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[quote]scj119 wrote:

[quote]UtahLama wrote:

[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:
I blame the media for this; I find it very disturbing that a bunch of us have the noose and tree picked out for Paterno when we do not yet have all the facts. We have charging documents, which are ALLEGATIONS that have not been challenged yet. We have the benefit of HINDSIGHT and who wouldn’t do something different with the benefit of HINDSIGHT?

But in our society today, you are truly guilty (in the media and then the court of public opinion) until proven innocent. I find it very hard to believe based upon the entirety of Paterno’s body of work that he purposefully turned a blind eye to the affair. If he did, I will make that decision once ALL THE EVIDENCE IS DISCLOSED and decided upon.

A man reporting something up the chain of command the very next day is NOT engaging in any cover-up or sweeping anything under the rug.

Finally, as for the comment that he should have left whatever many years ago; without Paterno PSU is some little college out in Podunk, PA. Paterno made that University and earned the right to leave when he fucking wanted to.

Btw, my “nephew” just signed his LOI to go to PSU next year, to play basketball. [/quote]

You cannot be serious…in the grand jury testimony Paterno said McQueary was “visibly upset” and told him “Sandusky fondled, or touched, or horsed around with a boy in the locker room shower”

Once you hear that you throw McQueary into your car, drive to the police station and tell him to “TELL THEM EVERYTHING YOU SAW!”

You don’t tell the AD and go back to viewing game tape for that Saturday…You are JOE “fucking” PATERNO…you have to save those kids.

He CYA’d himself BARELY legally…but morally, you cannot see Sandusky on CAMPUS with OTHER young boys for YEARS afterward and not hold a large amount of culpability for the abuses that happened after you had a chance to stop it.

He was the captain of the ship, the buck stops with him.[/quote]

Yeah BG, the grand jury testimony is out there and it’s pretty clear Paterno knew what was up. Can you imagine what “visibly upset” means? I bet McQueary was shaking violently and crying.

Then again, he didn’t go to the cops either.

sigh.[/quote]

McQuery and the Janitor witness are more culpable than Paterno in this. Only slightly though.

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[quote]UtahLama wrote:

[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:
I blame the media for this; I find it very disturbing that a bunch of us have the noose and tree picked out for Paterno when we do not yet have all the facts. We have charging documents, which are ALLEGATIONS that have not been challenged yet. We have the benefit of HINDSIGHT and who wouldn’t do something different with the benefit of HINDSIGHT?

But in our society today, you are truly guilty (in the media and then the court of public opinion) until proven innocent. I find it very hard to believe based upon the entirety of Paterno’s body of work that he purposefully turned a blind eye to the affair. If he did, I will make that decision once ALL THE EVIDENCE IS DISCLOSED and decided upon.

A man reporting something up the chain of command the very next day is NOT engaging in any cover-up or sweeping anything under the rug.

Finally, as for the comment that he should have left whatever many years ago; without Paterno PSU is some little college out in Podunk, PA. Paterno made that University and earned the right to leave when he fucking wanted to.

Btw, my “nephew” just signed his LOI to go to PSU next year, to play basketball. [/quote]

You cannot be serious…in the grand jury testimony Paterno said McQueary was “visibly upset” and told him “Sandusky fondled, or touched, or horsed around with a boy in the locker room shower”

Once you hear that you throw McQueary into your car, drive to the police station and tell him to “TELL THEM EVERYTHING YOU SAW!”

You don’t tell the AD and go back to viewing game tape for that Saturday…You are JOE “fucking” PATERNO…you have to save those kids.

He CYA’d himself BARELY legally…but morally, you cannot see Sandusky on CAMPUS with OTHER young boys for YEARS afterward and not hold a large amount of culpability for the abuses that happened after you had a chance to stop it.

He was the captain of the ship, the buck stops with him.[/quote]

there is a wide chasm between “fondled” and “horsed around” in the shower. and we do not yet know the events that occurred thereafter. did they conduct an investigation and clear him?

point is, I’m not defending (or prosecuting) Paterno b/c we don’t know all the facts. we only know the ALLEGATIONS. without ALL the FACTS, how can you pass judgment or determine culpability.

as i said, typical american media. and typical of our current society to want to rip down an icon…for no other reason than he did more than us and we want to see him fail, like “us”.

don’t try to drag me into a debate about “what ifs”. my point is and will remain that there should be no judgment until we know all the facts. we do not have them.

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[quote]scj119 wrote:

[quote]UtahLama wrote:

[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:
I blame the media for this; I find it very disturbing that a bunch of us have the noose and tree picked out for Paterno when we do not yet have all the facts. We have charging documents, which are ALLEGATIONS that have not been challenged yet. We have the benefit of HINDSIGHT and who wouldn’t do something different with the benefit of HINDSIGHT?

But in our society today, you are truly guilty (in the media and then the court of public opinion) until proven innocent. I find it very hard to believe based upon the entirety of Paterno’s body of work that he purposefully turned a blind eye to the affair. If he did, I will make that decision once ALL THE EVIDENCE IS DISCLOSED and decided upon.

A man reporting something up the chain of command the very next day is NOT engaging in any cover-up or sweeping anything under the rug.

Finally, as for the comment that he should have left whatever many years ago; without Paterno PSU is some little college out in Podunk, PA. Paterno made that University and earned the right to leave when he fucking wanted to.

Btw, my “nephew” just signed his LOI to go to PSU next year, to play basketball. [/quote]

You cannot be serious…in the grand jury testimony Paterno said McQueary was “visibly upset” and told him “Sandusky fondled, or touched, or horsed around with a boy in the locker room shower”

Once you hear that you throw McQueary into your car, drive to the police station and tell him to “TELL THEM EVERYTHING YOU SAW!”

You don’t tell the AD and go back to viewing game tape for that Saturday…You are JOE “fucking” PATERNO…you have to save those kids.

He CYA’d himself BARELY legally…but morally, you cannot see Sandusky on CAMPUS with OTHER young boys for YEARS afterward and not hold a large amount of culpability for the abuses that happened after you had a chance to stop it.

He was the captain of the ship, the buck stops with him.[/quote]

Yeah BG, the grand jury testimony is out there and it’s pretty clear Paterno knew what was up. Can you imagine what “visibly upset” means? I bet McQueary was shaking violently and crying.

Then again, he didn’t go to the cops either.

sigh.[/quote]

sigh yes.

grand jury testimony is not an airing of all the facts. it’s a one-sided dog and pony show for the prosecution. it has one purpose.

and now you’re literally “imagining” that McQueary was shaking violently and crying. See the problem there?

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[quote]Dr. Pangloss wrote:
you’ve got to be fucking kidding me. I hope to God this isn’t true:

Things could get worse…

http://www.businessinsider.com/jerry...donors-2011-11

SHOCKING PENN STATE RUMOR: Jerry Sandusky ‘Pimped Out Young Boys To Rich Donors’
Sportswriter Mark Madden went on WEEI in Boston and reported a rumor that alleged child molester Jerry Sandusky would pimp out boys to rich donors.

“I hear a rumor that there will be a shocking development from the Second Miles Foundation … That Jerry Sandusky and Second Mile were pimping out young boys to rich donors.”

Madden claims it’s being investigated by “two prominent columnists.”

We’d say this is ridiculous, and that you should take it with a grain of salt. But Madden actually wrote about Sandusky for the Beaver County Times six months ago â?? long before the scandal blindsided everyone else this week.

Madden also claimed Sandusky was forced out of Penn State in 1999.

“I think you’ll find out that Jerry Sandusky was told he had to retire in exchange for a cover up.”

Sandusky retired at 55 in 1999, a year after Pennsylvania police investigated (but did not prosecute) him for alleged molesting a boy.

Again, label this under “RUMOR.” But Madden has been out in front of this story before, so stay tuned. [/quote]

Sounds like a salacious rumor to me, but… isn’t Madden the guy who wrote about Sandusky’s possible indictment back in April?

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[quote]BONEZ217 wrote:

[quote]scj119 wrote:

[quote]UtahLama wrote:

[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:
I blame the media for this; I find it very disturbing that a bunch of us have the noose and tree picked out for Paterno when we do not yet have all the facts. We have charging documents, which are ALLEGATIONS that have not been challenged yet. We have the benefit of HINDSIGHT and who wouldn’t do something different with the benefit of HINDSIGHT?

But in our society today, you are truly guilty (in the media and then the court of public opinion) until proven innocent. I find it very hard to believe based upon the entirety of Paterno’s body of work that he purposefully turned a blind eye to the affair. If he did, I will make that decision once ALL THE EVIDENCE IS DISCLOSED and decided upon.

A man reporting something up the chain of command the very next day is NOT engaging in any cover-up or sweeping anything under the rug.

Finally, as for the comment that he should have left whatever many years ago; without Paterno PSU is some little college out in Podunk, PA. Paterno made that University and earned the right to leave when he fucking wanted to.

Btw, my “nephew” just signed his LOI to go to PSU next year, to play basketball. [/quote]

You cannot be serious…in the grand jury testimony Paterno said McQueary was “visibly upset” and told him “Sandusky fondled, or touched, or horsed around with a boy in the locker room shower”

Once you hear that you throw McQueary into your car, drive to the police station and tell him to “TELL THEM EVERYTHING YOU SAW!”

You don’t tell the AD and go back to viewing game tape for that Saturday…You are JOE “fucking” PATERNO…you have to save those kids.

He CYA’d himself BARELY legally…but morally, you cannot see Sandusky on CAMPUS with OTHER young boys for YEARS afterward and not hold a large amount of culpability for the abuses that happened after you had a chance to stop it.

He was the captain of the ship, the buck stops with him.[/quote]

Yeah BG, the grand jury testimony is out there and it’s pretty clear Paterno knew what was up. Can you imagine what “visibly upset” means? I bet McQueary was shaking violently and crying.

Then again, he didn’t go to the cops either.

sigh.[/quote]

McQuery and the Janitor witness are more culpable than Paterno in this. Only slightly though. [/quote]

you of all people surprise me discussing “culpability” before all the facts have been disclosed.

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[quote]Derek542 wrote:

[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:

[quote]Derek542 wrote:

[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
The sad part will be if this kills Paterno. Old guys in a position like that tend to have their health go to shit real quick when it ends.[/quote]

And if he truly did cover this up, then I really hope he enjoys hell cause he will be there soon. [/quote]

How does one engage in a cover-up when they report an incident to their superior the very next day? How is that even smell like “cover-up” on his part? [/quote]

BG in my opinion if one of my staff was engaged in this activity I would not just report to my boss, I would report to the cops. Again full story has not been truly investigated as of yet correct? This goes beyond violating school policy this is a criminal act.

I also just stated if he did cover it up not that he did.

But also I really really doubt that JoePa could have not known something. [/quote]

“fondled” or “horsing around”? which would you report to the cops? both? c’mon. i don’t disagree with you in theory though.

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^^yeah he is.

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[quote]UtahLama wrote:

[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:
I blame the media for this; I find it very disturbing that a bunch of us have the noose and tree picked out for Paterno when we do not yet have all the facts. We have charging documents, which are ALLEGATIONS that have not been challenged yet. We have the benefit of HINDSIGHT and who wouldn’t do something different with the benefit of HINDSIGHT?

But in our society today, you are truly guilty (in the media and then the court of public opinion) until proven innocent. I find it very hard to believe based upon the entirety of Paterno’s body of work that he purposefully turned a blind eye to the affair. If he did, I will make that decision once ALL THE EVIDENCE IS DISCLOSED and decided upon.

A man reporting something up the chain of command the very next day is NOT engaging in any cover-up or sweeping anything under the rug.

Finally, as for the comment that he should have left whatever many years ago; without Paterno PSU is some little college out in Podunk, PA. Paterno made that University and earned the right to leave when he fucking wanted to.

Btw, my “nephew” just signed his LOI to go to PSU next year, to play basketball. [/quote]

You cannot be serious…in the grand jury testimony Paterno said McQueary was “visibly upset” and told him “Sandusky fondled, or touched, or horsed around with a boy in the locker room shower”

Once you hear that you throw McQueary into your car, drive to the police station and tell him to “TELL THEM EVERYTHING YOU SAW!”

You don’t tell the AD and go back to viewing game tape for that Saturday…You are JOE “fucking” PATERNO…you have to save those kids.

He CYA’d himself BARELY legally…but morally, you cannot see Sandusky on CAMPUS with OTHER young boys for YEARS afterward and not hold a large amount of culpability for the abuses that happened after you had a chance to stop it.

He was the captain of the ship, the buck stops with him.[/quote

I have to agree with this too. From the information out there, it seems like everyone involved was more concerned with saving the reputaion of Penn State than those innocent kids.

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[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:

[quote]UtahLama wrote:

[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:
I blame the media for this; I find it very disturbing that a bunch of us have the noose and tree picked out for Paterno when we do not yet have all the facts. We have charging documents, which are ALLEGATIONS that have not been challenged yet. We have the benefit of HINDSIGHT and who wouldn’t do something different with the benefit of HINDSIGHT?

But in our society today, you are truly guilty (in the media and then the court of public opinion) until proven innocent. I find it very hard to believe based upon the entirety of Paterno’s body of work that he purposefully turned a blind eye to the affair. If he did, I will make that decision once ALL THE EVIDENCE IS DISCLOSED and decided upon.

A man reporting something up the chain of command the very next day is NOT engaging in any cover-up or sweeping anything under the rug.

Finally, as for the comment that he should have left whatever many years ago; without Paterno PSU is some little college out in Podunk, PA. Paterno made that University and earned the right to leave when he fucking wanted to.

Btw, my “nephew” just signed his LOI to go to PSU next year, to play basketball. [/quote]

You cannot be serious…in the grand jury testimony Paterno said McQueary was “visibly upset” and told him “Sandusky fondled, or touched, or horsed around with a boy in the locker room shower”

Once you hear that you throw McQueary into your car, drive to the police station and tell him to “TELL THEM EVERYTHING YOU SAW!”

You don’t tell the AD and go back to viewing game tape for that Saturday…You are JOE “fucking” PATERNO…you have to save those kids.

He CYA’d himself BARELY legally…but morally, you cannot see Sandusky on CAMPUS with OTHER young boys for YEARS afterward and not hold a large amount of culpability for the abuses that happened after you had a chance to stop it.

He was the captain of the ship, the buck stops with him.[/quote]

there is a wide chasm between “fondled” and “horsed around” in the shower. and we do not yet know the events that occurred thereafter. did they conduct an investigation and clear him?

point is, I’m not defending (or prosecuting) Paterno b/c we don’t know all the facts. we only know the ALLEGATIONS. without ALL the FACTS, how can you pass judgment or determine culpability.

as i said, typical american media. and typical of our current society to want to rip down an icon…for no other reason than he did more than us and we want to see him fail, like “us”.

don’t try to drag me into a debate about “what ifs”. my point is and will remain that there should be no judgment until we know all the facts. we do not have them. [/quote]

BG I agree to a point we tend to Witch hunt with the media. But the chain of events are starting to look very bad for JoePa, also he is not being indicted for anything. He is not on trial so how will it ever be discovered his level of involvement?

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[quote]scj119 wrote:

[quote]Dr. Pangloss wrote:
you’ve got to be fucking kidding me. I hope to God this isn’t true:
[/quote]

Sounds like a salacious rumor to me, but… isn’t Madden the guy who wrote about Sandusky’s possible indictment back in April?[/quote]

He is, and I’m guessing it’s just a terrible rumor as well. Unfortunately, as if the original story isn’t horrific enough, it seems as though people can’t help but create even more terrible stories.

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[quote]scj119 wrote:

[quote]Derek542 wrote:

[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:

[quote]Derek542 wrote:

[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
The sad part will be if this kills Paterno. Old guys in a position like that tend to have their health go to shit real quick when it ends.[/quote]

And if he truly did cover this up, then I really hope he enjoys hell cause he will be there soon. [/quote]

How does one engage in a cover-up when they report an incident to their superior the very next day? How is that even smell like “cover-up” on his part? [/quote]

BG in my opinion if one of my staff was engaged in this activity I would not just report to my boss, I would report to the cops. Again full story has not been truly investigated as of yet correct? This goes beyond violating school policy this is a criminal act.

I also just stated if he did cover it up not that he did.

But also I really really doubt that JoePa could have not known something. [/quote]

JoePa has said that McQueary was “visibly upset” and told him “Sandusky fondled, or touched, or horsed around with a boy”, said he didn’t remember the exact words (shady).

He DID report to the head of campus police. He should’ve done more (gone to local police, or state police, whatever).

Curley is being charged with perjury and still is our athletic director. Oh by the way he was also the AD when the PSU woman’s coach was brought down for not allowing lesbians to play. Still employed.[/quote]

you don’t think we’re drawing fine lines here. he reported to campus POLICE. they are still POLICE, acting under color and authority of the STATE with police powers. why would you, or anyone, seem to imply that campus police are the equivalent of mall security? this is a major State college. these are real police. kind of makes the argument that “he didn’t go to police” false.

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[quote]phillygirl wrote:
From the information out there, [/quote]

Most important thing uttered in this thread.

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[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:

[quote]Derek542 wrote:

[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:

[quote]Derek542 wrote:

[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
The sad part will be if this kills Paterno. Old guys in a position like that tend to have their health go to shit real quick when it ends.[/quote]

And if he truly did cover this up, then I really hope he enjoys hell cause he will be there soon. [/quote]

How does one engage in a cover-up when they report an incident to their superior the very next day? How is that even smell like “cover-up” on his part? [/quote]

BG in my opinion if one of my staff was engaged in this activity I would not just report to my boss, I would report to the cops. Again full story has not been truly investigated as of yet correct? This goes beyond violating school policy this is a criminal act.

I also just stated if he did cover it up not that he did.

But also I really really doubt that JoePa could have not known something. [/quote]

“fondled” or “horsing around”? which would you report to the cops? both? c’mon. i don’t disagree with you in theory though. [/quote]

You wouldnt report a claim that a grown man fondled a 10 year old boy to the police? You have a kid and that’s really how you feel? That’s scary.

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As of now McQueary still plans to coach Saturday. I hope our fans have the presence of mind to boo and heckle the shit out of him.

It makes me sick I served him and was polite to him back when I went there (he frequented the bars a fair amount). Quite possibly even after the incident.

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[quote]BONEZ217 wrote:

Allegations that Sandusky’s charity was used as a front for a sex trafficking ring.

If true, the surface on this has barely been scratched. [/quote]

If true, that’s even more horrible than I imagined, but I’ve been saying all along that this is WAY bigger than we could possibly imagine and the cover-ups extend way past the university. Like I said last page, I’m not sure we’ll ever know the full truth, but if we even get halfway there what we know now won’t have even scratched the surface. Again, this will be the biggest story in American sports history. All hell is fixing to break loose.

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If I saw a naked old man in the shower “horsing around” with a naked minor, I’m intervening immediately.

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[quote]BONEZ217 wrote:

McQuery and the Janitor witness are more culpable than Paterno in this. Only slightly though. [/quote]
Agreed, due to them being right there, seeing it before their very eyes.

Paterno’s culpability rises not only from the fact that McQueary told him about it, but also given his stature at that university. No one had more power to stop what was going on than Paterno himself, and it is unreasonable to think that he did not know more.

Paterno ran that whole place. He answered to no one. Everyone else who was connected to this was basically an underling to Paterno, even his supposed superiors according to the org chart. Sandusky was at Penn State nearly as long as Paterno himself and was a colleague and friend for decades. These things took place in Paterno’s own locker rooms. Anyone familiar with the power a long-term, successful football coach has at a school like this where the whole system is basically run by the football program also knows that it is not unheard of for the head coach to have influence over more than just football matters, including but not limited to law and order.

Think about most of the scandals, minor or major, in college football over the past few years. How many of them blew up after a cover up involving the head coach was discovered? They cover shit up all the time. Paterno himself came under some criticism a few years back for basically dismissing any concern over a rash of player arrests and incidents of violence.

Not only could Paterno (in addition to others) have called the cops when he first learned what was going on in 2002, but he had the power, moreso than anyone, to follow up, see that something was done about it, put it to an end, whatever. He was not solely responsible for no action being taken, but the buck certainly stopped with Paterno at Penn State, so the responsibility and negligence certainly does lay at his feet.

He could have stopped it. He did not. Victims of abuse continued to suffer. Now PSU suffers. That is why he is gone, and rightfully so.

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[quote]Derek542 wrote:

[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:

[quote]UtahLama wrote:

[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:
I blame the media for this; I find it very disturbing that a bunch of us have the noose and tree picked out for Paterno when we do not yet have all the facts. We have charging documents, which are ALLEGATIONS that have not been challenged yet. We have the benefit of HINDSIGHT and who wouldn’t do something different with the benefit of HINDSIGHT?

But in our society today, you are truly guilty (in the media and then the court of public opinion) until proven innocent. I find it very hard to believe based upon the entirety of Paterno’s body of work that he purposefully turned a blind eye to the affair. If he did, I will make that decision once ALL THE EVIDENCE IS DISCLOSED and decided upon.

A man reporting something up the chain of command the very next day is NOT engaging in any cover-up or sweeping anything under the rug.

Finally, as for the comment that he should have left whatever many years ago; without Paterno PSU is some little college out in Podunk, PA. Paterno made that University and earned the right to leave when he fucking wanted to.

Btw, my “nephew” just signed his LOI to go to PSU next year, to play basketball. [/quote]

You cannot be serious…in the grand jury testimony Paterno said McQueary was “visibly upset” and told him “Sandusky fondled, or touched, or horsed around with a boy in the locker room shower”

Once you hear that you throw McQueary into your car, drive to the police station and tell him to “TELL THEM EVERYTHING YOU SAW!”

You don’t tell the AD and go back to viewing game tape for that Saturday…You are JOE “fucking” PATERNO…you have to save those kids.

He CYA’d himself BARELY legally…but morally, you cannot see Sandusky on CAMPUS with OTHER young boys for YEARS afterward and not hold a large amount of culpability for the abuses that happened after you had a chance to stop it.

He was the captain of the ship, the buck stops with him.[/quote]

there is a wide chasm between “fondled” and “horsed around” in the shower. and we do not yet know the events that occurred thereafter. did they conduct an investigation and clear him?

point is, I’m not defending (or prosecuting) Paterno b/c we don’t know all the facts. we only know the ALLEGATIONS. without ALL the FACTS, how can you pass judgment or determine culpability.

as i said, typical american media. and typical of our current society to want to rip down an icon…for no other reason than he did more than us and we want to see him fail, like “us”.

don’t try to drag me into a debate about “what ifs”. my point is and will remain that there should be no judgment until we know all the facts. we do not have them. [/quote]

BG I agree to a point we tend to Witch hunt with the media. But the chain of events are starting to look very bad for JoePa, also he is not being indicted for anything. He is not on trial so how will it ever be discovered his level of involvement? [/quote]

Here’s the common rookie mistake with this kind of thing. It actually has some relevance to a malpractice claim. These things, like medical care, need to be examined in real time, when they occurred, based on what was known at the time - not with the benefit of looking back and “coulda woulda shoulda”. That’s not how it works. I’m sure you understand this as a medical professional, that’s why I used the analogy. If you could “coulda woulda shoulda” no doctor would ever win a malpractice claim.

My only point is this; we don’t yet have all the facts. We don’t have the timeline and we don’t have full development of exactly what Paterno knew, when he knew it and what was later related to him by the University and/or other authorities and what in turn was related back to him.

I am growing very uncomfortable b/c I don’t want to be perceived as defending anyone when there are children/victims at stake here. That is not my intent. My only point is, and shall remain, that we do not yet know all the facts. It’s way to early to be passing judgment and making statements about “culpability”.

No, he’s not on trial. But by the time this things get fully aired, I think we’ll have a good idea of who knew what, when they knew it and how they responded.

I still find it hard to believe he’d turn a blind eye to it. I do allow that I could be wrong though. What I’m not willing to do is concede that until I know all the facts, and the timeline.

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I think one thing is certain.

No one will ever be able to bear this much singular influence on a University ever again. Because college football is so competitive, rarely do you see a head coach who has been tenured at one school for over a decade, not to mention four. The transgressions of something like this are the ultimate and unfortunate example as to why.

No more “old guard.”

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[quote]BONEZ217 wrote:

[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:

[quote]Derek542 wrote:

[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:

[quote]Derek542 wrote:

[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
The sad part will be if this kills Paterno. Old guys in a position like that tend to have their health go to shit real quick when it ends.[/quote]

And if he truly did cover this up, then I really hope he enjoys hell cause he will be there soon. [/quote]

How does one engage in a cover-up when they report an incident to their superior the very next day? How is that even smell like “cover-up” on his part? [/quote]

BG in my opinion if one of my staff was engaged in this activity I would not just report to my boss, I would report to the cops. Again full story has not been truly investigated as of yet correct? This goes beyond violating school policy this is a criminal act.

I also just stated if he did cover it up not that he did.

But also I really really doubt that JoePa could have not known something. [/quote]

“fondled” or “horsing around”? which would you report to the cops? both? c’mon. i don’t disagree with you in theory though. [/quote]

You wouldnt report a claim that a grown man fondled a 10 year old boy to the police? You have a kid and that’s really how you feel? That’s scary. [/quote]

well that was a major reading comprehension fail. first of all, make no mistake. i’d have a hole dug for any tree jumper i knew about and if you touched my kid, i’d probably not be capable of keeping my composure long enough to plan your demise. i’d go to jail.

now, as to what i said; i, perhaps poorly, meant to say there is a big difference between “fondled” and “horsing around”. “horsing around” can mean a lot of things, many of which would not rise to “abuse” or a report to the police. “fondling” obvious requires a different response and HE DID report it to the police, lest you believe that campus police are not “police”. like it or not, they most assuredly are. and when you exist in the enclave of a university like that, they ARE the police just the same as you are currently thinking of “police”.