WTF Penn State?!?!?!

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[quote]gregron wrote:

[quote]Trispeter wrote:
SO this means Joe Pa had reported this to the police… what more could he have done?
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What more could he have done? Followed up and made sure this guy was punished. JoePa ran the show. He could have banned Sandusky from the campus if he wanted but he did not.

If you were the head coach and knew an assistant was caught sexually abusing kids in your locker room would you report it to the AD and Campus Police and leave it at that? See the same guy for years to come bringing young kids into your facility and not say anything further?[/quote]

A real PSUer knows campus police there is a joke. They hand out underage drinking and public urination citations (even to yours truly!)

JoePa should have walked down to centre county police with McQueary, or reported it to an even higher authority

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[quote]Trispeter wrote:
According to the reports he was banned from campus after the incident was reported…[/quote]

He was on campus last week.

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[quote]concrete wrote:

[quote]scj119 wrote:

[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:

[quote]scj119 wrote:

[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:

[quote]Ulty wrote:
Paterno’s power at Penn State was nearly absolute, [/quote]

Provide factual evidence of the above. His power over the program may have been absolute, but he answered to people. Heck he was almost forced out years ago. [/quote]

A) He’s referring to the grand jury statement and Paterno’s OWN testimony. It is factual evidence.

B) He was told to step down and said “no” and got his way… that’s supposed to prove he didn’t have his way?[/quote]

What testimony. Joe Pa stated that his power at Penn State (and not over the program) was “absolute”?

As for stepping down, public sentiment and other facts weighed in on his retaining his job. He just didn’t say “no” and that was the end of it.

Are you serious?[/quote]

The grand jury testimony where JoePa said “McQueary came to me, visibility upset, and told me of an incident where Sandusky was touching, fondling, or engaging in horse play with a young boy in the shower”.

Where is the ambiguity in that? He had enough to go on.

edit - I realize I quoted the wrong initial post. I meant to respond to where you said we are all speculating on what Paterno knew.[/quote]

Is the direct grand jury testimony available? In the summary, in regards to what Paterno was told, the phrase “horse play” was not used.[/quote]

Victim 2 in http://cbschicago.files.wordpress.com/2011/11/sandusky-grand-jury-presentment.pdf

“horsing around” is what Curley (Athletic Director) said his impression of the incident was after JoePa talked to him.

JoePa says he told Curley that his graduate assistant saw Sandusky “fondling or doing something of a sexual nature to a young boy”

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[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:

[quote]scj119 wrote:
This is straight out of a Law and Order SVU episode. He has the same fucking pattern with every kid. Victim 6 is particularly disturbing when he told the victim’s mom “I understand. I was wrong. I wish I could get forgiveness. I know I won’t from you. I wish I were dead”

This conversation was heard by a detective. In 1998.

edit - that quote is FROM Sandusky, to the mom, over the phone.[/quote]

I was going to mention this. The pattern in his approach towards each kid is almost identical. That shows me that he picked each kid based off of something he saw and felt them out (sorry for that, couldn’t think of another way to put it) and gauged how far he could push it with each kid. He is a cold, calculating monster who exploited every possible angle to get what he wanted. The fact that others in positions of power allowed him to continue is mind boggling.
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Yessir I’m in the same boat as you on this.

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[quote]gregron wrote:

[quote]Trispeter wrote:
According to the reports he was banned from campus after the incident was reported…[/quote]

He was on campus last week.[/quote]

No, he was banned from inviting kids on campus. He retained his office and full rights to move about as he pleased.

Even our president Spanier said that the ban was “unenforceable”

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Yeah, I’ve heard both reports, according the university he was kicked out and according to the news he was on campus last week… so not sure which one is correct

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[quote]Trispeter wrote:
According to the reports he was banned from campus after the incident was reported…[/quote]
um, nope.

He was prohibited from bringing youth onto campus, thereby acknowledging that strange things were afoot. But he still personally had unlimited access to the facilities.

He still ran youth camps on satellite campuses.

He was still associated with Second Mile until he stepped down in 2010, despite Second Mile being put on notice of the 2002 incident.

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Huh. I go without internet and TV for three weeks and this kind of thing happens?

Go figger.

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Still waiting for BG to resond to my answer(s) to his request.

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By the way, since we’re all about promoting salacious rumors… (sorry if this has been posted) but did y’all know the DA who had Sandusky’s first incident on his table disappeared before he was able to prosecute?

It looks like he did it himself, because they found internet searches from his home computer on how to destroy computers and hard drives before doing so… but it’s officially unresolved.

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[quote]Trispeter wrote:

If you read closely, Schultz, the Senior VP who was involved is the head of the Campus Police… SO this means Joe Pa had reported this to the police… what more could he have done?
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As someone else previously pointed out, Gary Schultz was the Senior VP for Finance and Business. The fact that the campus police budget might be under his purview does not make him the police.

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[quote]QuadasarusFlex wrote:

Just when you thought it couldn’t get any worse.

Nobody was killed in this story but I feel like this could Rival OJs Trial in terms of controversy.[/quote]
I had not seen the second paragraph before, thanks for posting this. But, assuming those allegations were true do we then place blame on everyone who knew about Sandanakys actions at PSU and about his program with kids and not say anything? How far.put are y’all willing to assign blame?

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[quote]Trispeter wrote:
I haven’t read all 15 pages of comments here but I am a Penn State Alumni and I have spent a great deal of time over the past week with other PSU-ers learning about this sad story…

However, I completely disagree with the Joe Paterno firing and feel that the university is using him as a sort of scape goat, unless they know something not in the indictment

If you read closely, Schultz, the Senior VP who was involved is the head of the Campus Police… SO this means Joe Pa had reported this to the police… what more could he have done?

I’m disappointed in the actions of my alma mater in many ways, but I think its time to move past this and focus on the real story here, which is not Penn State, its the victims…

and yes, I’m still proud to be a Penn Stater[/quote]

Why didn’t he follow up with Schultz? Why didn’t he call Sandusky, his buddy of over 30 years, and ask him what the hell is going on? Why did Sandusky, JoePa’s heir apparent and one of the most respected asst. coaches in the country suddenly resign in 1999 after being investigated for child abuse? Do you REALLY believe that Joe Paterno was totally ignorant of the investigation? Why was Sandusky allowed on PSU campus as late as last week?

Sorry pal, none of this passes the sniff test. Paterno knew. He was in a position to stop a predator and he did nothing. He is partially responsible for every victim since then.

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[quote]scj119 wrote:
By the way, since we’re all about promoting salacious rumors… (sorry if this has been posted) but did y’all know the DA who had Sandusky’s first incident on his table disappeared before he was able to prosecute?

It looks like he did it himself, because they found internet searches from his home computer on how to destroy computers and hard drives before doing so… but it’s officially unresolved.[/quote]

Gricar didn’t disappear until 2005. Really there is no reason to think his disappearance is directly related to this case, but it is an interesting twist.

He was the one who decided not to investigate further after Sandusky confessed to the mother of Victim #6 with two officers hiding in another room.

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[quote]Dr. Pangloss wrote:

[quote]Trispeter wrote:

If you read closely, Schultz, the Senior VP who was involved is the head of the Campus Police… SO this means Joe Pa had reported this to the police… what more could he have done?
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As someone else previously pointed out, Gary Schultz was the Senior VP for Finance and Business. The fact that the campus police budget might be under his purview does not make him the police.
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Yup, Schultz himself admitted to the grand jury that the matter was never taken to any police agency.

Schult’z negligence, ignorance, and detachment from responsibility is highlighted on page 10 of the grand jury report.

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I still don’t understand how people are defending or arguing for Paterno and the like. People cannot be this dense. As I said before, I FIRMLY believe that he and others in very high places new about this, and have known for awhile but chose to let it continue. Arguing in defense these people blows my mind.

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[quote]SmilingPolitely wrote:

[quote]scj119 wrote:
By the way, since we’re all about promoting salacious rumors… (sorry if this has been posted) but did y’all know the DA who had Sandusky’s first incident on his table disappeared before he was able to prosecute?

It looks like he did it himself, because they found internet searches from his home computer on how to destroy computers and hard drives before doing so… but it’s officially unresolved.[/quote]

Gricar didn’t disappear until 2005. Really there is no reason to think his disappearance is directly related to this case, but it is an interesting twist.

He was the one who decided not to investigate further after Sandusky confessed to the mother of Victim #6 with two officers hiding in another room.
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Interesting twist!!!

Hahaha

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[quote]gregron wrote:

[quote]SmilingPolitely wrote:

[quote]scj119 wrote:
By the way, since we’re all about promoting salacious rumors… (sorry if this has been posted) but did y’all know the DA who had Sandusky’s first incident on his table disappeared before he was able to prosecute?

It looks like he did it himself, because they found internet searches from his home computer on how to destroy computers and hard drives before doing so… but it’s officially unresolved.[/quote]

Gricar didn’t disappear until 2005. Really there is no reason to think his disappearance is directly related to this case, but it is an interesting twist.

He was the one who decided not to investigate further after Sandusky confessed to the mother of Victim #6 with two officers hiding in another room.
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Interesting twist!!!

Hahaha
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Greg loves the rumors. I am designating you GMZ henceforth as you are TN’s gossip king.

Yeah I got the timelines mixed up - I thought he had the 2002 case reported to him as well and was considering prosecuting, but that appears to be wrong.

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[quote]scj119 wrote:

[quote]gregron wrote:

[quote]SmilingPolitely wrote:

[quote]scj119 wrote:
By the way, since we’re all about promoting salacious rumors… (sorry if this has been posted) but did y’all know the DA who had Sandusky’s first incident on his table disappeared before he was able to prosecute?

It looks like he did it himself, because they found internet searches from his home computer on how to destroy computers and hard drives before doing so… but it’s officially unresolved.[/quote]

Gricar didn’t disappear until 2005. Really there is no reason to think his disappearance is directly related to this case, but it is an interesting twist.

He was the one who decided not to investigate further after Sandusky confessed to the mother of Victim #6 with two officers hiding in another room.
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Interesting twist!!!

Hahaha
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Greg loves the rumors. I am designating you GMZ henceforth as you are TN’s gossip king.

Yeah I got the timelines mixed up - I thought he had the 2002 case reported to him as well and was considering prosecuting, but that appears to be wrong.
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You said it first!

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[quote]anonym wrote:
The moral of the story is to never let your kid hang out solo with some older guy (who runs a charity to help troubled teen boys) on numerous occasions and for extended periods of time.

No adult male likes random kids THAT much for purely altruistic reasons. Sorry to sound like a cynical bastard, but c’mon.

I mean, really… sleepovers and shit?!?[/quote]

Micheal Jackson did…