[quote]Derek542 wrote:
[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:
[quote]Derek542 wrote:
[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:
[quote]UtahLama wrote:
[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:
I blame the media for this; I find it very disturbing that a bunch of us have the noose and tree picked out for Paterno when we do not yet have all the facts. We have charging documents, which are ALLEGATIONS that have not been challenged yet. We have the benefit of HINDSIGHT and who wouldn’t do something different with the benefit of HINDSIGHT?
But in our society today, you are truly guilty (in the media and then the court of public opinion) until proven innocent. I find it very hard to believe based upon the entirety of Paterno’s body of work that he purposefully turned a blind eye to the affair. If he did, I will make that decision once ALL THE EVIDENCE IS DISCLOSED and decided upon.
A man reporting something up the chain of command the very next day is NOT engaging in any cover-up or sweeping anything under the rug.
Finally, as for the comment that he should have left whatever many years ago; without Paterno PSU is some little college out in Podunk, PA. Paterno made that University and earned the right to leave when he fucking wanted to.
Btw, my “nephew” just signed his LOI to go to PSU next year, to play basketball. [/quote]
You cannot be serious…in the grand jury testimony Paterno said McQueary was “visibly upset” and told him “Sandusky fondled, or touched, or horsed around with a boy in the locker room shower”
Once you hear that you throw McQueary into your car, drive to the police station and tell him to “TELL THEM EVERYTHING YOU SAW!”
You don’t tell the AD and go back to viewing game tape for that Saturday…You are JOE “fucking” PATERNO…you have to save those kids.
He CYA’d himself BARELY legally…but morally, you cannot see Sandusky on CAMPUS with OTHER young boys for YEARS afterward and not hold a large amount of culpability for the abuses that happened after you had a chance to stop it.
He was the captain of the ship, the buck stops with him.[/quote]
there is a wide chasm between “fondled” and “horsed around” in the shower. and we do not yet know the events that occurred thereafter. did they conduct an investigation and clear him?
point is, I’m not defending (or prosecuting) Paterno b/c we don’t know all the facts. we only know the ALLEGATIONS. without ALL the FACTS, how can you pass judgment or determine culpability.
as i said, typical american media. and typical of our current society to want to rip down an icon…for no other reason than he did more than us and we want to see him fail, like “us”.
don’t try to drag me into a debate about “what ifs”. my point is and will remain that there should be no judgment until we know all the facts. we do not have them. [/quote]
BG I agree to a point we tend to Witch hunt with the media. But the chain of events are starting to look very bad for JoePa, also he is not being indicted for anything. He is not on trial so how will it ever be discovered his level of involvement? [/quote]
Here’s the common rookie mistake with this kind of thing. It actually has some relevance to a malpractice claim. These things, like medical care, need to be examined in real time, when they occurred, based on what was known at the time - not with the benefit of looking back and “coulda woulda shoulda”. That’s not how it works. I’m sure you understand this as a medical professional, that’s why I used the analogy. If you could “coulda woulda shoulda” no doctor would ever win a malpractice claim.
My only point is this; we don’t yet have all the facts. We don’t have the timeline and we don’t have full development of exactly what Paterno knew, when he knew it and what was later related to him by the University and/or other authorities and what in turn was related back to him.
I am growing very uncomfortable b/c I don’t want to be perceived as defending anyone when there are children/victims at stake here. That is not my intent. My only point is, and shall remain, that we do not yet know all the facts. It’s way to early to be passing judgment and making statements about “culpability”.
No, he’s not on trial. But by the time this things get fully aired, I think we’ll have a good idea of who knew what, when they knew it and how they responded.
I still find it hard to believe he’d turn a blind eye to it. I do allow that I could be wrong though. What I’m not willing to do is concede that until I know all the facts, and the timeline.
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I agree on all your points BG you are playing Devils advocate and trying to look at this from an objective view point without emotion. Honestly when it comes to this topic I tend to have a very, very short fuse and tend to think through emotion.
I personally just feel sad about the whole thing, Football is my favorite past time and sport. I follow it at all levels and the back lash because of the Pedopieceofshit will forever taint a noble university.
This should not be about JoePa or the school or football.
They should parade this fucker naked through the streets and we stone his ass dead, old school testament style. [/quote]
I’m not even playing devil’s advocate. I would never defend a fucking molester. Ever. I’d fucking kill them. And I’d never defend someone complicit with molestation. All I’m saying is that right now, we don’t know what Joe Pa knew or didn’t know. And personally, I find it hard to believe that based upon his body of work - which is substantial and goes way beyond wins and losses, that he would turn a blind eye or engage in a cover-up.
I want all the facts before I pass judgment on Joe Pa. And I think as the process takes course, he needs to account for what he knew and when he knew it and why he did or didn’t do what he did. THEN we can pass judgment.