[quote]awesomeguy1234 wrote:
i dont care, but im gonna say it…
there were people picketing and rallying calling for mike vicks head on a platter because he participated in the murdering of dogs, while joe paterno ignores the molestation and rape of young children at the hands of one of his top assistant coaches and people create mobs and riot in his defense…!?
he has no excuse, he shouldve been fired and i think penn state handled it the best that they could given everything that was involved, but theyre all covering their own ass and anyone from the president down is at fault. [/quote]
OK so why isn’t anyone else getting fired?
They are firing people becuase of PR, not because of the incident(s).
Seeing the riots at Penn State that occured after the firing forced me to lose a ton of respect for the so called “students” that attend that institution.
Who riots after someone connected to a sexual abuse scandal is fired? (not a single incident but repeated offenses)
Either there all a bunch of low class imbeciles, or their suffering from a variation of Stockholm’s syndrome.
[quote]WestCoast7 wrote:
Seeing the riots at Penn State that occured after the firing forced me to lose a ton of respect for the so called “students” that attend that institution.
Who riots after someone connected to a sexual abuse scandal is fired? (not a single incident but repeated offenses)
Either there all a bunch of low class imbeciles, or their suffering from a variation of Stockholm’s syndrome.[/quote]
Blame those rioting, not the entire thing. There are tons of them who did NOT riot for whatever reason, but I doubt the vast majority of them are rioting for this.
[quote]WestCoast7 wrote:
Seeing the riots at Penn State that occured after the firing forced me to lose a ton of respect for the so called “students” that attend that institution.
Who riots after someone connected to a sexual abuse scandal is fired? (not a single incident but repeated offenses)
Either there all a bunch of low class imbeciles, or their suffering from a variation of Stockholm’s syndrome.[/quote]
Blame those rioting, not the entire thing. There are tons of them who did NOT riot for whatever reason, but I doubt the vast majority of them are rioting for this. [/quote]
The institution allowed the acts to be committed, repeatedly, and then attempted to cover them up. Then those that live and learn within the institution chose to riot when punishment is handed out.
While I agree that those rioting are the ones to be blamed, I do think it goes deeper than that.
[quote]WestCoast7 wrote:
Seeing the riots at Penn State that occured after the firing forced me to lose a ton of respect for the so called “students” that attend that institution.
Who riots after someone connected to a sexual abuse scandal is fired? (not a single incident but repeated offenses)
Either there all a bunch of low class imbeciles, or their suffering from a variation of Stockholm’s syndrome.[/quote]
You’re naive if you think the same thing wouldn’t happen at any college where a coach has been there 40 years. These are 20 year old kids you are talking about.
A lot of the outrage is that no one else got fired and it’s sickening they’d fire just Paterno and not people who knew more and did less.
[quote]WestCoast7 wrote:
Seeing the riots at Penn State that occured after the firing forced me to lose a ton of respect for the so called “students” that attend that institution.
Who riots after someone connected to a sexual abuse scandal is fired? (not a single incident but repeated offenses)
Either there all a bunch of low class imbeciles, or their suffering from a variation of Stockholm’s syndrome.[/quote]
Blame those rioting, not the entire thing. There are tons of them who did NOT riot for whatever reason, but I doubt the vast majority of them are rioting for this. [/quote]
The institution allowed the acts to be committed, repeatedly, and then attempted to cover them up. Then those that live and learn within the institution chose to riot when punishment is handed out.
While I agree that those rioting are the ones to be blamed, I do think it goes deeper than that.[/quote]
[quote]Grneyes wrote:
The only person I have not seen mentioned as being fired or any sort of punishment is the G.A. who actually SAW the rape and did NOTHING but call his daddy. If he shows up for the game this weekend, he needs to be beat to the ground.[/quote]
HE IS OUR FUCKING WIDE RECEIVERS COACH AND HAS NOT BEEN FIRED. How hypocritical can we be? The Paterno firing is a PURE PUBLIC RELATIONS move and the board of trustees does not give a RATS ASS about what happened. They just want media off their campus.
Paterno and Spanier - two big names who knew of the incident and didn’t go to police - fired.
Curley - knew exactly as much as those two, not fired
McQueary - SAW the incident, not fired.
If you’re going to clean house, clean fucking house. What PSU did is disgraceful.[/quote]
I agree with the idea of cleaning house, especially those who are known to have known. I suspect there are more people aware.of.what went on beyong those already mentioned.
[quote]BONEZ217 wrote:
Paterno should have resigned and admitted guilt. He’s a piece of shit, forcing psu to fire him[/quote]
I don’t believe for a second that they asked him to resign and he refused. I’m sure him and the board had a chat behind closed doors and decided that “firing” would be do more for the university’s image than him resigning.
[/quote]
what?
Paterno announced earlier today that he was going to retire at the end of the season. He planned/wanted to finish out the season.
Penn State got so much heat from the media about it that they had to fire Paterno… Paterno should have announced that he was resigning this morning instead of saying he would retire at the end of the season.[/quote]
You really can’t be that naive? Do you really think a man this cold and calculating to turn a blind eye to such heinous acts could be such an utter simpleton?
Paterno announced earlier today that he wanted to stay on so and be coach so when the board “fired” him later that day, it would carry more weight in the eyes of the public. He announced he wanted to stay on this morning knowing full well he’d be fired that afternoon.
Since he was “fired”, it comes across as if Paterno was truly being punished. If he resigned and scurried off to some tropical retirement home, there would be a public outcry for more to be done.[/quote]
Penn State Alumni?[/quote]
Bullshit. Penn State asked him to step down in 2004 and he refused. He did not go out voluntarily.[/quote]
^^This.
I don’t follow PSU news much normally but I hear about it ALL the time because of where I live. Do you think it would be fair to say that the Trustees have wanted JoePa out of there for a while now and Paterno dictating the terms of his “retirement” just pushed them over the edge?
I think he was going to get fired anyway, but I wonder whether it would have happened last night if he hadn’t told the Board “not to worry about him”.
I don’t follow PSU news much normally but I hear about it ALL the time because of where I live. Do you think it would be fair to say that the Trustees have wanted JoePa out of there for a while now and Paterno dictating the terms of his “retirement” just pushed them over the edge?
I think he was going to get fired anyway, but I wonder whether it would have happened last night if he hadn’t told the Board “not to worry about him”.[/quote]
I don’t know for sure, but I don’t think they’ve wanted him out for a while. When they asked him to step down it was because our team sucked for 4 years, but the very next year we started being good again.
Those riots are completely shameful. I wonder how many involved will realize their actions showed no empathy for the boys or any grasp of what has happen at that university.
[quote]WestCoast7 wrote:
Seeing the riots at Penn State that occured after the firing forced me to lose a ton of respect for the so called “students” that attend that institution.
Who riots after someone connected to a sexual abuse scandal is fired? (not a single incident but repeated offenses)
Either there all a bunch of low class imbeciles, or their suffering from a variation of Stockholm’s syndrome.[/quote]
You’re naive if you think the same thing wouldn’t happen at any college where a coach has been there 40 years. These are 20 year old kids you are talking about. [/quote]
Yea, except for the fact that this hasn’t ever happened at any other college, and probably won’t.
Tattoos (Ohio State) and money (Miami) being given to players are peanuts compared to a program that allowed sexual abuse to go on repeatedly, in it’s own locker room, and then sought to push it under the rug.
At 20 your no longer a kid, especially when your attending an institution for higher education.
[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
The sad part will be if this kills Paterno. Old guys in a position like that tend to have their health go to shit real quick when it ends.[/quote]
Especially true when they change/lose the routine that they’ve been doing for years.
[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
The sad part will be if this kills Paterno. Old guys in a position like that tend to have their health go to shit real quick when it ends.[/quote]
The mental health of the abused children is probably in even worst state.
[quote]WestCoast7 wrote:
Seeing the riots at Penn State that occured after the firing forced me to lose a ton of respect for the so called “students” that attend that institution.
Who riots after someone connected to a sexual abuse scandal is fired? (not a single incident but repeated offenses)
Either there all a bunch of low class imbeciles, or their suffering from a variation of Stockholm’s syndrome.[/quote]
You’re naive if you think the same thing wouldn’t happen at any college where a coach has been there 40 years. These are 20 year old kids you are talking about. [/quote]
Yea, except for the fact that this hasn’t ever happened at any other college, and probably won’t.
Tattoos (Ohio State) and money (Miami) being given to players are peanuts compared to a program that allowed sexual abuse to go on repeatedly, in it’s own locker room, and then sought to push it under the rug.
At 20 your no longer a kid, especially when your attending an institution for higher education.[/quote]
The argument that students who attend PSU are worse than students at other universities is asinine. They are selected based on grades, SATs and some athletic scholarships… it is a random cross section of people who meet those criteria, they don’t vet anyone on a secret personality ballot.
The reality is that the bigger a university is, the larger the minorities are. On a campus of 40,000 people, a 5% minority opinion represents 2,000 kids. At a smaller school it may be 500 kids. Does that make the student body worse as a whole? Because 1 in 20 kids believe something dumb? Of course not.
[quote]Edevus wrote:
It would be good to know what those students were told. Maybe some false information to mislead them.
“They have fired him for something that someone else did!”[/quote]
Ummm. I tend to think college students today are pretty savvy when it comes to finding information on the internet. NO excuse for not knowing the issues before rioting.
[quote]Edevus wrote:
It would be good to know what those students were told. Maybe some false information to mislead them.
“They have fired him for something that someone else did!”[/quote]
Ummm. I tend to think college students today are pretty savvy when it comes to finding information on the internet. NO excuse for not knowing the issues before rioting.[/quote]
I see people of all ages believing the lies that are told just because they come from a “trusted” source, one that goes with their mindset (Politics, religion, etc.). No difference here.
Imagine that some of them have X coach. X coach is friends with this guy, so X coach tells them this and that press is lying. There you have it.
[quote]Edevus wrote:
It would be good to know what those students were told. Maybe some false information to mislead them.
“They have fired him for something that someone else did!”[/quote]
Ummm. I tend to think college students today are pretty savvy when it comes to finding information on the internet. NO excuse for not knowing the issues before rioting.[/quote]
I see people of all ages believing the lies that are told just because they come from a “trusted” source, one that goes with their mindset (Politics, religion, etc.). No difference here.
Imagine that some of them have X coach. X coach is friends with this guy, so X coach tells them this and that press is lying. There you have it.
Or they are just very stupid.
[/quote]
Again, you have to understand what a tiny minority of PSU’s 40,000 students is taking part in those riots.