He put on fifty pounds in a week? whatatatattatattatatt
Are you trying to tell me Dorian Yates used 2g gear non-stop? I’d believe that, however I don’t believe he never used higher dosages for contest prep
What dose did you use? I’ve only ran it once in the past at 200mg/wk with my TRT as a bridge. I didn’t see much in the gym but also feel like it helped me maintain my weight. I did feel like it also helped somewhat in the bedroom. I highly believe in placebo effects though so it coulda been that.
used 200mg with 100mg T (test dose was waaaayyyyy too low, joints hurt like hell but didn’t want to go above 300mg/wk).
100mg test/wk is like me hovering at 400ng/dl as cavg, nadir even lower
Just to share a case report I consider to be somewhat of a meme… check this out https://biomedres.us/pdfs/BJSTR.MS.ID.003648.pdf
So the guy has heart failure. Statement says “stopped using drugs 1 year prior to presentation”… His HDL is 14mg/dl… Nooooppppeee, his LDL/HDL ratio is 10/1, dude is clearly still on stuff
Might have been two weeks. Inside story, he wanted to go out with some woman but she thought he was too fat. He went on a hardcore cut and then got surprised with the invite.
I expect that Yates and most others stayed on that test dose year-round. Other stuff just gets cycled in at contest prep, it keeps your gains if you just stay on.
I can believe Yates being on 2g of test all year as his cruise, but 2g of total anabolics to win the Olympia? Hell no. Not in a million years. Anyone who believes otherwise is naive.
In regards to always staying on, that doesnt matter. You still have to up your dose to get progressively bigger. So of course they stayed on, but also constantly increased doses.
SB
Out of curiosity, from you’re anecdotal experience, is the gastrointestinal discomfort dose dependent or simply prevelant in some from any dosage.
Say I was to use 150mg test 150 mg nandrolone and kick it off with 5mg dbol/day for 1-2 wks soley for enhanced glycogenolysis. Would the indigestion and gastrointestinal discomfort likely be as strong comparative to 15-20mg/day. Do you find all orals to induce this? I know some are predisposed to such issues (heartburn, cramping etc) however the mechanism as to why appears to be unknown, wonder if stomach ulcers have been correlated with prolonged usage… aside from the discomfort, I appeared to retain minimal water, looked harder, fuller, more vascular… felt shitty though (interesting how these compound shapes react differently from person to person)
Unsure if I’m using nandrolone, waiting for shoulder imaging to come back. The prevelance of a tear, impingement, calcificative tendinitis etc would indicate yes. A healthy shoulder would indicate no. If its torn I need to put off surgery til next year. Don’t want to cancel my Europe trip, and I wish to function in Europe without significant pain. It may not be the healthiest option, especially as I’ll probably be behaving like a fucking moron with some of my family (slightly older than I, but that’s fine, I tend to get alone with older crowds better than my age demographic… I mean come on… I’m going to Amsterdam, probably totalling 7 days there or so, this screams “irresponsible behaviour” to me, and honestly… I’m excited)
I hear they have live sex shows… Wonder what that’s all about
On dbol I got massive adductor cramps Everytime I bent down. Never even thought you could get cramps there haha
Relatable, whether it’s dbol related or chronic pain related (I started getting them RIIIIIGHHHHT before using dbol) I get uncontrollable twitching/cramping/ visibly palpating spasm within my traps, neck, chest, obliques, shoulders (particularly rear deltoids) rhomboids and lats. Involuntary, very irritating, sometimes painful.
You can visibly SEE the muscle fibres twitching! Wondering if I have an electrolyte imbalance (magnesium deficiency perhaps)… But I’m not experiencing arrhythmias or any other symptoms relating to electrolyte imbalance (particularly within premature ventricular contractions, I get them sometimes, perhaps a few per week) It’s very normal, the majority of the populace experience them yet don’t pay attention/realise, however I tend to be hyper focused/ very in tune with my body and thus I do notice when they occur
I believe one piece of literature stated on a 24 hr halter, more than 90% of the populace experiences at least 1 PAC/day (premature atrial contraction, a type of cardiac dysrhythmia)
I would say it’s prevalent at any dose and with most orals ive used. It may disrupt intestinal flora most likely leading to gastritis.
Im excited for your trip to Amdam. I think you’ll love it dude.
SB
Hmmmmm, in this case the heartburn may be a mere irritant but something I can put up with. The chances of such an imbalance in my bacterial flora over the course of say… a few weeks isn’t likely to induce serious pathology in the short term, the accelerated risk for say… colorectal cancer will only become apparent many, many decades down the line
The only things to worry about now would be… dyslipidemia, hepatotoxicity, nephrotoxicity, cardiotoxicity, neurotoxicity, acne scarring, gynocomastia, high blood pressure, electrolyte imbalance… With my rotator cuff injury I don’t see the point of continuing use anyway, it’s retarded… can’t make the most of it, so what’s the point.
I’ll probably try nandrolone (which isn’t a good idea at all given my predisposition to anxiety), however I’ve used it before, I think I can handle 150mg/wk… ED/anorgasmia will be induced however (but it’d rather that than… pain). The ADHD medication (amphetamine/amphetamine derivative) I take in order to improve my study performance (which I’m quitting for good come the end of final exams) are the prime culprit for the majority of my anxiety… I do NOT react well to stimulants… I’ve been calm for a very long time, started taking them as needed recently to prepare for final exams… and had a panic attack yesterday… I haven’t had a panic attack for almost a year
Seriously, I never get anxious nowadays unless I take these meds… I’ve spoken to my psychiatrist about it, however we both agree that the deleterious effect is worth the positive effect the meds have on my ability to concentrate, at least for the next few weeks. Other side effects are
- appetite disruption
- mood swings/aggression (they say steroids cause roid rage… bullshit, amphetamines induce aggression within me, and I’m otherwise an extremely calm, well mannered person who has too be seriously provoked for a prolonged period of time in order for me to lose my temper)
- increased libido
- Increased heart rate, leading to palpitations (feeling like it’s beating very hard)
Im the same as you with regards to stimulant use. I do not react well to any stimulants, I can feel the anxiety even after a single coffee.
Im not sure what meds you take to focus but during my degrees I used Modaphinil a few times and it helped with my concentration without causing any anxiety. Maybe something to look into if you havent already.
SB
I use dexamfetamine/lisdexamfetamine (I’m supposed to take 5-20mg dexamfetamine/day) and the lisdexamfetamine is from 5 years ago or so, but I ran out of Dex and couldn’t be bothered to go in for a re-fill so I’m not using lisdexamfetamine, of which is a pro-drug to Dex, conversion occurs via hydroxylation in RBC’s. I’m an ultra rapid cyp2d6 metaboliser, thus Dex tends to effect me, I use typically about 2.5mg at a time.
I can’t do coffee either, firstly… acid reflux due to oesophageal relaxation and secondly I become jittery, heart rate increases by a good 10-15BPM.
Modaphinil I’ve been offered (not from my doctor… but from friends and such), I’ve never taken it as the drug was (probably) purchased from a dealer, in which case I don’t trust the composition of said drug, for all I know it could contain methamphetamine… I know someone who has takes it via prescription, I’ll probably ask to try it (they’ll be fine with it, despite the action being somewhat irresponsible)
I recall Adderal inducing psychosis/EXTREME emotional dysregulation in me as a child (very young), I was fine with Vyvanse (well… depends how you define fine). I use as needed, as in… although I’m supposed to use on a daily basis, I choose not to. Despite the well recorded safety profile of the drugs, the potential cardiovascular impact still manages to concern me (as recreational dosages can induce cardiotoxicity/arrythmia), that and long standing dopaminergic dysregulation, then again I do legitimately have ADD, thus the drugs tend to allow me to concentrate/have a legitimate attention span (esp in relation to focusing on things I dislike/find boring).
The thing is however… I’m young, young people tend to have short attention spans, thus is medicating me for such issues legitimately the right course of action? I’d say 50/50, I do have LEGITIMATE attention deficit disorder, and my attention span in relation to certain subjects/ability too suffer through school lectures is horrific, however wouldn’t the correct course of action merely be too cater the educational system towards the minority as well as the masses? School is uniform, in that the academic system caters towards the majority, the minority (such as myself with social difficulties and such) get left out in the cold, and have to strenuously advocate for themselves in order to make it… Interestingly, my grades are still decent despite my lack of concentration (not great, around high B+ average). My last exam (in relation to a comparison of two novels, I scored a B/B+, which sucks for me in relation to English/literature (which A would be the norm) but… I didn’t read either of the novels).
I realised this and it was because of social media mainly. So i got rid of it all.
Anyway, kind of weird but Dr Sir just liked one of my posts. Is that you brother or is it just a ghost? @physioLojik
He liked one of my posts last week too. He’s active on the site… I think, but probably very busy. Undergoing Dr Sir duties of a sirious nature
Or perhaps a post-mortem Dr Sir, risen from the grave to dispense endocrine advice and harm minimisation strategies
I’m with a family member now watching this shitty film called Beowulf, I seriously think I’m losing brain cells watching this… neurotoxicity from anabolic steroids? Pffftttt… more like neurotoxicity from watching garbage… can’t watch any more of this… MUST… leeeaaavvvee
Also @singhbuilder if I recall you’re situated in the UK correct? I’m going to be in the UK later this year (trip isn’t just for for Amsterdam, far from it. I’m away for 6 wks, yeeting all over Europe to hopefully find answers to ascertain what I want out of life and perhaps find meaning… but I doubt that’ll happen lol)
At this point I’m starting to think life may merely be what we make of it, perhaps there is no meaning, no reason as to why we are here (this has been troubling me since I was about 13) other than to reproduce our offspring and extend the human race, of which we are somewhat parasitic, irreparably damaging the planet, and that’s a bit depressing don’t ya think? And then factor in the variable that given the fertility issues experienced from both my parental guardianship and my hypogonadism (potentially primary as LH and FSH were still we’ll within range 6 months after trt initiation) I probably can’t reproduce on my own… so… Yeet. That’s actually why I want/wanted to enter the medical profession, to help others and make a difference in relation to the way people are treated for under represented medical ailments… I thought perhaps that’d give me meaning… but then what if it doesn’t, and then I’ve lost another 10 years of my life to intensive academics
Aaaaaaaaaa existentialist crisis mimicking midlife crisis at a super young age aaaaaaa why do I have to think about things dammit. If I was a normal person these things wouldn’t reside within my mind dammit! At least not at this fucking age
I know… I’ll buy a Ferrari, that’ll fix it somehow
We doing a T-Nation Convention in the UK? I’ll come have a diet coke and lift with you guys!
Ok but I can’t bench / press due to rotator cuff pathology. Interestingly I can do dips (extremely hypermobile thus the position doesn’t irritate me at all like it does for many)
What about reverse grip?
Nope, can’t even do lateral raises without serious discomfort
RIP Capped delts.
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more like RIP rotator cuff