[quote]therajraj wrote:
Are they going to rename the library?
Aptly named IMO, libraries should be full of silence. [/quote]
And what, refund the $10M he gave? Tricky situation there.
You guys want to feel sicker? Sandusky wrote an autobiography in 2001. The title was “Touched”.
[quote]scj119 wrote:
You guys want to feel sicker? Sandusky wrote an autobiography in 2001. The title was “Touched”.
Not to pick on you or anything since this effects you on a personal level, but that’s probably third or 4th time someone mentioned this in this thread.
[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
[quote]Edevus wrote:
[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
The sad part will be if this kills Paterno. Old guys in a position like that tend to have their health go to shit real quick when it ends.[/quote]
The mental health of the abused children is probably in even worst state.
He didn’t move a finger to prevent it.[/quote]
No doubt. I’m not saying he doesn’t deserve it. He should absolutely have been fired. He failed as a human being.
But it will still be sad if he’s dead in 6 months. To fall so quickly from that high. The whole thing is sad.[/quote]
Oh Paterno will be dead before the start of next season, I have no doubt. Older folks invest their souls in to their jobs. When they quit doing the thing they love they die. Look at Andy Rooney. He lasted 2 months max.
[quote]scj119 wrote:
You guys want to feel sicker? Sandusky wrote an autobiography in 2001. The title was “Touched”.
He should change it to “Fucked”
[quote]therajraj wrote:
[quote]scj119 wrote:
You guys want to feel sicker? Sandusky wrote an autobiography in 2001. The title was “Touched”.
Not to pick on you or anything since this effects you on a personal level, but that’s probably third or 4th time someone mentioned this in this thread.[/quote]
Sorry, it traveled too fast for me to read everything.
[quote]scj119 wrote:
[quote]Derek542 wrote:
[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:
[quote]Derek542 wrote:
[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
The sad part will be if this kills Paterno. Old guys in a position like that tend to have their health go to shit real quick when it ends.[/quote]
And if he truly did cover this up, then I really hope he enjoys hell cause he will be there soon. [/quote]
How does one engage in a cover-up when they report an incident to their superior the very next day? How is that even smell like “cover-up” on his part? [/quote]
BG in my opinion if one of my staff was engaged in this activity I would not just report to my boss, I would report to the cops. Again full story has not been truly investigated as of yet correct? This goes beyond violating school policy this is a criminal act.
I also just stated if he did cover it up not that he did.
But also I really really doubt that JoePa could have not known something. [/quote]
JoePa has said that McQueary was “visibly upset” and told him “Sandusky fondled, or touched, or horsed around with a boy”, said he didn’t remember the exact words (shady).
He DID report to the head of campus police. He should’ve done more (gone to local police, or state police, whatever).
Curley is being charged with perjury and still is our athletic director. Oh by the way he was also the AD when the PSU woman’s coach was brought down for not allowing lesbians to play. Still employed.[/quote]
Not to pile on, but wasn’t Paterno the AD that brought the coach in to begin with? I believe he was one of her major supporters at the school, as well.
I honestly think Paterno pushed the Trustees to fire him yesterday with his statement that he would be retiring so the Board need not worry about him. I think the Board had to react immediately to that.
I’m not saying the others won’t be fired by week’s end, but Paterno was the one who was vocal that he wouldn’t be gone until the end of the season.
If they dont clean house, this will hurt recruiting and put them at the cellar of the big 10 in the future. Plus the public outcry will come next if they dont. They will always be viewed as covering things up. Personally I would fire everyone and start over.
I believe that Paterno will die soon and take the whole truth with him to his death bed. There is SO MUCH going on that just flat doesn’t add up, and I’m convinced we will never figure out how deep the conspiracy to keep this quiet goes. But, believe me when I say that there’s been massive cover-up by more than just people at the school. Something this big DOES NOT go unnoticed and unpunished without help from people in the highest of places.
[quote]scj119 wrote:
You guys want to feel sicker? Sandusky wrote an autobiography in 2001. The title was “Touched”.
I already posted that pages back. I included the cover.
[quote]Iron Dwarf wrote:
[quote]scj119 wrote:
You guys want to feel sicker? Sandusky wrote an autobiography in 2001. The title was “Touched”.
I already posted that pages back. I included the cover.[/quote]
And someone else posted it a few pages before you. Not saying this is your intention, but let us PLEASE not derail this thread.
[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:
I blame the media for this; I find it very disturbing that a bunch of us have the noose and tree picked out for Paterno when we do not yet have all the facts. We have charging documents, which are ALLEGATIONS that have not been challenged yet. We have the benefit of HINDSIGHT and who wouldn’t do something different with the benefit of HINDSIGHT?
But in our society today, you are truly guilty (in the media and then the court of public opinion) until proven innocent. I find it very hard to believe based upon the entirety of Paterno’s body of work that he purposefully turned a blind eye to the affair. If he did, I will make that decision once ALL THE EVIDENCE IS DISCLOSED and decided upon.
A man reporting something up the chain of command the very next day is NOT engaging in any cover-up or sweeping anything under the rug.
Finally, as for the comment that he should have left whatever many years ago; without Paterno PSU is some little college out in Podunk, PA. Paterno made that University and earned the right to leave when he fucking wanted to.
Btw, my “nephew” just signed his LOI to go to PSU next year, to play basketball. [/quote]
You cannot be serious…in the grand jury testimony Paterno said McQueary was “visibly upset” and told him “Sandusky fondled, or touched, or horsed around with a boy in the locker room shower”
Once you hear that you throw McQueary into your car, drive to the police station and tell him to “TELL THEM EVERYTHING YOU SAW!”
You don’t tell the AD and go back to viewing game tape for that Saturday…You are JOE “fucking” PATERNO…you have to save those kids.
He CYA’d himself BARELY legally…but morally, you cannot see Sandusky on CAMPUS with OTHER young boys for YEARS afterward and not hold a large amount of culpability for the abuses that happened after you had a chance to stop it.
He was the captain of the ship, the buck stops with him.
[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:
[quote]Iron Dwarf wrote:
[quote]scj119 wrote:
You guys want to feel sicker? Sandusky wrote an autobiography in 2001. The title was “Touched”.
I already posted that pages back. I included the cover.[/quote]
And someone else posted it a few pages before you. Not saying this is your intention, but let us PLEASE not derail this thread.[/quote]
WTF?? My post also included a mention about Dick Vermiel writing the Foreward! Where is it?
[quote]UtahLama wrote:
[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:
I blame the media for this; I find it very disturbing that a bunch of us have the noose and tree picked out for Paterno when we do not yet have all the facts. We have charging documents, which are ALLEGATIONS that have not been challenged yet. We have the benefit of HINDSIGHT and who wouldn’t do something different with the benefit of HINDSIGHT?
But in our society today, you are truly guilty (in the media and then the court of public opinion) until proven innocent. I find it very hard to believe based upon the entirety of Paterno’s body of work that he purposefully turned a blind eye to the affair. If he did, I will make that decision once ALL THE EVIDENCE IS DISCLOSED and decided upon.
A man reporting something up the chain of command the very next day is NOT engaging in any cover-up or sweeping anything under the rug.
Finally, as for the comment that he should have left whatever many years ago; without Paterno PSU is some little college out in Podunk, PA. Paterno made that University and earned the right to leave when he fucking wanted to.
Btw, my “nephew” just signed his LOI to go to PSU next year, to play basketball. [/quote]
You cannot be serious…in the grand jury testimony Paterno said McQueary was “visibly upset” and told him “Sandusky fondled, or touched, or horsed around with a boy in the locker room shower”
Once you hear that you throw McQueary into your car, drive to the police station and tell him to “TELL THEM EVERYTHING YOU SAW!”
You don’t tell the AD and go back to viewing game tape for that Saturday…You are JOE “fucking” PATERNO…you have to save those kids.
He CYA’d himself BARELY legally…but morally, you cannot see Sandusky on CAMPUS with OTHER young boys for YEARS afterward and not hold a large amount of culpability for the abuses that happened after you had a chance to stop it.
He was the captain of the ship, the buck stops with him.[/quote]
I have to agree. The child is OWED nothing less than that.
[quote]SmilingPolitely wrote:
[quote]scj119 wrote:
[quote]Derek542 wrote:
[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:
[quote]Derek542 wrote:
[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
The sad part will be if this kills Paterno. Old guys in a position like that tend to have their health go to shit real quick when it ends.[/quote]
And if he truly did cover this up, then I really hope he enjoys hell cause he will be there soon. [/quote]
How does one engage in a cover-up when they report an incident to their superior the very next day? How is that even smell like “cover-up” on his part? [/quote]
BG in my opinion if one of my staff was engaged in this activity I would not just report to my boss, I would report to the cops. Again full story has not been truly investigated as of yet correct? This goes beyond violating school policy this is a criminal act.
I also just stated if he did cover it up not that he did.
But also I really really doubt that JoePa could have not known something. [/quote]
JoePa has said that McQueary was “visibly upset” and told him “Sandusky fondled, or touched, or horsed around with a boy”, said he didn’t remember the exact words (shady).
He DID report to the head of campus police. He should’ve done more (gone to local police, or state police, whatever).
Curley is being charged with perjury and still is our athletic director. Oh by the way he was also the AD when the PSU woman’s coach was brought down for not allowing lesbians to play. Still employed.[/quote]
Not to pile on, but wasn’t Paterno the AD that brought the coach in to begin with? I believe he was one of her major supporters at the school, as well.
I honestly think Paterno pushed the Trustees to fire him yesterday with his statement that he would be retiring so the Board need not worry about him. I think the Board had to react immediately to that.
I’m not saying the others won’t be fired by week’s end, but Paterno was the one who was vocal that he wouldn’t be gone until the end of the season.
[/quote]
Maybe he did, but Spanier (PSU President) did no such thing and he was fired too.
Clean house or wait for it to play out… don’t clean the basement, leave the first floor untouched and start planning then.
You’ve got to be fucking kidding me. I hope to God this isn’t true:
[quote]Iron Dwarf wrote:
[quote]UtahLama wrote:
[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:
I blame the media for this; I find it very disturbing that a bunch of us have the noose and tree picked out for Paterno when we do not yet have all the facts. We have charging documents, which are ALLEGATIONS that have not been challenged yet. We have the benefit of HINDSIGHT and who wouldn’t do something different with the benefit of HINDSIGHT?
But in our society today, you are truly guilty (in the media and then the court of public opinion) until proven innocent. I find it very hard to believe based upon the entirety of Paterno’s body of work that he purposefully turned a blind eye to the affair. If he did, I will make that decision once ALL THE EVIDENCE IS DISCLOSED and decided upon.
A man reporting something up the chain of command the very next day is NOT engaging in any cover-up or sweeping anything under the rug.
Finally, as for the comment that he should have left whatever many years ago; without Paterno PSU is some little college out in Podunk, PA. Paterno made that University and earned the right to leave when he fucking wanted to.
Btw, my “nephew” just signed his LOI to go to PSU next year, to play basketball. [/quote]
You cannot be serious…in the grand jury testimony Paterno said McQueary was “visibly upset” and told him “Sandusky fondled, or touched, or horsed around with a boy in the locker room shower”
Once you hear that you throw McQueary into your car, drive to the police station and tell him to “TELL THEM EVERYTHING YOU SAW!”
You don’t tell the AD and go back to viewing game tape for that Saturday…You are JOE “fucking” PATERNO…you have to save those kids.
He CYA’d himself BARELY legally…but morally, you cannot see Sandusky on CAMPUS with OTHER young boys for YEARS afterward and not hold a large amount of culpability for the abuses that happened after you had a chance to stop it.
He was the captain of the ship, the buck stops with him.[/quote]
I have to agree. The child is OWED nothing less than that.
[/quote]
The chain of events read like JoePa blew it off and acted like he had more important things to worry about at the time.
So yea maybe not cover up, but fucking negligence for sure.
Allegations that Sandusky’s charity was used as a front for a sex trafficking ring.
If true, the surface on this has barely been scratched.
[quote]UtahLama wrote:
[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:
I blame the media for this; I find it very disturbing that a bunch of us have the noose and tree picked out for Paterno when we do not yet have all the facts. We have charging documents, which are ALLEGATIONS that have not been challenged yet. We have the benefit of HINDSIGHT and who wouldn’t do something different with the benefit of HINDSIGHT?
But in our society today, you are truly guilty (in the media and then the court of public opinion) until proven innocent. I find it very hard to believe based upon the entirety of Paterno’s body of work that he purposefully turned a blind eye to the affair. If he did, I will make that decision once ALL THE EVIDENCE IS DISCLOSED and decided upon.
A man reporting something up the chain of command the very next day is NOT engaging in any cover-up or sweeping anything under the rug.
Finally, as for the comment that he should have left whatever many years ago; without Paterno PSU is some little college out in Podunk, PA. Paterno made that University and earned the right to leave when he fucking wanted to.
Btw, my “nephew” just signed his LOI to go to PSU next year, to play basketball. [/quote]
You cannot be serious…in the grand jury testimony Paterno said McQueary was “visibly upset” and told him “Sandusky fondled, or touched, or horsed around with a boy in the locker room shower”
Once you hear that you throw McQueary into your car, drive to the police station and tell him to “TELL THEM EVERYTHING YOU SAW!”
You don’t tell the AD and go back to viewing game tape for that Saturday…You are JOE “fucking” PATERNO…you have to save those kids.
He CYA’d himself BARELY legally…but morally, you cannot see Sandusky on CAMPUS with OTHER young boys for YEARS afterward and not hold a large amount of culpability for the abuses that happened after you had a chance to stop it.
He was the captain of the ship, the buck stops with him.[/quote]
Yeah BG, the grand jury testimony is out there and it’s pretty clear Paterno knew what was up. Can you imagine what “visibly upset” means? I bet McQueary was shaking violently and crying.
Then again, he didn’t go to the cops either.
sigh.
you’ve got to be fucking kidding me. I hope to God this isn’t true:
Things could get worse…
http://www.businessinsider.com/jerry...donors-2011-11
SHOCKING PENN STATE RUMOR: Jerry Sandusky ‘Pimped Out Young Boys To Rich Donors’
Sportswriter Mark Madden went on WEEI in Boston and reported a rumor that alleged child molester Jerry Sandusky would pimp out boys to rich donors.
“I hear a rumor that there will be a shocking development from the Second Miles Foundation … That Jerry Sandusky and Second Mile were pimping out young boys to rich donors.”
Madden claims it’s being investigated by “two prominent columnists.”
We’d say this is ridiculous, and that you should take it with a grain of salt. But Madden actually wrote about Sandusky for the Beaver County Times six months ago â?? long before the scandal blindsided everyone else this week.
Madden also claimed Sandusky was forced out of Penn State in 1999.
“I think you’ll find out that Jerry Sandusky was told he had to retire in exchange for a cover up.”
Sandusky retired at 55 in 1999, a year after Pennsylvania police investigated (but did not prosecute) him for alleged molesting a boy.
Again, label this under “RUMOR.” But Madden has been out in front of this story before, so stay tuned.