[quote]Headhunter wrote:
jnnak wrote:
Sure I’d take the job for only having to work 180 or so days a year.
Okay…do you remember your hs experience? Now look at it from the teacher’s vantage point: Take 5 classes, each with 30 students. Usually about 3 have an IQ above room temperature.
Teach them, teach. Go for it.
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Kids are not stupid. They do dumb things but they are not stupid. Didn’t you know this before you got into teaching?
The School administrations could care less about the students and teachers. They are in business for themselves. We need a revamping of the whole system.
Less admining and more teaching needs to happen. That aside the teachers by in large suck too. Mostly because they limit themselves because they buy into this no “corporal punishment” mantra. If they would beat the hell out of the trouble makers then everybody would be learning much better.
[quote]ab_power wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:
Work 6 hour days 9 months a year?
It’s more like 12 hour days, 5 days a week, for 9 months of the year.
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That is only for the first year. After the lesson plans are set they are reused year after year after. Most test correcting can be done during breaks. They have to be in the building 6 hours but are in front of the class much less.
I know too many teachers to fall for the 12 hour a day line.
[quote]mmllcc wrote:
If they would beat the hell out of the trouble makers then everybody would be learning much better.[/quote]
We are beyond that point, now. That only works when the parents are on board and there is discipline at home.
And how would you deal with some of these huge kids in middle school and high school?
[quote]nephorm wrote:
mmllcc wrote:
If they would beat the hell out of the trouble makers then everybody would be learning much better.
We are beyond that point, now. That only works when the parents are on board and there is discipline at home.
And how would you deal with some of these huge kids in middle school and high school?
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For real. I went to my dad’s school before he retired and some of those kids were my size. I mean, holy shit, it took me several years to get this big after I had stopped growing in height. How the hell is some inner city kid in the 10th or 11th grade my size already?
The next soon to be well known phenomenon in pro football is sitting in a Houston high school class room right now trying to fit into those small assed desks.
[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:
ab_power wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:
Work 6 hour days 9 months a year?
It’s more like 12 hour days, 5 days a week, for 9 months of the year.
That is only for the first year. After the lesson plans are set they are reused year after year after. Most test correcting can be done during breaks. They have to be in the building 6 hours but are in front of the class much less.
I know too many teachers to fall for the 12 hour a day line. [/quote]
Out of all the teachers you know, are they what would be deemed “expert teachers”? A teacher that leaves the school after 6 hours of being there isn’t doing his/her job. I’ve learned that to be successful as a teacher you need to look beyond the classroom. Those extra hours are spent creating a great school community, which is what really matters. At the end of the day, if you make school a great place to be, they will pretty much absorb anything you want them to.
Maybe that’s the problem with schools in the US, the attitude towards teachers is terrible. Which in turn will make the teachers themselves give up and do the “6 hours a day” thing. In my district, it’s considered sacrilegious to leave the school at 4pm.
On a side note, I believe that corporal punishment should be brought back to the classroom. After studying the educational systems in China, Taiwan, Korea, and Japan (which are currently the best in the world, especially in area of mathematics) there is undeniable evidence that it works.
[quote]nephorm wrote:
mmllcc wrote:
If they would beat the hell out of the trouble makers then everybody would be learning much better.
We are beyond that point, now. That only works when the parents are on board and there is discipline at home.
And how would you deal with some of these huge kids in middle school and high school?
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Huge as in muscle or fat?
I tell you, when I started high school in SA we got initiated as the first year kids by the seniors, we got whipped along with having to run laps and do PT for not doing homework - and the discipline was excellent.
By the time I was leaving, 5 years later, too many snotnose kids had complained about being smacked so that had to be stopped. School meeting held by the prefects were stopped too because the first years couldn’t handle being waterbombed.
Last I heard, the good teachers have left and it’s all going to shit because the kids have no respect.
Prof X also makes a good point for another discussion. The desk sucks for anyone over 12 years old. Why do high schools and junior highs and colleges all have the same fricken desk?
Mostly the college level is what I’m concerned with. When your in a non-lecture class and you have to sit in a desk for a 12 y/o you wonder where the fuck your money goes…
[quote]rsg wrote:
Huge as in muscle or fat?
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I went to high school with sophomores that were 6’4" and solid muscle. I would have liked to see someone try to “physically discipline” them.
The schools that most require discipline are probably also the ones in which students are more likely to be involved in gangs or to bring guns to school.
[quote]RageInspired wrote:
When your in a non-lecture class and you have to sit in a desk for a 12 y/o you wonder where the fuck your money goes…[/quote]
Gay pride parades.
[quote]Headhunter wrote:
Would you go deeply into debt to do the following:
Go deeply into debt to take a job that starts at about $32,000/year, most of your clientele are assholes who constantly interrupt your work, you have to take work home every night and work at it all evening? Then, when the assholes don’t do their part, YOU are held responsible? You can be immediately terminated, your career ruined, for saying ‘shit’ or ‘dammit’? To fill out form after form about each of your assholish clients?
If you haven’t figured out by now, I’m talking about teaching.
We’ve got a serious problem, folks. You guys expect people to run up huge college debts to do the job above. You then expect test scores to go up, because you gave more tax dollars TO ADMINISTRATORS (guess what? They hire more administrators; doubled since 1992).
Our system just purely sucks…and I means totally. Been teaching 28 years and…we are fucking doomed.
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I am a personal trainer not a “teacher” per sey but, I do think some aspects of our jobs are similar:
Both jobs can be frustrating
Both jobs can feel like your best efforts are going un-noticed
and both jobs can put you in the hole (I spend about 5000.00/ year on continuing ed and for the first couple of years I was barely breaking even).
That being said though, and I think you will feel the same way, at the end of the day I am doing what I love and if I only have a positive impact on 1 life then the other 100’s don’t matter and I can go to sleep knowing that I did my part to make the world a better place. Both of my parents were in academia and I will honestly say that if it were not for the great teachers I had I would not be where I am today. I appreciate everyone who is a teacher and has made a life commitment to helping others reach their potential.
It is truely a selfless profession and although monatarially it may have it’s short commings, in the grand scheme of things you will retire richer than most!
[quote]nephorm wrote:
RageInspired wrote:
When your in a non-lecture class and you have to sit in a desk for a 12 y/o you wonder where the fuck your money goes…
Gay pride parades.[/quote]
Don’t forget the budget for marble tiles and granite counter-tops found in the faculty lounges and offices.
[quote]nephorm wrote:
rsg wrote:
Huge as in muscle or fat?
I went to high school with sophomores that were 6’4" and solid muscle. I would have liked to see someone try to “physically discipline” them.
The schools that most require discipline are probably also the ones in which students are more likely to be involved in gangs or to bring guns to school.
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My experience was that the new kids were getting smaller and fatter every year. shrug
Thing is, as bad as crime in SA is, schools in the suburbs were actually mostly problem free and the education system in SA is (or at least was) pretty damn good. We didn’t really have school (in Joburg) that were based within the city centre.
The teachers there aren’t paid all that well either.
[quote]Bauer97 wrote:
Polish Rifle wrote:
You’ve been teaching 28 years and you make $32,000? Quit fucking lying. My girlfriend just signed her 1st contract to teach 3rd grade next year for $36,500. I would gather to say you’re making around $80K.
Keep in mind, teacher salaries vary drastically depending on State and district.
My wife started at $42k, and the pay scale, after 13 years, tops out at $109k.
However, my Aunt, who has been teaching in Florida for well over 20 years, makes about $30k.[/quote]
If you don’t mind me asking, what does your wife teach where she will make 109k? Or, more specifically, what level is she teaching at?
[quote]nephorm wrote:
RageInspired wrote:
When your in a non-lecture class and you have to sit in a desk for a 12 y/o you wonder where the fuck your money goes…
Gay pride parades.[/quote]
Actaully it went here: (well proposed to go here but you see the thought process in how to make/spend money)
President Bush�??s tax relief plan reflects this basic trust in the American people and confidence in the American ideal by increasing tax fairness and enhancing the performance of the economy. It includes:
*Replacing the current tax rates of 15, 28, 31, 36, and 39.6 percent with a simplified rate structure of 10, 15, 25, and 33 percent (see Appendix for rate schedule);
*Doubling the child tax credit to $1,000 per child and applying the credit to the Alternative Minimum Tax (AMT);
*Reducing the marriage penalty by reinstating the 10 percent deduction for two-earner couples;
*Eliminating the death tax;
*Expanding the charitable deduction to non-itemizers; and
Making the Research and Experimentation (R&D) tax credit permanent.
For a Government that spends more than it brings in and heavily borrows for other expenditures from its neighbors certain services need to be curtailed. I am pretty sure that our fearless leaders were more than happy paying Haliburton (in a no bid contract mind you) dollars on the peeny for out sourced services than buy a new desk for “Big Johnny never gonna play in the NFL.”
(Hear that rumbling noise? That is China. They want their money back. With interest. And that crashing sound? The is the dollar hitting the bottom of the well.)
I could not find the Gay Pride Parade expense in Bloomberg*s budget and I live in NYC. You would think in the ghey capital of the world it would at least get a line item.
(If it was significant of course.)
[quote]ab_power wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:
ab_power wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:
Work 6 hour days 9 months a year?
It’s more like 12 hour days, 5 days a week, for 9 months of the year.
That is only for the first year. After the lesson plans are set they are reused year after year after. Most test correcting can be done during breaks. They have to be in the building 6 hours but are in front of the class much less.
I know too many teachers to fall for the 12 hour a day line.
Out of all the teachers you know, are they what would be deemed “expert teachers”? A teacher that leaves the school after 6 hours of being there isn’t doing his/her job. I’ve learned that to be successful as a teacher you need to look beyond the classroom. Those extra hours are spent creating a great school community, which is what really matters. At the end of the day, if you make school a great place to be, they will pretty much absorb anything you want them to.
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I know teachers at all level. My uncle was chair of a department at a major uni, my wife is a college professor and also taught at a private high school, another uncle was the head of his department at a large city school district and a wrestling coach, old gf is an el-ed teacher, a couple team mates that teach high school and coach.
I have had this discussion many times and it is pretty unanimous that once you figure out what you are doing teaching and correcting work does not take a lot of hours. Fitting in the extra stuff like coaching and games adds up quickly on top of a full teaching load but the basic work does not have to be brought home unless you want to goof off during your down time at school.
It is the rookies that have to put in all the time. The teachers that know their shit don’t need to teach themselves the material the night before.
THE GHEYS ARE TAKING MY MONEY!?
thats would explaine why the emo fad is so resiliant to dieing.
[quote]ab_power wrote:
nephorm wrote:
RageInspired wrote:
When your in a non-lecture class and you have to sit in a desk for a 12 y/o you wonder where the fuck your money goes…
Gay pride parades.
Don’t forget the budget for marble tiles and granite counter-tops found in the faculty lounges and offices. [/quote]
They just spent 3.5 million for a small day care facility for teachers only in my district.
[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:
ab_power wrote:
nephorm wrote:
RageInspired wrote:
When your in a non-lecture class and you have to sit in a desk for a 12 y/o you wonder where the fuck your money goes…
Gay pride parades.
Don’t forget the budget for marble tiles and granite counter-tops found in the faculty lounges and offices.
They just spent 3.5 million for a small day care facility for teachers only in my district.[/quote]
Sweet, they deserve it.