How many of us are out campaigning for him and who will be voting!? It seems many people talk about the candidates they like until their faces turn blue but don’t even vote.
Visit his website, sign up to campaign and go to the poles!
I’m a voter myself and will be voting for Ron Paul should he make it. I also am a campaign volunteer. Ron Paul for President!!
Chuck Norris WISHES he could vote for Ron Paul. I know he endorsed Huckabee though. Huckabee told Chuck he’d beat his ass if he didn’t endorse him.
Actually, I like some of Paul’s ideas, antiquated as they are. Abolishing the Federal Reserve is a good idea. Trouble is, we’re an empire now. If we back off and try to be nice, the rest of the world will kill us. Ever read ‘A Clockwork Orange’?
[quote]texasguy2 wrote:
How many of us are out campaigning for him and who will be voting!? It seems many people talk about the candidates they like until their faces turn blue but don’t even vote.
Visit his website, sign up to campaign and go to the poles!
I’m a voter myself and will be voting for Ron Paul should he make it. I also am a campaign volunteer. Ron Paul for President!!
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Usually passion for a candidate is a good thing.
However, you guys pervert it into something pretty creepy.
It’s almost like a drug addiction. You just can’t see how wrong it is.
MUST…HAVE…mo…ron.
JeffR
[quote]JeffR wrote:
Usually passion for a candidate is a good thing.
However, you guys pervert it into something pretty creepy.
It’s almost like a drug addiction. You just can’t see how wrong it is.
JeffR
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The unusual passion shown for Ron Paul by his supporters is likely due to the extreme differences between him and the rest of the candidates of both parties. To many, this is “such a breath of fresh air” that an abundance of genuine excitement is created in return.
Perhaps we’ve become so accustomed to the insignificant amount of enthusiasm political candidates generate that when great enthusiasm is eventually displayed for a given politician it appears “unnatural”, making others feel uncomfortable in the process? However, it should be acknowledged that it isn’t so much Ron Paul himself as it is his ideas, which are extremely appealing to those completely unsatisfied with the status-quo.
Yeah, you Ronbots quit being so passionate. This is Politics, not Sports! What the hell is your problem?
[quote]JeffR wrote:
Usually passion for a candidate is a good thing.
However, you guys pervert it into something pretty creepy.
It’s almost like a drug addiction. You just can’t see how wrong it is.
MUST…HAVE…mo…ron.
JeffR[/quote]
That’s pretty amusing from you, seeing as you’re posting that from behind your little RudyRection™. Not that it’s in the way or anything.
[quote]pookie wrote:
JeffR wrote:
Usually passion for a candidate is a good thing.
However, you guys pervert it into something pretty creepy.
It’s almost like a drug addiction. You just can’t see how wrong it is.
MUST…HAVE…mo…ron.
JeffR
That’s pretty amusing from you, seeing as you’re posting that from behind your little RudyRection™. Not that it’s in the way or anything.
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pookie,
You are on FIRE today. I like the RudyRection!!!
I’d rather not say what the moRon’s are having. I don’t want to stretch that metaphor to include the moRon’s!!!
Yes, I have a RudyRection. However, you have to admit, I’m not spamming the entire board with headlines.
ron paul combs his hair. ron paul walks.
It’s pretty creepy.
JeffR
[quote]Headhunter wrote:
If we back off and try to be nice, the rest of the world will kill us. Ever read ‘A Clockwork Orange’?[/quote]
Silly Rabbit…works of fiction should not be the standard for analysis.
You falsely assume we are going to befall the same fate as “Mr.DeLarge” with the “Ludovico Technique”.
It is possible to be friends with people and openly trade with them and defend ourselves properly. The US is not an individual actor. There is no one fate for this country.
[quote]cloakmanor wrote:
JeffR wrote:
Usually passion for a candidate is a good thing.
However, you guys pervert it into something pretty creepy.
It’s almost like a drug addiction. You just can’t see how wrong it is.
JeffR
The unusual passion shown for Ron Paul by his supporters is likely due to the extreme differences between him and the rest of the candidates of both parties. To many, this is “such a breath of fresh air” that an abundance of genuine excitement is created in return.
Perhaps we’ve become so accustomed to the insignificant amount of enthusiasm political candidates generate that when great enthusiasm is eventually displayed for a given politician it appears “unnatural”, making others feel uncomfortable in the process? However, it should be acknowledged that it isn’t so much Ron Paul himself as it is his ideas, which are extremely appealing to those completely unsatisfied with the status-quo.[/quote]
cloak,
I disagree with your assertion to some degree. While I acknowledge that the impressionable amongst us might think “ABOLISH THE U.S. GOVERNMENT” is a great idea, I think there are some creepy factors in play.
The vast majority of these guys are Rage Against the Machiners. It’s the, “My Dad doesn’t like me so I’m going to be a rebel without a cause.”
Don’t believe me?
Pick one of these moRon’s and ask them directly about the ramifications of one of ron paul’s proposals.
You will quickly discover that not only are ron paul’s ideas untenable, but, his supporters haven’t thought through the ramifications.
Again, pick one of these fanatics and ask direct questions.
It’s drug addiction/rebellion/Rage Against the Machine >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ron paul is right on the issues.
JeffR
[quote]JeffR wrote:
cloakmanor wrote:
JeffR wrote:
Usually passion for a candidate is a good thing.
However, you guys pervert it into something pretty creepy.
It’s almost like a drug addiction. You just can’t see how wrong it is.
JeffR
The unusual passion shown for Ron Paul by his supporters is likely due to the extreme differences between him and the rest of the candidates of both parties. To many, this is “such a breath of fresh air” that an abundance of genuine excitement is created in return.
Perhaps we’ve become so accustomed to the insignificant amount of enthusiasm political candidates generate that when great enthusiasm is eventually displayed for a given politician it appears “unnatural”, making others feel uncomfortable in the process? However, it should be acknowledged that it isn’t so much Ron Paul himself as it is his ideas, which are extremely appealing to those completely unsatisfied with the status-quo.
cloak,
I disagree with your assertion to some degree. While I acknowledge that the impressionable amongst us might think “ABOLISH THE U.S. GOVERNMENT” is a great idea, I think there are some creepy factors in play.
The vast majority of these guys are Rage Against the Machiners. It’s the, “My Dad doesn’t like me so I’m going to be a rebel without a cause.”
Don’t believe me?
Pick one of these moRon’s and ask them directly about the ramifications of one of ron paul’s proposals.
You will quickly discover that not only are ron paul’s ideas untenable, but, his supporters haven’t thought through the ramifications.
Again, pick one of these fanatics and ask direct questions.
It’s drug addiction/rebellion/Rage Against the Machine >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ron paul is right on the issues.
JeffR[/quote]
Jeff,
I am a bit surprised at your loyalty to the system. First off you know me and I have been on your side in many political debate in the past. In fact there was a time when I was one of your only allies on this board.
Let me point out. I am 28 an insurance agent for 9 years and am currently going to school to become a nurse. Which means I work 40 hours a week and put in 20+ hours a week on nights and weekends and still have 3 more years to go to get my certification. Also I am a republican, and voted for bush twice, even though I wasn’t thrilled about him, I thought kerry would have been much worse. I am not a 16 year old crackpot or weed smoker or any of the other derogitory terms you have used to classify Ron Pauls Supporters. In Fact, I have been talking to many rational democrats and republicans who I know through business, school and other aspects of my life I.E. friends at a private Country Club with a membership fee of 3,000+ per year depending on age. This group of people can hardly be considered fringe or uneducated or loony. Half of these people are blue bloods, and when they take an honest look at Ron Paul and his policies, many are intrigued, some believe in his message but don’t give him a credible chance to win, (yet) and still others have decided to be active supporters.
You really bit hard on the main street medias classification of ron paul supporters and for this I am a little dissapointed in you. Why don’t you go talk to a few ron paul supporters in your area, go to a meetup, see what they are all about. You may be surprised that the majority are honest hardworking americans who are sick and tired of the status quo and just want the government to go fuck off.
Nobody can argue about the long term ramifications of any foreign policy because look at what we thought would happen in Iraq, we would be recieved as liberators, even I believed it. But the reality is that we were wrong about how others would recieve us and our tanks and guns. I am willing to take a chance on letting people react to our peace and friendship for a while, it honestly can’t get any worse.
V
Uh oh…Micky has started his own Anti-Ron Paul thread.
http://www.t-nation.com/tmagnum/readTopic.do?id=1833467
Its starting to get desperate on here.
Great post, Vegita!
All of the Ron Paul supporters I know are level headed, well-informed voters. Most, myself included, usually vote Republican, but, after the last eight years, have simply become completely disillusioned with the party. Ron Paul is the only candidate who represents change. He’s certainly not a perfect candidate, but what other choice is there?
[quote]IvanDmitritch wrote:
Ron Paul is the only candidate who represents change. He’s certainly not a perfect candidate, but what other choice is there?
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And this point cannot be stated enough. If you want your GOP to be respected again there is no better choice for a president that Paul.
Not even Chuck Norris can save this party.
Favorite Huckabee quote: “When Chuck Norris does a pushup he doesn’t push himself up but rather pushes the earth down.”
Huckabee should stick with what he knows – telling jokes and playing bass guitar.
[quote]IvanDmitritch wrote:
All of the Ron Paul supporters I know are level headed, well-informed voters. [/quote]
Hard to tell. Vegita actually believed US troops will be greeted as liberators in Iraq. Not exactly what I would call a “well-informed” person.
[quote]lixy wrote:
IvanDmitritch wrote:
All of the Ron Paul supporters I know are level headed, well-informed voters.
Hard to tell. Vegita actually believed US troops will be greeted as liberators in Iraq. Not exactly what I would call a “well-informed” person.[/quote]
Touche’ I agree that that idea now seems ignorant. However at the time I was relying on the MSM for my information as I was mostly dissalusioned with politics and world affairs. I wasn’t doing research online and thus my ideas were not very well informed. That being said, I am fairly intelligent by my own admission and if you would like to challenge me on that, feel free to do so. I don’t resort to name calling, unless it’s my buddy Vroom, j/k vrommie, and am open to discuss any topic. I prefer to discuss things with people who disagree with me as that is the only true way to grow as a person. Having a bunch of discussions with people who share you views is the equivalent of agreeing with yourself, and doesn’t make for an enlightened mind.
V
[quote]lixy wrote:
IvanDmitritch wrote:
All of the Ron Paul supporters I know are level headed, well-informed voters.
Hard to tell. Vegita actually believed US troops will be greeted as liberators in Iraq. Not exactly what I would call a “well-informed” person.[/quote]
Quite honestly, I thought the same. I was obviously wrong, but I don’t think being well-informed means one is always going to be right. But, I’m sure you know that and were just bustin’ vegita’s balls a little…
[quote]JeffR wrote:
The vast majority of these guys are Rage Against the Machiners. It’s the, “My Dad doesn’t like me so I’m going to be a rebel without a cause.”
Don’t believe me?
Pick one of these moRon’s and ask them directly about the ramifications of one of ron paul’s proposals.
You will quickly discover that not only are ron paul’s ideas untenable, but, his supporters haven’t thought through the ramifications.
Again, pick one of these fanatics and ask direct questions.
It’s drug addiction/rebellion/Rage Against the Machine >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ron paul is right on the issues.
JeffR[/quote]
Good post. I have discussed this with a few Paulers, and I have a feeling that many of them simply have not done any research on Pauls economics. They seem to jsut simply jump onto this bandwagon, getting swept up into a fervor, a mania, and are rocketing this guy toward god-like status.
I think all they hear from Paul is, “eliminate government”, and of course that appeals to 15 year old angst ridden teens living in their moms basement. I mean, when I was 15 all the music I listened to was all “down with the government” punk stuff. So you are spot on with the “Rage Against the Machiners” line.
I have been accused of being a mole for the Rudy Guiliani, or Mitt Romney campaigns for simply questioning Pauls stance on everything. That tells me plenty about Ron Paul supporters.
I like Paul, I really do. I think he is an honest, noble, good man. His heart is in the right place, but his head is still in the 1800s.
I don’t even know if I want to vote this time around, none of these candidates are making and sense.
[quote]Vegita wrote:
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Please don’t take offense in my post. It was just a cheap shot on my side to make a point. I wanted to get to the pre-invasion disinformation that the American media kept hammering into people’s brains. Europeans (and people around the world for that matter) were overwhelmingly against the war for a reason: they had access to better information.
A very good illustration of the degree of disinformation are the numerous polls showing substantial proportions of Americans believed Saddam was involved with Al-Qaeda and that WMD were found in Iraq years after the invasion.
Retrospectively, my post was silly and easily refutable since you brought up “well-informed” in a particular context. For the purposes of this thread, the populations to compare were the supporters of different presidential candidates. It was a logical fallacy to put it in absolute terms. Furthermore, it is no mystery that bias in the media is unavoidable, and that on certain issues, the American population ends up having better information than Europe.
Cheers,
[quote]lixy wrote:
Furthermore, it is no mystery that bias in the media is unavoidable, and that on certain issues, the American population ends up having better information than Europe.
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What? did Paris get new shoes…?