned a blind eye. I don’t buy it. If however, after a full airing of the FACTS in this case, it points to Joe Pa knowing, I’ll lead the lynch mob.
I don’t know how many times I can repeat the same fucking thing.
[/quote]
What gets me is the part where even JoePa said McQueary was “visibly upset”… McQueary played quarterback at penn state and probably all throughout his life, he would not be visibly upset at two men showering together. IMO that says all you need to know about the sort of talk they had.
[quote]SmilingPolitely wrote:
[quote]theuofh wrote:
[quote]gregron wrote:
[quote]Derek542 wrote:
[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
http://msn.foxsports.com/collegefootball/story/Penn-State-top-recurit-will-not-attend-school-111011
And the demise of the program begins.[/quote]
If my kid was 6’5" and 300 pounds with potential NFL prospects I sure as hell would be telling him to de-commit and find another school. There will be a lot more after this.
This may make the SMU death sentence look tame when its all done.[/quote]
This isn’t an NCAA issue, it’s a criminal one. Penn State isn’t going to get hammered with NCAA sanctions.[/quote]
Yes but the potential liabilities in criminal and civil suits against the university can seriously hurt the program, if not the university as a whole.
Not to mention having to rebuild an entire staff after gutting the last administration.
[/quote]
I was listening to Cowherd this morning (I know. I know) and he made an interesting point. Penn State is in the middle of fucking no where. Who the hell is going to want to go there to coach and inherit that headache? The nearest cities/airports are Harrisburg and Altoona which are not really that close or great to begin with.
Tough sell to the wife and kids too…Hey. We are going to the boonies where the only thing going on is the college campus. No stores, no night life (for anyone NOT 18-22), nothing. And apparently, PSU is not known for paying a ton and will have to factor in at least a modest drop in alumni contributions and football revenue. Where is the incentive.
Without JoePa, that school is just another PA school in the middle of nowhere. [/quote]
I dunno. Is Columbus, OH an attractive place to live? Ann Arbor, MI? Rebuilding a storied program from scratch (who has a big enough name to help recruiting) is a coach’s wet dream, IMO
TBG, if you can’t figure out who the lunatic on the bus is, it’s probably you.
Again, McQueary was a starting QB at Penn State and is pretty in tune with what a normal locker room shower is. He would not report such a thing to Paterno at all - much less be “visibly upset” when doing so (Paterno’s words, not mine).
I loved the guy but I’m just finding very little room for there to be a misunderstanding of what he knew.
[quote]scj119 wrote:
[quote]SmilingPolitely wrote:
I was listening to Cowherd this morning (I know. I know) and he made an interesting point. Penn State is in the middle of fucking no where. Who the hell is going to want to go there to coach and inherit that headache? The nearest cities/airports are Harrisburg and Altoona which are not really that close or great to begin with.
Tough sell to the wife and kids too…Hey. We are going to the boonies where the only thing going on is the college campus. No stores, no night life (for anyone NOT 18-22), nothing. And apparently, PSU is not known for paying a ton and will have to factor in at least a modest drop in alumni contributions and football revenue. Where is the incentive.
Without JoePa, that school is just another PA school in the middle of nowhere. [/quote]
I dunno. Is Columbus, OH an attractive place to live? Ann Arbor, MI? Rebuilding a storied program from scratch (who has a big enough name to help recruiting) is a coach’s wet dream, IMO[/quote]
Compared to State College? Yeah. I’d say Columbus and Ann Arbor are more attractive places to live. What the hell else is out there but the college? (Could also be that I am a biased Pitt grad :p)
[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:
[quote]gregron wrote:
[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:
I’ll say it again; I do not believe for one minute that Joe Pa knew abuse was occurring and turned a blind eye. I don’t buy it. If however, after a full airing of the FACTS in this case, it points to Joe Pa knowing, I’ll lead the lynch mob.
I don’t know how many times I can repeat the same fucking thing.
[/quote]
What the hell are you even talking about? You can’t be this dense, you have to be trolling at this point.
You don’t believe for one minute that JoePa knew about abuse and turned a blind eye? He was told (he testified to this) that he was told by McQueary that Sandusky was fondling a young boy in the shower. JoePa continues to tolerate the presence of Sandusky for almost another decade. How is that not turning a blind eye?[/quote]
Now who’s being dense? I’ve said this before…many times now…maybe you’re trolling (as usual), or, you’re not as cute/clever as you fancy yourself…I’ve said, more than once…
And what was Joe Pa told of the results of any such investigation? We don’t know. What if it was reported back to him that it was “unfounded” or a misunderstanding or something less than what it really wa? What we do know, is it is alleged that his superiors engaged in a cover-up. What if Paterno was similarly misled? Paterno IS a witness for the prosecution. He runs a national D1 football program. Are you going to argue he should have spearheaded the investigation too? Or was it unreasonable to rely upon the University to conduct an appropriate investigation? Answer.
Again, I want to know what he knew, and when.
[/quote]
LOL… You try so hard BG. I thought you were going to admit you were wrong (about 20 pages ago) when I posted the testimonies from the report… But That hasn’t happened. You’re just scrambling trying to grasp onto anything you can to try and “save face”. It’s just the Internet… No harm in admitting you’re wrong (like you said you would)
[quote]scj119 wrote:
[quote]SmilingPolitely wrote:
[quote]theuofh wrote:
[quote]gregron wrote:
[quote]Derek542 wrote:
[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
http://msn.foxsports.com/collegefootball/story/Penn-State-top-recurit-will-not-attend-school-111011
And the demise of the program begins.[/quote]
If my kid was 6’5" and 300 pounds with potential NFL prospects I sure as hell would be telling him to de-commit and find another school. There will be a lot more after this.
This may make the SMU death sentence look tame when its all done.[/quote]
This isn’t an NCAA issue, it’s a criminal one. Penn State isn’t going to get hammered with NCAA sanctions.[/quote]
Yes but the potential liabilities in criminal and civil suits against the university can seriously hurt the program, if not the university as a whole.
Not to mention having to rebuild an entire staff after gutting the last administration.
[/quote]
I was listening to Cowherd this morning (I know. I know) and he made an interesting point. Penn State is in the middle of fucking no where. Who the hell is going to want to go there to coach and inherit that headache? The nearest cities/airports are Harrisburg and Altoona which are not really that close or great to begin with.
Tough sell to the wife and kids too…Hey. We are going to the boonies where the only thing going on is the college campus. No stores, no night life (for anyone NOT 18-22), nothing. And apparently, PSU is not known for paying a ton and will have to factor in at least a modest drop in alumni contributions and football revenue. Where is the incentive.
Without JoePa, that school is just another PA school in the middle of nowhere. [/quote]
I dunno. Is Columbus, OH an attractive place to live? Ann Arbor, MI? Rebuilding a storied program from scratch (who has a big enough name to help recruiting) is a coach’s wet dream, IMO[/quote]
Columbus is an armpit. I was at top ranked program there for grad school and they were having trouble keeping faculty there. In one year two professors left the program, both vocal on leaving to a place the could raise kids.
Ann Arbor routinely makes Best Place to Live lists.