Would Huckabee Make You Vote Democrat?

Off Topic Politics & World Issues
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[quote]JeffR wrote:
Things like crime, immigration, electability, and national defense.
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Ok. Two of these four may be debatable but I don’t think crime and electibility are viable issues.

Electibility only means anything if one does indeed get elected. To say someone is electable that does not get elected is nonsensical. In fact, all of the candidates running have been elected in some capacity – therefore they are electable…don’t you think?

Crime is not an issue for a federal elected official. That is a state function. If you think Rudy is a good crime fighter maybe you should recommend him as govorner of NY. I know I would feel much better letting him have as little influence as possible in my life.

In my opinion, I fail to see where Giuliani would excel at immigration or national defense. He (as well as some others) don’t seem understand what defense is. His record on immigration is also pretty shabby. But those are just my opinions, mind you.

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[quote]JeffR wrote:

Instead of a big conspiracy, has it ever crossed your mind that both perot and ron paul are both ego-maniacs that will say anything (often factually incorrect) in order to get elected?

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Whoa, Jeff man you’re pulling for Guliani. Have you ever heard that guy speak? This guy has made the most egotistical and bogus claims I have heard in some time. I’d put his ego ABOVE Hillary’s. This is the guy who claimed to “survive 9/11” and that he was (paraphrasing) one of the few Americans that was a household name in England. Remember that post I made a few weeks ago contrasting him with Romney and how he always claims that “I” did something instead of “we”?

And are you going to claim that Paul and Perot are the only two politicians that will say anything to get elected?

mike

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If someone thinks Ron Paul is a loon and Guiliani is a stand up guy with presidential appeal, well that pretty much says it all. Different strokes for different folks.

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[quote]Mikeyali wrote:
JeffR wrote:

Instead of a big conspiracy, has it ever crossed your mind that both perot and ron paul are both ego-maniacs that will say anything (often factually incorrect) in order to get elected?

Whoa, Jeff man you’re pulling for Guliani. Have you ever heard that guy speak? This guy has made the most egotistical and bogus claims I have heard in some time. I’d put his ego ABOVE Hillary’s. This is the guy who claimed to “survive 9/11” and that he was (paraphrasing) one of the few Americans that was a household name in England. Remember that post I made a few weeks ago contrasting him with Romney and how he always claims that “I” did something instead of “we”?

mike[/quote]

He actually said that he was one of the most famous Americans in the world, not just England.

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Yes, Huckabee would make me vote democrat.

I am disappointed that no one got out the vote for Duncan Hunter. If you call yourself a “real conservative”, than Hunter is your man. Not 9u11iani, not “Double Talk Express” McCain, not the dried up 80 year old fossil Thompson, but Duncan Hunter.

Ugh, I am beside myself. It is APPARANT, and BLATANTLY OBVIOUS that the T.V. is influencing the vote this election season.

See? Turn your T.V. off. It lies to you.

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[quote]skaz05 wrote:

See? Turn your T.V. off. It lies to you.[/quote]

It’s more fun to shoot it. The picture tube makes such a lovely “bloosh” sound when it implodes.

I don’t know about these new plasma sets. Probably anticlimactic by comparison.

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I don’t have a problem with evangelicals on an individual basis, but I do not trust them to lead shit. They cannot take religion out of politics and cannot accept the fact that people not only may think differently than them, but actually have a right to do so.
It’s actually many of the same issues I have with islam, but evangelicals don’t blow shit up and kill people.

In the end, I cannot vote democrat, they stand for almost everything I am against and I won’t vote for them. I don’t have much love for republicans either, don’t get me wrong, but we are in a position of picking the least horrible person and all the democrats fall below the fecal matter line.

I may do this anyway, which is vote libritarian or just write myself in. I agree with myself more than anyone else. I have actually had people write me in in public elections! A lot of it depends on whether or not that vile creature hillary is on the ticket. I must make sure she does not win.

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[quote]etaco wrote:
JeffR wrote:

Instead of a big conspiracy, has it ever crossed your mind that both perot and ron paul are both ego-maniacs that will say anything (often factually incorrect) in order to get elected?

The simplest answer is usually the right one.

In summary, both are loons.

JeffR

This is the same reason why Giuliani turns so many people off.[/quote]

etaco,

If Rudy really would say anything, why not say something along the lines of, “Jesus, came to me and now I’m 100% against abortion?”

Instead, he’s taken the harder route in these primaries: he’s telling you what he thinks.

JeffR

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[quote]cloakmanor wrote:
Nominal Prospect wrote:
Ron Paul had better be in 6th ahead of McCain by the time all the votes are turned in. 86% reporting at the moment.

Approx. 16,000 votes left to be turned in, which means that RP could still win because he trails Thompson/McCain by 3k.

I believe Ron Paul is currently in 5th place rather than 6th as stated above. It’s extremely likely he’ll maintain his 10% of the vote tally for the rest of the process. Under the circumstances, his position is quite respectable and even surprising in some respects. In fact I believe Ron Paul exceeded his poll average by 40%.[/quote]

You moRon’s would be amusing, if you weren’t so fanatic.

By all means, carry on.

I’m enjoying the spin.

JeffR

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[quote]Mikeyali wrote:
JeffR wrote:

Instead of a big conspiracy, has it ever crossed your mind that both perot and ron paul are both ego-maniacs that will say anything (often factually incorrect) in order to get elected?

Whoa, Jeff man you’re pulling for Guliani. Have you ever heard that guy speak? This guy has made the most egotistical and bogus claims I have heard in some time. I’d put his ego ABOVE Hillary’s. This is the guy who claimed to “survive 9/11” and that he was (paraphrasing) one of the few Americans that was a household name in England. Remember that post I made a few weeks ago contrasting him with Romney and how he always claims that “I” did something instead of “we”?

And are you going to claim that Paul and Perot are the only two politicians that will say anything to get elected?

mike[/quote]

Mike, you know full well that I’m not claiming anything of the sort.

This includes Rudy’s changed position on gun control.

However, when evaluating a candidate, you have to look at the whole body of work. The core principles. The things that have remained constant.

Oh, I was thinking about you the other day. I think you are a pretty sincere guy regarding individual rights.

Does it frighten you that ron paul believes that there is only one way to interpret the Constitution: his?

To me, that reeks of an arrogance far beyond Rudy claiming “I” instead of “we.”

Alarm bells also go up when I imagine ron paul using his interpretation of the Constitution for any number of self-serving purposes.

By the way, with regard to surviving 911, you have noticed the news reports of people suffering long term side effects from the aftermath?

Pulmonary ailments?

He was right in the thick of the clean-up.

Oh, we want to know what HE did.

JeffR

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[quote]JeffR wrote:
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Do you see nothing wrong with a man running on the following platform?

I don’t think he’s got a snowball’s chance in hell. But to be fair, I didn’t think America would be re-electing Bush either.

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[quote]lixy wrote:
JeffR wrote:
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Do you see nothing wrong with a man running on the following platform?

I don’t think he’s got a snowball’s chance in hell. But to be fair, I didn’t think America would be re-electing Bush either.[/quote]

lixy,

THAT’S A GREAT AD!!! I not only find “nothing wrong” with that platform, I wholeheartedly agree with it!!!

EVERYONE PLEASE WATCH lIXY’S LINK!!!

However, in sympathy to you and your pals, I can see why you’d be nervous about Rudy in the White House.

JeffR

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[quote]JeffR wrote:

Does it frighten you that ron paul believes that there is only one way to interpret the Constitution: his?[/quote]

I do, and as I have claimed quite some time ago, I think that he’s something of a jacobin. But, to me this comes down to a matter of degrees. Ron Paul isn’t going to magically get his way if he’s elected. Do you really see DHS going away? How about the FBI, IRS, or CIA? 4 to 8 years of Paul isn’t going to end with the streets running red with blood. He’s going to bring about some rollbacks, but it won’t be overly substantial. If I thought Paul would get his way entirely he’d never get my vote.

Guiliani on the other hand will not be a valid check on Congress continuing to expand the government. In the event of another 9/11 I also don’t trust that he wouldn’t pull out an executive order along the lines of FDR and Japanese internment. Rudy has been pretty willing to use expansive executive power as mayor.

I see the guy as a friend of expanded police powers and an enemy of individual rights. I also do not trust his gun stance one iota. He knew he had to pander to the NRA and he did.

What I find really obnoxious with Paul is the fact that in order for him to bring about his government reforms and his check on executive power he will likely have to do it via executive orders. That said, it is the same thing Jefferson did and that’s what we love him for today.

I think you really believe this and are being genuine, and there’s even a grain of truth to it, but to take that and turn it into being a “survivor of 9/11” is a pretty hefty stretch in my opinion. Do you really think Rudy is above such exaggeration to make himself look good?

mike

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[quote]lixy wrote:
JeffR wrote:
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Do you see nothing wrong with a man running on the following platform?

I don’t think he’s got a snowball’s chance in hell. But to be fair, I didn’t think America would be re-electing Bush either.[/quote]

Wow. That was almost cartoonish. Rudy is a damned parody of himself. If this ad actually works then I am embarrassed at what we have become as Americans.

mike

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[quote]skaz05 wrote:
Yes, Huckabee would make me vote democrat.

I am disappointed that no one got out the vote for Duncan Hunter. If you call yourself a “real conservative”, than Hunter is your man. Not 9u11iani, not “Double Talk Express” McCain, not the dried up 80 year old fossil Thompson, but Duncan Hunter.

Ugh, I am beside myself. It is APPARANT, and BLATANTLY OBVIOUS that the T.V. is influencing the vote this election season.

See? Turn your T.V. off. It lies to you.[/quote]

Hunter was the first choice among neocons on FreeRepublic early in the campaign, as I reported here. They switched to Fred when it became apparent that DH would not be a viable candidate.

By the way, Ron Paul did very poorly in Iowa and it’s going to hurt him badly unless he pulls off a miracle. He NEEDS a win in NH or Dear Ron is done. Not second, not third, but WIN. They are already starting to shut him out of debates and only a SOLID WIN can halt the trend before it becomes an avalanche that buries his campaign.

What good will second place be when it comes time to choose the Republican nominee? No good at all.

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[quote]Nominal Prospect wrote:
skaz05 wrote:
Yes, Huckabee would make me vote democrat.

I am disappointed that no one got out the vote for Duncan Hunter. If you call yourself a “real conservative”, than Hunter is your man. Not 9u11iani, not “Double Talk Express” McCain, not the dried up 80 year old fossil Thompson, but Duncan Hunter.

Ugh, I am beside myself. It is APPARANT, and BLATANTLY OBVIOUS that the T.V. is influencing the vote this election season.

See? Turn your T.V. off. It lies to you.

Hunter was the first choice among neocons on FreeRepublic early in the campaign, as I reported here. They switched to Fred when it became apparent that DH would not be a viable candidate.

By the way, Ron Paul did very poorly in Iowa and it’s going to hurt him badly unless he pulls off a miracle. He NEEDS a win in NH or Dear Ron is done. Not second, not third, but WIN. They are already starting to shut him out of debates and only a SOLID WIN can halt the trend before it becomes an avalanche that buries his campaign.

What good will second place be when it comes time to choose the Republican nominee? No good at all.[/quote]

Eh? He had a respectable showing in Iowa. It’s corn and jesus country. Hell, I think the majority of Republicans there still approve of Bush’s handling of the country.
I think Ron Paul just needs 3rd in NH to earn further media attention. First isn’t going to happen, and second would still be a major upset.

But, let’s be realistic here, he never had a chance to win this. As the pro-Iraq war Republicans drop off, those votes aren’t going to Ron Paul. I’m just hoping he makes the GoP sweat, and badly. Hell, I hope he ends up running independent, pulling votes from the Republican party.

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[quote]lixy wrote:
JeffR wrote:
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Do you see nothing wrong with a man running on the following platform?

I don’t think he’s got a snowball’s chance in hell. But to be fair, I didn’t think America would be re-electing Bush either.[/quote]

Save us, Rudy! Save us from those scary ragheads.

I thought only terrorists used fear as a political weapon.

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[quote]Varqanir wrote:
lixy wrote:
JeffR wrote:
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Do you see nothing wrong with a man running on the following platform?

I don’t think he’s got a snowball’s chance in hell. But to be fair, I didn’t think America would be re-electing Bush either.

Save us, Rudy! Save us from those scary ragheads.

I thought only terrorists used fear as a political weapon.

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Would someone please tell me that this is fake?!
Even while it’s funny, I can’t laugh about it.

When I look at today’s western election process, I can’t help but wonder: How did it come to this? Why won’t we get any smarter?
The american presidential candidates are a bunch of sorry fools (save for one man with integrity and wits, whose opponents here never fail to point out his “flaw”: he won’t win).

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Does anybody else here think that Rudy Giuliani…

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…looks a lot like Benito Mussolini?