[quote]Testy1 wrote:
[quote]anonym wrote:
The moral of the story is to never let your kid hang out solo with some older guy (who runs a charity to help troubled teen boys) on numerous occasions and for extended periods of time.
No adult male likes random kids THAT much for purely altruistic reasons. Sorry to sound like a cynical bastard, but c’mon.
I mean, really… sleepovers and shit?!?[/quote]
Micheal Jackson did…[/quote]
Pre-teen, not teen…
Total
[quote]Trispeter wrote:
The other question I want to toss up for bat is, what about due process and innocence until proven guilty? We just cleaned house due to a bunch of allegations that haven’t even seen trial…[/quote]
Innocent unto proven guilt? Paterno, the prez & AD testified that they know about sanduskys actions (which Sandusky admitted to)
[quote]Trispeter wrote:
The other question I want to toss up for bat is, what about due process and innocence until proven guilty? We just cleaned house due to a bunch of allegations that haven’t even seen trial…[/quote]
When 8 people come forward individually with remarkably similar reports (a number that will increase), you have to be realistic. What on earth do a bunch of 22-27yr old dudes have to gain from making this shit up?
He’s been seen several times by different people.
It’s just too much.
At what
[quote]Trispeter wrote:
The other question I want to toss up for bat is, what about due process and innocence until proven guilty? We just cleaned house due to a bunch of allegations that haven’t even seen trial…[/quote]
Due process will be used for the upcoming criminal procedures for Sandusky, Curley, and Schultz.
The PR shitstorm itself and the stain brought upon PSU, not to mention the moral outrage, were enough to fire Paterno. Even if the initial allegations are false, despite the overwhelming number of victims and witnesses, the testimony shows that the allegations were made, and subsequently buried for years, with scarcely anything but indifference from Paterno. It was a matter of how it was all handled which sealed the fates of Paterno and Spanier. That is not a matter of due process.
sooooo if a cougar is an older woman who hits on younger guys…
a nittnay lion must be an older MAN who hits on younger guys.
[quote]Trispeter wrote:
At what point has Sandusky admitted anything, every statement I have seen from his attorney was him claiming innocence… [/quote]
What’s your argument?
You said you spent a lot of time learning about this, have you read the grand jury report? What is your opinion of Sandusky?
[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:
[quote]Dr. Pangloss wrote:
[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:
the problem above is that you use the word “rape”. I do not believe that Joe Pa was told his assistant was “raping” a child in the shower.
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Just to be clear, I did not author the above article. I’m very comfortable in describing sexual activities between an adult and a minor as rape, however. Perhaps you’d be more comfortable with sexual assault, corruption of a minor, child molestation…
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“horsing around” as it has been quoted by Joe Pa also can mean many things that falls way short of “rape” or “abuse”. [/quote]
I agree. But it can only mean evil when the parties involved are naked, and one is a non-consenting minor.
[quote]Trispeter wrote:
At what point has Sandusky admitted anything, every statement I have seen from his attorney was him claiming innocence… [/quote]
You must have missed the quoted parts where Sandusky admits to victim #6’s mom (while two police officers listened) that he touched her son in the shower.
[quote]Trispeter wrote:
The other question I want to toss up for bat is, what about due process and innocence until proven guilty? We just cleaned house due to a bunch of allegations that haven’t even seen trial…[/quote]
Good grief. The word obtuse comes to mind.
[quote]scj119 wrote:
[quote]Testy1 wrote:
Micheal Jackson did…[/quote]
Pre-teen, not teen…[/quote]
I don’t want to turn this into a MJ debate, but while I’m still skeptical as to whether or not he actually WAS greasing children up with Jesus Juice and diddling them in the Treasure Trove room (or whatever), I am extremely certain that the dude was CLEARLY fucked up on a personal level.
So, yeah… I’ll remain a cynical bastard and assume that any grown male who displays an interest that borders on a fanatical devotion to the “well-being” young boys is a guy I wanna keep my eyes on for one reason or another. At least, not without a serious back story that explains their convictions. And I CERTAINLY wouldn’t trust such a guy enough to let my CHILD sleep over his house unsupervised. Celebrity, icon, whatever… the dude is ultimately a COMPLETE FUCKING STRANGER to me.
Then again, if I gave more of a shit about football or was from the area maybe I’d automatically be giving the guy the benefit of the doubt like those parents did.
[quote]therajraj wrote:
Penn State’s interim coach Tom Bradley just said that assistant coach Mike McQueary will coach in the game against Nebraska on Saturday.[/quote]
Fuck that shit. He needs to be taken out and beat down.
Again… There are two groups of people here:
And
I have
[quote]Trispeter wrote:
I have read it a couple of times actually, and its not really my spot to have any opinion on Sandusky… thats the job of the trial jury
in the end my opinion is the media is creating a firestorm before all the facts are in and the world needs to pull back and wait to see what the facts are in this case[/quote]
You only get due process in legal proceedings. Morality is completely separate. Paterno deserves to be fired for doing what he did by his own account.
It is not the jury’s job to form an opinion, nor is it wrong to form an opinion if you aren’t on a jury.
[quote]novaeer wrote:
[quote]Trispeter wrote:
The other question I want to toss up for bat is, what about due process and innocence until proven guilty? We just cleaned house due to a bunch of allegations that haven’t even seen trial…[/quote]
Good grief. The word obtuse comes to mind.[/quote]
WHAT DID YOU CALL ME?
[quote]Trispeter wrote:
I have read it a couple of times actually, and its not really my spot to have any opinion on Sandusky… thats the job of the trial jury
in the end my opinion is the media is creating a firestorm before all the facts are in and the world needs to pull back and wait to see what the facts are in this case[/quote]
Wait until all the facts are in?
Sandusky admitted to the mother of victim #6 (while two police officers listened) that he inappropriately touched her son in the shower.
JoePa testified that he was told about the sexual abuse.
The Pres and AD testified that JoePa told them what he was told.
What more facts do you want?
[quote]Trispeter wrote:
I have read it a couple of times actually, and its not really my spot to have any opinion on Sandusky… thats the job of the trial jury
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oh come on…
[quote]Ulty wrote:
[quote]novaeer wrote:
[quote]Trispeter wrote:
The other question I want to toss up for bat is, what about due process and innocence until proven guilty? We just cleaned house due to a bunch of allegations that haven’t even seen trial…[/quote]
Good grief. The word obtuse comes to mind.[/quote]
WHAT DID YOU CALL ME?[/quote]
Haha! I actually expect Sandusky to commit suicide before this thing reaches a courtroom and jury.