Would You Eat Live Fish?

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That non asians aren’t capable of despicable acts was never the issue here.

For the record, here’s the BLACK teenager, Cheyenne Cherry who microwaved her friend’s kitten alive, just for fun - sick, despicable, yada yada yada…

http://www.1010wins.com/pages/4542006.php?

The point is its NOT a badge of honor or a tradition among african americans to ritually cause unimaginable suffering to a living creature. Or among whites.

SOME asian cultures are generally PROUD of their apathy towards suffering…read what I said about endorphins flooding the meat. And no, I’m not condemning ANY group in any way…just calling it like I sees it.

[quote]PimpBot5000 wrote:
Persian Cruelty

English Cruelty

Russian Cruelty

http://www.environmentalgraffiti.com/featured/most-horrific-russian-torture-devices/8850

Peruvian Cruelty

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2002/04/0425_020426_mochekillings.html

African Cruelty

(More) Chinese Cruelty

Can we just concede here that HUMANS are capable of inhuman acts?[/quote]

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[quote]tribunaldude wrote:
Members of every race have perpetrated gore at some point or the other. I already posted a link on dehumanization in another thread.

But not many cultural groups have a fucking TRADITION(s) of inflicting the MAXIMUM suffering possible on living beings.
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Look, none of this can be construed as “it’s in their genes.” At most, it could conceivably be said to be “in their culture” for some segments of the population (and there are many different cultures in each of the countries, much like in America the South, the Northeast, and the West Coast all have different cultures. But while America has 300 million people the Asian countries put together probably have over 3 billion). For “in their genes” to be proven, you’d need to find studies of Asian orphans raised in the states being more predisposed to cruelty than other orphans. Or something of that nature. Something I doubt you will find. It’s becoming obvious to me that you don’t know much about nuance and proof, so why don’t you quit digging?

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Hmm. I’ve got a business idea. I need a frying vat big enough for a cow. And a crane, or some other set up, to lower it in up to the front shoulders. Then serve it with a feed bag over it’s head to keep it occupied. I’m thinking of a name like “Still Mooooving.”

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[quote]tribunaldude wrote:

The point is its NOT a badge of honor or a tradition among african americans to ritually cause unimaginable suffering to a living creature. Or among whites.

SOME asian cultures are generally PROUD of their apathy towards suffering…read what I said about endorphins flooding the meat. And no, I’m not condemning ANY group in any way…just calling it like I sees it.

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Maybe I misread something but didn’t you say something along the lines of…

“Look, its IN THEIR GENES (orientals, chinese, japs, viets, thai) to be apathetic to suffering (animal OR human)…its not something that can change easily.”

I was trying to point out that nearly EVERY culture that has EVER existed has tolerated, progagated and even enjoyed the suffering of others (human or animal). It’s not a function of “their” genes, its a function of human genes (or environment, upbringing, whatever…a whole other can of worms)

I don’t really understand your “badge of honour” remark about Asians. Could you explain a bit more about it? I’ve seen a lot of Asia first hand and I can’t say that I’ve seen many instances of cruelty being flaunted. More often than not its out of necessity. I’ve seen a pile of dead, skinned dogs before…this was simply because a.) in this area dog was the only meat available that people could afford and b.) because they didn’t have the luxury of distancing themselves with the gory reality of how meat is prepared.

(To be fair, I have seen some deplorably cruel acts by Asians…the circus bears of China, Vietnamese performing monkeys, etc…but these were typically in the absolute STICKS of the country, and not so different from hillbillies from the Ozarks watching dog fights IMO)

I can think of several customs that exist to this day that involve cruelty being flaunted. The fox hunts of England, bull fights of spain, mexico, parts of Africa and Okinawa, cock fighting in Mexico and Central America…the list goes on. Hell, kids burning ants with magnifying glasses! The fact that kids, the world over, enjoy torturing the hell out of ants and other bugs makes me think that the trait is inherently genetic rather than racial.

About the Japanese in particular, something worth pointing out is that, historically, SOME Japanese buddhists never considered fish animals. They were “vegetarians”, but by their definition of vegetarian fish and other sea creatures were on the same plane of existance as rice or vegetables…fair game. (For some reason, fish got lumped in with seaweed). This mentality has maintained itself somewhat over the centuries. Most Japanese wouldn’t object to eating “ikizukuri” fish but would be absolutely aghast at the thought of doing the same thing to a mammal. Not saying I agree with their viewpoint, but I can understand it.

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The facts, videos and anecdotal evidence have been spread-eagled for you. you want to wait for a “study” to determine if asians have cruelty IN THEIR GENES" (not sure how that can be quantified or measured but whatever) feel free to blindfold yourself and waltz around completely ignoring the fatass broken pinata that was never sealed up in the first place.

[quote]blithe wrote:
tribunaldude wrote:
Members of every race have perpetrated gore at some point or the other. I already posted a link on dehumanization in another thread.

But not many cultural groups have a fucking TRADITION(s) of inflicting the MAXIMUM suffering possible on living beings.

Look, none of this can be construed as “it’s in their genes.” At most, it could conceivably be said to be “in their culture” for some segments of the population (and there are many different cultures in each of the countries, much like in America the South, the Northeast, and the West Coast all have different cultures. But while America has 300 million people the Asian countries put together probably have over 3 billion). For “in their genes” to be proven, you’d need to find studies of Asian orphans raised in the states being more predisposed to cruelty than other orphans. Or something of that nature. Something I doubt you will find. It’s becoming obvious to me that you don’t know much about nuance and proof, so why don’t you quit digging?[/quote]

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[quote]PimpBot5000 wrote:
I don’t really understand your “badge of honour” remark about Asians. Could you explain a bit more about it?
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This is the only statement that ever mattered. This is a statement about an asian sentiment I have experienced first hand, and I ain’t the only one. Meat ain’t worth eating unless its flooded with tasty endorphins…go into a chinese restaurant or a sashimi place and talk to the proprietor(s).
And since they don’t have treadmills for dem doggiez, guess what works just as well.

Anyhoo, I mentioned in the “cook a dog” thread that the japanese have been forced to revamp a lot of things in keeping with their greater proximity to western culture. the chinese haven’t felt the need to keep up with the times…ditto the others.

If most japanese would be aghast at the sight of a skinned fish floating around in agony, then I suppose all the videos of living dead sashimi have been shot underground away from the eyes of upstanding conservative japanese families.

I put up vids of chinese fur farms…and these ain’t STICKS. thats just the way things happen over there, and far be it for ME to cast the first stone, but that don’t invalidate an educated observation.

You can call it a hypothesis, an insane nonsensical one and wait till someone conducts a study…but there you have it.

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the Japanese did adjust their “mentality” significantly post WWII, I concede.

BTW I’m vegetarian too…I just consider everything, including human beings - as vegetables, since I live on a different plane of existence. So its fair game.

I’m honest and don’t take anythign that doesn’t belong to me. of course, by my own self-written law, everything withion ly field of vision belongs to me anyway, so its fair game.

I never have nonconsensual sex with a woman either, of course, according to the book of zohabi the zombie prophet 13:56, any woman within my sphere of influence secretly wishes to fuck me and has telepathically given her consent…ergo, fair game.

I’m bowing out of this thread, i’ve said enough for the moment. To the irate inarticulate multicultural few who can’t tolerate sharing file space with a bigot (not PimpBot obviously), direct your abuse elsewhere…

Peace out.

[quote]PimpBot5000 wrote:
About the Japanese in particular, something worth pointing out is that, historically, SOME Japanese buddhists never considered fish animals. They were “vegetarians”, but by their definition of vegetarian fish and other sea creatures were on the same plane of existance as rice or vegetables…fair game. (For some reason, fish got lumped in with seaweed). This mentality has maintained itself somewhat over the centuries. Most Japanese wouldn’t object to eating “ikizukuri” fish but would be absolutely aghast at the thought of doing the same thing to a mammal. Not saying I agree with their viewpoint, but I can understand it.

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[quote]tribunaldude wrote:
PimpBot5000 wrote:
I don’t really understand your “badge of honour” remark about Asians. Could you explain a bit more about it?

This is the only statement that ever mattered. This is a statement about an asian sentiment I have experienced first hand, and I ain’t the only one. Meat ain’t worth eating unless its flooded with tasty endorphins…go into a chinese restaurant or a sashimi place and talk to the proprietor(s).
And since they don’t have treadmills for dem doggiez, guess what works just as well.

Anyhoo, I mentioned in the “cook a dog” thread that the japanese have been forced to revamp a lot of things in keeping with their greater proximity to western culture. the chinese haven’t felt the need to keep up with the times…ditto the others.

If most japanese would be aghast at the sight of a skinned fish floating around in agony, then I suppose all the videos of living dead sashimi have been shot underground away from the eyes of upstanding conservative japanese families.

I put up vids of chinese fur farms…and these ain’t STICKS. thats just the way things happen over there, and far be it for ME to cast the first stone, but that don’t invalidate an educated observation.

You can call it a hypothesis, an insane nonsensical one and wait till someone conducts a study…but there you have it.[/quote]

So much facepalming here:

  1. You can’t taste endorphins, you’re thinking of lactic acid

  2. Endorphins create a state of pleasure, we’re talking about Ikizukuri, do you even think before you type?

  3. You may not have the intent, but saying that Asians have cruelty in their genes is pretty damn racist. So I guess you don’t think before you type.

  4. Perusing the posts, if this was a live discussion, it seems that you are the type of person who says something racist, is confronted with both anger and discussion against your point, then you choose to ignore the anger and yell nonsensical, overly complex words at those who debate against you.

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[quote]tribunaldude wrote:

This is the only statement that ever mattered. This is a statement about an asian sentiment I have experienced first hand, and I ain’t the only one. Meat ain’t worth eating unless its flooded with tasty endorphins…go into a chinese restaurant or a sashimi place and talk to the proprietor(s).
And since they don’t have treadmills for dem doggiez, guess what works just as well.

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Don’t know about China here, but in Japan anyway tender meat is favoured, and because of this most animals are slaughtered in as calm as state as possible. Wagyu cattle have their carotids cut after a triple helping of beer, and most sashimi fish are flash frozen as soon as they’re caught. Torture is not the norm.

True. But if you removed all sorts of government regulation across the world (manufacturing, agricultural, etc), do you not think that other nationalities would be cutting the exact same corners as China does?

Nope, again, if it swims in the sea, the Japanese really couldn’t care less about it. This is starting to change with dolphins and whales, but any kind of fish or mollusk is pretty much fucked living in Japanese waters. I’ve shown that video of the half-fileted zebra fish to Japanese friends and they all pretty much say “sugoi!” (“wow”). Again, don’t agree with this viewpoint.

Is this the way things happen here? (California)

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[quote]tribunaldude wrote:
The facts, videos and anecdotal evidence have been spread-eagled for you. you want to wait for a “study” to determine if asians have cruelty IN THEIR GENES" (not sure how that can be quantified or measured but whatever) feel free to blindfold yourself and waltz around completely ignoring the fatass broken pinata that was never sealed up in the first place. [/quote]

Exactly. You’re positing a point that would be very difficult to prove, and trying to prove it using anecdotal evidence. It’s meaningless, and it makes you look like a bigoted idiot.

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[quote]PimpBot5000 wrote:
tribunaldude wrote:

This is the only statement that ever mattered. This is a statement about an asian sentiment I have experienced first hand, and I ain’t the only one. Meat ain’t worth eating unless its flooded with tasty endorphins…go into a chinese restaurant or a sashimi place and talk to the proprietor(s).
And since they don’t have treadmills for dem doggiez, guess what works just as well.

Don’t know about China here, but in Japan anyway tender meat is favoured, and because of this most animals are slaughtered in as calm as state as possible. Wagyu cattle have their carotids cut after a triple helping of beer, and most sashimi fish are flash frozen as soon as they’re caught. Torture is not the norm.

Anyhoo, I mentioned in the “cook a dog” thread that the japanese have been forced to revamp a lot of things in keeping with their greater proximity to western culture. the chinese haven’t felt the need to keep up with the times…ditto the others.

True. But if you removed all sorts of government regulation across the world (manufacturing, agricultural, etc), do you not think that other nationalities would be cutting the exact same corners as China does?

If most japanese would be aghast at the sight of a skinned fish floating around in agony, then I suppose all the videos of living dead sashimi have been shot underground away from the eyes of upstanding conservative japanese families.

Nope, again, if it swims in the sea, the Japanese really couldn’t care less about it. This is starting to change with dolphins and whales, but any kind of fish or mollusk is pretty much fucked living in Japanese waters. I’ve shown that video of the half-fileted zebra fish to Japanese friends and they all pretty much say “sugoi!” (“wow”). Again, don’t agree with this viewpoint.

I put up vids of chinese fur farms…and these ain’t STICKS. thats just the way things happen over there, and far be it for ME to cast the first stone, but that don’t invalidate an educated observation.

Is this the way things happen here? (California)

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No, the majority of those videos were proved to show cattleman paid by PETA to do this on video. And it sounds like there is a Chinese person in the background so I’m not sure if this is exactly in America.

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no one else swallowed goldfish on a dare??

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I said that ASIAN COOKS feel that the endorphins flooding the body improve the flavor of the meat.

I’m not a chinese cook…just handing out observations and making hypotheses.

[quote]silverhydra wrote:

  1. Endorphins create a state of pleasure, we’re talking about Ikizukuri, do you even think before you type?
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As long as that ain’t all you swallow on a dare…

[quote]nikinine wrote:
no one else swallowed goldfish on a dare??[/quote]

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And NOW I’m out. Pimpbot, thou knowest where to find me…

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[quote]Brother Chris wrote:
No, the majority of those videos were proved to show cattleman paid by PETA to do this on video. And it sounds like there is a Chinese person in the background so I’m not sure if this is exactly in America.[/quote]

I very much doubt that all, or even the majority of animal abuse videos that exist are because PETA paid off farmers. And anyway, the video I posted is an extreme example of isolated behaviour, just like the Chinese fur skinning video. Just because a video exists of it doesn’t mean its the norm nationwide.