WTF Penn State?!?!?!

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[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:

[quote]gregron wrote:

[quote]Derek542 wrote:

[quote]novaeer wrote:

[quote]scj119 wrote:

[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:

[quote]Ulty wrote:
Paterno’s power at Penn State was nearly absolute, [/quote]

Provide factual evidence of the above. His power over the program may have been absolute, but he answered to people. Heck he was almost forced out years ago. [/quote]

A) He’s referring to the grand jury statement and Paterno’s OWN testimony. It is factual evidence.

B) He was told to step down and said “no” and got his way… that’s supposed to prove he didn’t have his way?[/quote]

I was getting ready to point these things out. I knew back in '04 when they wanted to shove him out the door that he would just say no and Spanier would say “OK, sorry to bother you Mr. Paterno”.[/quote]

Or maybe JoePa said Not so Fast, I know about the skeletons in the closet.[/quote]

oh shit!!! I know its just more speculating… but it sure is fun! hahaha Could you imagine, the university said “Its time to step down JoePa” and he said “I’ll step down when I feel like it, otherwise I’m leaking this info about the child molestation cover up.” and the university said “Cant wait to have you aboard for the next 10 years!”

LOL[/quote]

Obviously this is just speculation, but I think IT’S way WORSE than that. I believe Paterno knew and has known about this for a very long time. But, he also knew what this would do to the program and his legacy at PSU and in the area in general and kept things under wraps. People need to realize how much money that program brings in for that entire area and what having something that destroys that program would do to the economy, as well as to the heritage and the supposed “prestigeous moral fabric” of the institution. At the end of the day this world revolves around money, and NOTHING in that entire region brings in more than PSU football. To lose that would literally kill the area. And, people in high places would kill to keep something that dark buried for a long as they could.[/quote]

revolves around money eh?

then why did the man lead such a relatively simple life and donate a major portion of that money BACK to the university?

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[quote]Derek542 wrote:

[quote]scj119 wrote:
I suppose it is too much to pray for that Sandusky’s six adopted children avoided any long term abuse.[/quote]

WTF

Dude that is horrible I didnt know that fucker adopted kids also. [/quote]

Adopted 6 and was a foster family for many more.

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[quote]Derek542 wrote:

[quote]QuadasarusFlex wrote:

[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:
Before I get sucked into engaging the lynch mob and having to pointlessly debate the fallacious arguments and speculation that is sure to come, my position is as follows:

Before I am ready to pass judgment, assign culpability or have any other firm opinion on a man who’s body of work (largely with kids) EXCEEDS that of anyone in this thread (and likely will continue to exceed), I will need to know all the FACTS. Allegations will not do.

Speculation, while making for newspapers sales and fun message board threads, will not do. As it stands now, I do not believe Joe Pa “looked the other way”. I may however be convinced otherwise when more information and facts are disclosed. The man changed many young lives for the better. His relative contribution to the university (financially and otherwise) is unmatched by anyone. His program, while doing it by the onerous NCAA rules, speaks for itself.

“Turning a blind eye” or otherwise being “culpable” or “complicit” does not fit the man’s record.

I’ll need more information than junk journalism and an indictment against someone else. When and if we get that, and it points to him, I’ll happily join the lynch mob. I’ll even tie the rope to the limb. [/quote]
I think you and me are the small majority bro. I see noting but people calling for JoePa’s head and its ridiculous. He did what was expected of him to do. Was it his fault that when he went through the proper channels and procedure and that the person didn’t do anything about that information? Btw,he didnt even see it for himself! Your seriously going to bash in your coworkers head in for someone telling you that he was “Acting Inappropriately”? Really?

Heres something intresting;What If Everyone Involved in This Penn State Scandal Were Black?

What IF INDEED.[/quote]

Token, quick question.

Prior to all this did you know who the AD was at PSU?

I can almost guarantee 99% of the population know who JoePa is, he was the face of the university.

You cant have it both ways you cant be the face and the boss, and then when something like this happens you claim to be just a link in the chain. [/quote]

What Tim Curley and Gary Schultz was illegal and morally wrong. They intentionally covered up the scandal. The same grand jury cleared JoePa of the same thing.

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[quote]Dr. Pangloss wrote:
One of the better pieces I’ve read so far:

These things should be simple:

  1. When, as an adult, you come come across another adult raping a small child, you should a) do everything in your power to rescue that child from the rapist, b) call the police the moment it is practicable.

  2. If your adult son calls you to tell you that he just saw another adult raping a small child, but then left that small child with the rapist, and then asks you what he should do, you should a) tell him to get off the phone with you and call the police immediately, b) call the police yourself and make a report, c) at the appropriate time in the future ask your adult son why the **** he did not try to save that kid.

  3. If your underling comes to you to report that he saw another man, also your underling, raping a small child, but then left that small child with the rapist, you should a) call the police immediately, b) alert your own superiors, c) immediately suspend the alleged rapist underling from his job responsibilities pending a full investigation, d) at the appropriate time in the future ask that first underling why the **** he did not try to save that kid.

  4. When, as the officials of an organization, you are approached by an underling who tells you that one of his people saw another of his people raping a small child at the organization, in organization property, you should a) call the police immediately, b) immediately suspend the alleged rapist from his job responsibilities if the immediate supervisor has not already done so, c) when called to a grand jury to testify on the matter, avoid perjuring yourself. At no time should you decide that the best way to handle the situation is to simply tell the alleged rapist not to bring small children onto organization property anymore.

You know, thereâ??s a part of me who looks at the actions of each of non-raping grown men in the â??Pennsylvania State University small-child-allegedly-being-raped-by-a-grown-man-who-is-part-of-the-football-hierarchyâ?? scandal and can understand why those men could rationalize a) not immediately acting in the interests of a small child being raped, b) not immediately going to the police, c) doing only the minimum legal requirements in the situation, d) acting to keep from exposing their organization to a scandal. But hereâ??s the thing: that part of me? The part that understands these actions? That part of me is a ****ing coward. And so by their actions â?? and by their inactions â?? were these men.

At least one sports columnist has made the point that Joe Paterno, the 40+ year coach of Penn State, who was fired last night (along with the universityâ??s president) by the universityâ??s board of trustees, should be remembered for all the good things he has stood for, and for his generosity and principles, even as this scandal, which brought his downfall, is now inevitably part of his legacy as well. And, well. I suspect that in time, even this horrible event will fade, and Paternoâ??s legacy, to football and to Penn State, will rise above the tarnishment, especially because it can and will be argued that Paterno did all that was legally required of him, expressed regret and horror, and was not the man who was, after all, performing the acts.

Hereâ??s what I think about that, right now. Iâ??m a science fiction writer, and one of the great stories of science fiction is â??The Ones Who Walk Away From Omelas,â?? which was written by Ursula K. LeGuin. The story posits a fantastic utopian city, where everything is beautiful, with one catch: In order for all this comfort and beauty to exist, one child must be kept in filth and misery. Every citizen of Omelas, when they come of age, is told about that one blameless child being put through hell. And they have a choice: Accept that is the price for their perfect lives in Omelas, or walk away from that paradise, into uncertainty and possibly chaos.

At Pennsylvania State University, a grown man found a blameless child being put through hell. Other grown men learned of it. Each of them had to make their choice, and decide, fundamentally, whether the continuation of their utopia â?? or at very least the illusion of their utopia â?? was worth the pain and suffering of that one child. Through their actions, and their inactions, we know the choice they made.

http://whatever.scalzi.com/2011/11/10/omelas-state-university/[/quote]

the problem above is that you use the word “rape”. I do not believe that Joe Pa was told his assistant was “raping” a child in the shower.

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[quote]gregron wrote:
I think that there are two groups of people here…

  1. People who have read the report, are sickened by it and know that JoePa had to go

and

  1. People who havent read it yet.

“boy” “man” “shower” “inappropriate”… those words were told to JoePa, nothing else needs to be said.[/quote]

post the link. i’ll either admit i’m wrong or i’ll happily illustrate any lack of critical thinking as it relates to said document.

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[quote]scj119 wrote:

[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:

[quote]scj119 wrote:

[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:

[quote]Ulty wrote:
Paterno’s power at Penn State was nearly absolute, [/quote]

Provide factual evidence of the above. His power over the program may have been absolute, but he answered to people. Heck he was almost forced out years ago. [/quote]

A) He’s referring to the grand jury statement and Paterno’s OWN testimony. It is factual evidence.

B) He was told to step down and said “no” and got his way… that’s supposed to prove he didn’t have his way?[/quote]

What testimony. Joe Pa stated that his power at Penn State (and not over the program) was “absolute”?

As for stepping down, public sentiment and other facts weighed in on his retaining his job. He just didn’t say “no” and that was the end of it.

Are you serious?[/quote]

The grand jury testimony where JoePa said “McQueary came to me, visibility upset, and told me of an incident where Sandusky was touching, fondling, or engaging in horse play with a young boy in the shower”.

Where is the ambiguity in that? He had enough to go on.

edit - I realize I quoted the wrong initial post. I meant to respond to where you said we are all speculating on what Paterno knew.[/quote]

and he reported it. right?

and isn’t there a bit of a chasm between “fondling” and “horse play”? isn’t there?

i think we need to hear more from Joe Pa. It’s not that the speculation and questions here are unreasonable, but at the end of the day it is speculation.

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[quote]QuadasarusFlex wrote:

[quote]Derek542 wrote:

[quote]QuadasarusFlex wrote:

[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:
Before I get sucked into engaging the lynch mob and having to pointlessly debate the fallacious arguments and speculation that is sure to come, my position is as follows:

Before I am ready to pass judgment, assign culpability or have any other firm opinion on a man who’s body of work (largely with kids) EXCEEDS that of anyone in this thread (and likely will continue to exceed), I will need to know all the FACTS. Allegations will not do.

Speculation, while making for newspapers sales and fun message board threads, will not do. As it stands now, I do not believe Joe Pa “looked the other way”. I may however be convinced otherwise when more information and facts are disclosed. The man changed many young lives for the better. His relative contribution to the university (financially and otherwise) is unmatched by anyone. His program, while doing it by the onerous NCAA rules, speaks for itself.

“Turning a blind eye” or otherwise being “culpable” or “complicit” does not fit the man’s record.

I’ll need more information than junk journalism and an indictment against someone else. When and if we get that, and it points to him, I’ll happily join the lynch mob. I’ll even tie the rope to the limb. [/quote]
I think you and me are the small majority bro. I see noting but people calling for JoePa’s head and its ridiculous. He did what was expected of him to do. Was it his fault that when he went through the proper channels and procedure and that the person didn’t do anything about that information? Btw,he didnt even see it for himself! Your seriously going to bash in your coworkers head in for someone telling you that he was “Acting Inappropriately”? Really?

Heres something intresting;What If Everyone Involved in This Penn State Scandal Were Black?

What IF INDEED.[/quote]

Token, quick question.

Prior to all this did you know who the AD was at PSU?

I can almost guarantee 99% of the population know who JoePa is, he was the face of the university.

You cant have it both ways you cant be the face and the boss, and then when something like this happens you claim to be just a link in the chain. [/quote]

What Tim Curley and Gary Schultz was illegal and morally wrong. They intentionally covered up the scandal. The same grand jury cleared JoePa of the same thing.[/quote]

And if indeed THEY covered it up, isn’t it possible they did not inform Joe Pa or may have otherwise given him wrong information???

Isn’t it?

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[quote]QuadasarusFlex wrote:

[quote]Derek542 wrote:

[quote]QuadasarusFlex wrote:

[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:
Before I get sucked into engaging the lynch mob and having to pointlessly debate the fallacious arguments and speculation that is sure to come, my position is as follows:

Before I am ready to pass judgment, assign culpability or have any other firm opinion on a man who’s body of work (largely with kids) EXCEEDS that of anyone in this thread (and likely will continue to exceed), I will need to know all the FACTS. Allegations will not do.

Speculation, while making for newspapers sales and fun message board threads, will not do. As it stands now, I do not believe Joe Pa “looked the other way”. I may however be convinced otherwise when more information and facts are disclosed. The man changed many young lives for the better. His relative contribution to the university (financially and otherwise) is unmatched by anyone. His program, while doing it by the onerous NCAA rules, speaks for itself.

“Turning a blind eye” or otherwise being “culpable” or “complicit” does not fit the man’s record.

I’ll need more information than junk journalism and an indictment against someone else. When and if we get that, and it points to him, I’ll happily join the lynch mob. I’ll even tie the rope to the limb. [/quote]
I think you and me are the small majority bro. I see noting but people calling for JoePa’s head and its ridiculous. He did what was expected of him to do. Was it his fault that when he went through the proper channels and procedure and that the person didn’t do anything about that information? Btw,he didnt even see it for himself! Your seriously going to bash in your coworkers head in for someone telling you that he was “Acting Inappropriately”? Really?

Heres something intresting;What If Everyone Involved in This Penn State Scandal Were Black?

What IF INDEED.[/quote]

Token, quick question.

Prior to all this did you know who the AD was at PSU?

I can almost guarantee 99% of the population know who JoePa is, he was the face of the university.

You cant have it both ways you cant be the face and the boss, and then when something like this happens you claim to be just a link in the chain. [/quote]

What Tim Curley and Gary Schultz was illegal and morally wrong. They intentionally covered up the scandal. The same grand jury cleared JoePa of the same thing.[/quote]

Just because they cleared him does not mean he was not a part of it. That is kind of the point, he reported up the chain officially so that excuses him to a point.

However my point is that while there is an official chain of command the true chain with recent events shows that JoePa was at the top.

The man is in his 80’s he could not even be on the sidelines, has mostly inspirational figure head with the team, most organizations would have forced him out (Bowden comes to mind). So why was he not? Only a couple of reasons for that.

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[quote]Derek542 wrote:

[quote]QuadasarusFlex wrote:

[quote]Derek542 wrote:

[quote]QuadasarusFlex wrote:

[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:
Before I get sucked into engaging the lynch mob and having to pointlessly debate the fallacious arguments and speculation that is sure to come, my position is as follows:

Before I am ready to pass judgment, assign culpability or have any other firm opinion on a man who’s body of work (largely with kids) EXCEEDS that of anyone in this thread (and likely will continue to exceed), I will need to know all the FACTS. Allegations will not do.

Speculation, while making for newspapers sales and fun message board threads, will not do. As it stands now, I do not believe Joe Pa “looked the other way”. I may however be convinced otherwise when more information and facts are disclosed. The man changed many young lives for the better. His relative contribution to the university (financially and otherwise) is unmatched by anyone. His program, while doing it by the onerous NCAA rules, speaks for itself.

“Turning a blind eye” or otherwise being “culpable” or “complicit” does not fit the man’s record.

I’ll need more information than junk journalism and an indictment against someone else. When and if we get that, and it points to him, I’ll happily join the lynch mob. I’ll even tie the rope to the limb. [/quote]
I think you and me are the small majority bro. I see noting but people calling for JoePa’s head and its ridiculous. He did what was expected of him to do. Was it his fault that when he went through the proper channels and procedure and that the person didn’t do anything about that information? Btw,he didnt even see it for himself! Your seriously going to bash in your coworkers head in for someone telling you that he was “Acting Inappropriately”? Really?

Heres something intresting;What If Everyone Involved in This Penn State Scandal Were Black?

What IF INDEED.[/quote]

Token, quick question.

Prior to all this did you know who the AD was at PSU?

I can almost guarantee 99% of the population know who JoePa is, he was the face of the university.

You cant have it both ways you cant be the face and the boss, and then when something like this happens you claim to be just a link in the chain. [/quote]

What Tim Curley and Gary Schultz was illegal and morally wrong. They intentionally covered up the scandal. The same grand jury cleared JoePa of the same thing.[/quote]

Just because they cleared him does not mean he was not a part of it. That is kind of the point, he reported up the chain officially so that excuses him to a point.

However my point is that while there is an official chain of command the true chain with recent events shows that JoePa was at the top.

The man is in his 80’s he could not even be on the sidelines, has mostly inspirational figure head with the team, most organizations would have forced him out (Bowden comes to mind). So why was he not? Only a couple of reasons for that.[/quote]

whoa. hold on a minute. the fact that they cleared him DOES mean he did not actively engage in any “cover-up”. that much is clear. let’s stay on track here. given that two ARE accused of a “cover-up” is it that hard to imagine that that same damning information might have been kept from Joe Pa too?

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[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:
^^^I’m typing from my phone so it’s hard to write everything I’m thinking, but there is so much here that doesn’t add up, or even worse adds up to something so unspeakably horrible that it’s hard to fathom. I said on page 2 I think that we’re gonna be surprised how far down the rabbit hole this goes.

Now, I think that we’re not only on the verge of the biggest story in American sports history, but one of the most shocking stories in American history PERIOD. This will turn that entire region upside down and potentially change the face of the immediate landscape. I’m not sure we’re ready for how big and bad this is gonna turn out to be. Just wait.[/quote]

Flash, you and I are in agreement on this.

IF the rumors about major donors (my guess is that it was not or not just donors) and that his charity was a pipeline for a child sex ring (sex trafficing in the US is pretty damn bad) the ends of his actions will probably not be found.

Successful child predictors, successful as far as not being caught or stopped, have a way of finding each other. Any child predator with acess to 10,000 kids a year, based on earlier reports, is going to attract the attention of other child predators. As much as I hope the child sex trafficing is complete fiction there is a basis for the accusations and warrants a full and deep investigation.

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[quote]Dr. Pangloss wrote:

[quote]Derek542 wrote:

[quote]scj119 wrote:
I suppose it is too much to pray for that Sandusky’s six adopted children avoided any long term abuse.[/quote]

WTF

Dude that is horrible I didnt know that fucker adopted kids also. [/quote]

Adopted 6 and was a foster family for many more.[/quote]

So is this fucker Sandusky married?

Again because the higher ups in PSU hid this shit, he had the ability to adopt children and possibly destroy their lives?

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[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:

[quote]gregron wrote:
I think that there are two groups of people here…

  1. People who have read the report, are sickened by it and know that JoePa had to go

and

  1. People who havent read it yet.

“boy” “man” “shower” “inappropriate”… those words were told to JoePa, nothing else needs to be said.[/quote]

post the link. i’ll either admit i’m wrong or i’ll happily illustrate any lack of critical thinking as it relates to said document.
[/quote]

http://cbschicago.files.wordpress.com/2011/11/sandusky-grand-jury-presentment.pdf

Joe Paterno’s testimony is in the grand jury report that was in the very first post of this thread. Did you read the report? Are you in group number 2 from above?

“Joseph V. Paterno testified to receiving the graduate assistant’s report at his home on a Saturday morning. Paterno testified that the graduate assistant was very upset. Paterno called Tim Curley (“Curley”), Penn State Athletic Director and Paterno’s immediate superior, to his home the very next day, a Sunday, and reported to him that the graduate assistant had seen Jerry Sandusky in the Lasch Building showers fondling or doing something of a sexual nature to a young boy.”

“Young Boy” = Boy
“Jerry Sandusky” = Man
“Lasch Building showers” = Shower
“Fondling or doing something of a sexual nature” = Inappropriate

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[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:

[quote]QuadasarusFlex wrote:

[quote]Derek542 wrote:

[quote]QuadasarusFlex wrote:

[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:
Before I get sucked into engaging the lynch mob and having to pointlessly debate the fallacious arguments and speculation that is sure to come, my position is as follows:

Before I am ready to pass judgment, assign culpability or have any other firm opinion on a man who’s body of work (largely with kids) EXCEEDS that of anyone in this thread (and likely will continue to exceed), I will need to know all the FACTS. Allegations will not do.

Speculation, while making for newspapers sales and fun message board threads, will not do. As it stands now, I do not believe Joe Pa “looked the other way”. I may however be convinced otherwise when more information and facts are disclosed. The man changed many young lives for the better. His relative contribution to the university (financially and otherwise) is unmatched by anyone. His program, while doing it by the onerous NCAA rules, speaks for itself.

“Turning a blind eye” or otherwise being “culpable” or “complicit” does not fit the man’s record.

I’ll need more information than junk journalism and an indictment against someone else. When and if we get that, and it points to him, I’ll happily join the lynch mob. I’ll even tie the rope to the limb. [/quote]
I think you and me are the small majority bro. I see noting but people calling for JoePa’s head and its ridiculous. He did what was expected of him to do. Was it his fault that when he went through the proper channels and procedure and that the person didn’t do anything about that information? Btw,he didnt even see it for himself! Your seriously going to bash in your coworkers head in for someone telling you that he was “Acting Inappropriately”? Really?

Heres something intresting;What If Everyone Involved in This Penn State Scandal Were Black?

What IF INDEED.[/quote]

Token, quick question.

Prior to all this did you know who the AD was at PSU?

I can almost guarantee 99% of the population know who JoePa is, he was the face of the university.

You cant have it both ways you cant be the face and the boss, and then when something like this happens you claim to be just a link in the chain. [/quote]

What Tim Curley and Gary Schultz was illegal and morally wrong. They intentionally covered up the scandal. The same grand jury cleared JoePa of the same thing.[/quote]

And if indeed THEY covered it up, isn’t it possible they did not inform Joe Pa or may have otherwise given him wrong information???

Isn’t it?
[/quote]

Of course it is possible they did mis-inform JoePa about the investigation.

My problem with this BG is the conflict of what JoePa has been to this institution for so long. He has been the top dog, the figure head, by all public perception JoePa is Penn state football. But now we are supposed to believe he is just the HC and just a link in the chain of command.

Do you see my conflict? Again I am trying not to lead the lynch mob, I am just trying to clarify this conflicting image.

Plus BG you already posted that the Grand Jury is a dog and pony show for the prosecutor, so maybe they didnt want to take down JoePa.

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[quote]Derek542 wrote:

[quote]Dr. Pangloss wrote:

[quote]Derek542 wrote:

[quote]scj119 wrote:
I suppose it is too much to pray for that Sandusky’s six adopted children avoided any long term abuse.[/quote]

WTF

Dude that is horrible I didnt know that fucker adopted kids also. [/quote]

Adopted 6 and was a foster family for many more.[/quote]

So is this fucker Sandusky married?

Again because the higher ups in PSU hid this shit, he had the ability to adopt children and possibly destroy their lives?[/quote]

Yes he’s married.

No plan for divorce that I’m aware of.

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[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:
And if indeed THEY covered it up, isn’t it possible they did not inform Joe Pa or may have otherwise given him wrong information???

Isn’t it?
[/quote]
What? You’ve raised some good points so far and made this a fun debate, but am I misreading your post here? It sounds like you don’t know what happened.

Paterno is the one who informed those guys, not the other way around.

We know that Paterno was aware of sexual activity between Sandusky and a small boy in the showers because he testified that he knew. The GA told him. Paterno then, a whole day later, told the Athletic Director. The AD and the VP of Finance discussed it with the AD 10 days later. No other investigation took place. The AD and VP then lied about their knowledge and actions to the grand jury.

Paterno did not go to the cops. Paterno did not follow up. Paterno and the GA (who was promoted to an actual coaching position two months later) in years since saw Sandusky around campus with children but apparently did nothing.

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[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:

[quote]gregron wrote:
I think that there are two groups of people here…

  1. People who have read the report, are sickened by it and know that JoePa had to go

and

  1. People who havent read it yet.

“boy” “man” “shower” “inappropriate”… those words were told to JoePa, nothing else needs to be said.[/quote]

post the link. i’ll either admit i’m wrong or i’ll happily illustrate any lack of critical thinking as it relates to said document.
[/quote]

ANOTHER ONE…
http://cbschicago.files.wordpress.com/2011/11/sandusky-grand-jury-presentment.pdf

same report…

“Schultz testified that he was called to a meeting with Joe Paterno and Tim Curley, in which Paterno reported “disturbing” and “inappropriate” conduct in the shower by Sandusky upon a young boy, as reported to him by a student or graduate student”

young boy = boy
sandusky = man
shower = shower
disturbing/inappropriate = inappropriate

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[quote]scj119 wrote:

[quote]Derek542 wrote:

[quote]Dr. Pangloss wrote:

[quote]Derek542 wrote:

[quote]scj119 wrote:
I suppose it is too much to pray for that Sandusky’s six adopted children avoided any long term abuse.[/quote]

WTF

Dude that is horrible I didnt know that fucker adopted kids also. [/quote]

Adopted 6 and was a foster family for many more.[/quote]

So is this fucker Sandusky married?

Again because the higher ups in PSU hid this shit, he had the ability to adopt children and possibly destroy their lives?[/quote]

Yes he’s married.

No plan for divorce that I’m aware of.[/quote]

Wouldnt need to be a divorce in my house, I would be found dead one morning.

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Penn State has already painted over the likeness of Sandusky in a Mural at the school and replaced him with an empty seat to the left of JoePa.

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Just when you thought it couldn’t get any worse.

Nobody was killed in this story but I feel like this could Rival OJs Trial in terms of controversy.

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[quote]QuadasarusFlex wrote:

Just when you thought it couldn’t get any worse.[/quote]

this has already been mentioned but this thread is moving really fast so I’m glad its been posted again so more people will catch it.

This is so insane!

I posted earlier about him retiring at 55 with 19 bowl wins as a coach, 2 national championships and 4 undefeated seasons. He could have easily gotten a head coaching job somewhere else if people didnt know all about this stuff.