[quote]The Beast wrote:
Worst advice I ever got was to not do any direct arm work. Although, perhaps it is good advice…if you want small arms.[/quote]
Amen. I gained size on my back and chest doing compound movements but my arms are lagging.
[quote]Steve-O-68 wrote:
Listen to the big guys in the gym. They’re huge, so they know what they’re doing. [/quote]
I’d rather listen to the big guys in the gym (over the years, big guys in gyms have given me many valuable tips) than any personal trainer that I’ve ever spoken with (the stupidest shit I’ve heard in any gym I’ve worked out in have come out of the mouths of personal trainers).
[quote]MNguns wrote:
Ahhhh … yes. If they so so, it must be true. Wasn’t it scientists that said extra protein in the diet is bad and will lead to kidney damage. Or was it the same guys that said creatine will destroy your kidneys.
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No, it was irresponsible lay media. Scientists are actually pretty smart.
[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:
brucevangeorge wrote:
m0dd3r wrote:
Houshin Akai wrote:
I stopped talking to him before considering how to break his skinny, emancipated frame.
why do you hate freedom?
LOL! This is coming from a dude in the States!
How ironic.
“Freedom” as you know it is dead. You have your Government to thank for that.
WTF?[/quote]
No. Not WTF.
Secret Service Visits Man After Letter To Editor (ABC News)
http://www.thedenverchannel.com/politics/10807573/detail.html
Summary
The 81 year old man was interrogated by Secret Service agents after he wrote a letter to the Editor of a local newspaper saying that they “hung the wrong man” (referring to Hussein). They searched his house (no warrant I guess) and took pictures of him.
Seriously. How fucked up is that? I thought America was the land of the free?
Free to do what? Buy shit? And do what the government tells you…
[quote]BigAlSwede wrote:
I’m a high school assistant wrestling coach. My head coach reciently told a kid not to eat any protein because it’d make him gain weight and he wouldn’t be able to make his weight class.
Shortly later I heard him tell another kid not to eat carbs because it’ll make you weak and drain you of your energy. I guess that leaves…lard and greese? Sounds like a great nutrition plan![/quote]
I’d report him to the school principle. That’s fucking irresponsible and dangerous for the kids. He shouldn’t be coaching.
[quote]Petedacook wrote:
MNguns wrote:
I hear so much about X amount of weight is my long term goal or this many reps. I don’t understand why I don’t hear more peoples goals to be X degrees ROM or be able to put the palm of their hand on the ground without bending their knees.
Do you realize this is Testosterone Nation, Bodybuilding’s think tank, and it is self proclaimed dangerously hardcore?
If you forgot, look at the banner at the top of your screen, it says “T-Nation Bodybuilding’s think tank.”
Perhaps this is why you keep hearing people say their goals are that of a body builder, this is a bodybuilding website. [/quote]
Yah… this is a BODYBUILDING website… and a part of bodybuilding is to be in good physical shape, all around, that includes flexability.
[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:
brucevangeorge wrote:
m0dd3r wrote:
Houshin Akai wrote:
I stopped talking to him before considering how to break his skinny, emancipated frame.
why do you hate freedom?
LOL! This is coming from a dude in the States!
How ironic.
“Freedom” as you know it is dead. You have your Government to thank for that.
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Freedom is dead and you have the government to thank for that??
You have yourself, and everybody around you to thank for that. A nation full of people that are more worried about what Paris Hilton is up to, rather then worrying about what their government is up to.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
A lot of people could probably benefit by actually following that one. If someone has been training for years longer than you and has achieved that much in terms of progress, to believe you couldn’t learn anything from them at all is pretty damned retarded thinking.[/quote]
Why would you listen to big guys in the gym when there are so many Internet experts tipping the scales at 160 lbs. who know everything. They’ve read some articles, after all. Besides, every big guy in the gym is either fat, on steroids, or is a genetic freak.
No one gets big through hard work, dedication, and the purposeful application of knowledge about training. People get big by luck, by drugs, or by accident.
Duh.
The worst advice I received is:
The best way to lose weight is to eat three square meals a day.
[quote]tmoney1 wrote:
The worst advice I received is:
The best way to lose weight is to eat three square meals a day.[/quote]
It’s better than the college student diet
Daytime
1 large meal
Nighttime
lots of beer
I laughed and laughed untill i cried on this one. That is funny, i could just picture it in my head.
It reminded me of when i was in the gym and two newbie guys were doing bicep curls.
They were throwing the weight up and down to their chest and using the most horrific form humanly possible…Then they walked over to the mirror with that “I’m the man” look to compare “bicep size”.
I almost dropped the 50lbs dumbell’s on my head after finishing my last set of shoulder press…It was the most shockingly hilarious thing i have ever seen. I couldn’t even finish my workout properley after that…
While I was deadlifting next to a 24 hour personal douche bag, he said this to his client,
“You need ALOT of carbohydrates because carbo means energy and hydrate means water.”
Note: I’m not saying that you don’t NEED carbs, but Jesus jumped up Christ, if this is the reason, sign me up for a vat of Trans Fats please!
Some more pearls of absurdity from the common folk that spew common knowledge:
Cholesterol and Saturated fats cause heart disease, so limit your consumption. Really, this is easy! I only have to eliminate all forms of meat, organs, eggs, dairy and oils from my diet and eat only bread, fruits, veggies and tofu…fuckin’ sweet, sign me up!
Drinking raw milk is like playing Russian roulette, so only drink pasteurized dairy products.
Don’t eat raw egg yolks, you’ll get Salmonella poisoning if you do.
Whenever you go out into the sun, where your sunscreen…spf 9,000,000,000,000 or higher.
Flu shots prevent the flu, so make sure to get your flu shot every year.
‘Eat less calories and you’ll lose weight, it’s as simple as that.’ 24 Hour Fitness University mis-informer that had just finished using an analogy that involved a window and air coming in and out to illustrate this point. I raised my hand and asked if losing a limb could be considered too, since it’s instant weight loss and we could sell our client on the “Lose 20lbs Overnight Program”…he wasn’t amused.
Smoking cigarettes will help you lose weight/will help with digestion/will liberate you as a woman.(you gotta be pretty old for this one)
Vioxx is completely safe, so stay with your normal dosage.
“The air is safe to breathe.” EPA spokeswoman after the 911 clusterfuck.
If you are lacking in nutrition, take a multivitamin.
There is no difference between organic foods and commercial.
Labor-type work is only for idiots and people that have given up, get out while you can.
Your internal organs have nothing to do with your musculoskeletal system.
Carbo-load before the big game, so that you have adequate energy levels.
Vitamin A causes birth defects, so keep it below x amount per day to ensure a healthy pregancy.
Mercury amalgams are perfectly safe, there is no need to replace them.
Lacto-fermented foods are dangerous because they contain bacteria.
‘Because you are a heart patient, you should stay away from sports.’
‘Because you are a heart patient, you should never lift weights above your head.’
Because your bloodtype is different from your husband’s, you need to take this shot or else your baby could die.’ Our brilliant doctor’s advice that is completely ridiculous considering that this shot is generally never taken until the END of the pregnancy (we were six weeks into it) and more importantly IT IS THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE MOTHER AND THE CHILD that determines whether or not this invented shot COULD be administered.
The abdominal wall acts like a rubber band, therefore there is no such thing as a upper or lower abs. '24 Hour Fitness ‘University’ statement on how to train your future client’s ‘cores.’
‘Without surgery (major reconstructive surgery), your shoulders won’t heal correctly, therefore, I think you should opt for the surgery.’ My genius ortho’s statement before my first of three major reconstructive surgeries that actually made my shoulders more UNSTABLE.
And the grand finale:
Asbestos, lead, Fen-Phen, Baycol, Thalidomide, DDT, DDE, dioxins, aspertame, saccharin, ‘bio-solids’, Raxar, coal dust, benzene, flouride, CO2 emissions, all herbicides, Posicor, Propulsid, Duract, Rezulin, Lotronex, grey water, strip mining, coke(not the fun stuff…the black granule shit made at refineries), bio-technology, cloning, microwaves, irradiation, pasteurization, soy isolate and all of its commercial derivatives, oxidized fat, septic/drainfield systems,margarine…were or are considered completely safe to consume, use or implement. I ask you all to take a look at our population’s collective health and ask the question: if all of these are safe, shouldn’t we all be living to be 100 instead of the now 69.3 average?
[quote]Lean_Athlete wrote:
Last but not least, curling advice. One guy told me that I was being “too stiff” when I curl and I needed to swing my body; otherwise, I couldn’t lift as much weight.
I laughed and laughed untill i cried on this one. That is funny, i could just picture it in my head.
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I don’t keep my body perfectly stiff when doing alternate dumbbell curls. Is it that unlikely he was trying to get this guy to learn that some “cheating” in some movements is a good thing?
Let me know when you get to curling 85-90lbs dumbbells without moving your upper body at all.
I think the worst advice I have ever heard is switch from regular soda to diet soda, and use splenda in your coffee instead of sugar.
This is totally opinion based, but I do belive aspertame is horrible for your body, as well as shit products like splenda. Like I said… totally opinion based.
Anyways, I think it is better to just cut out pop all togeather.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
Let me know when you get to curling 85-90lbs dumbbells without moving your upper body at all. [/quote]
I’ve always used alt db curls as an opportunity to use some body english.
Non-alternating and EZ curls I think it’s a good idea to try and stamp it out but the body is meant to act as a unit, I don’t think you lose much by adding a little shoulder activation into the mix as long as it’s not turning into something that looks more like a power clean than a curl.
[quote]Sxio wrote:
Professor X wrote:
Let me know when you get to curling 85-90lbs dumbbells without moving your upper body at all.
I’ve always used alt db curls as an opportunity to use some body english.
Non-alternating and EZ curls I think it’s a good idea to try and stamp it out but the body is meant to act as a unit, I don’t think you lose much by adding a little shoulder activation into the mix as long as it’s not turning into something that looks more like a power clean than a curl. [/quote]
There is also a HUGE difference between that and some newbie who is lifting more weight than he should using every muscle in his body to get a weight up. I see a lot of little guys trying to use absolute perfect form on biceps curls (especially those who use super slow reps)as if someone is grading them on the movement.
I rarely see any of them become “muscular guys” who are lifting the same as those that understand some “educated cheating” is a good thing if your goal is to get much stronger and much larger.
[quote]DanErickson wrote:
Petedacook wrote:
MNguns wrote:
I hear so much about X amount of weight is my long term goal or this many reps. I don’t understand why I don’t hear more peoples goals to be X degrees ROM or be able to put the palm of their hand on the ground without bending their knees.
Do you realize this is Testosterone Nation, Bodybuilding’s think tank, and it is self proclaimed dangerously hardcore?
If you forgot, look at the banner at the top of your screen, it says “T-Nation Bodybuilding’s think tank.”
Perhaps this is why you keep hearing people say their goals are that of a body builder, this is a bodybuilding website.
Yah… this is a BODYBUILDING website… and a part of bodybuilding is to be in good physical shape, all around, that includes flexability.
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So you think goals of people here should be to gain flexibility above muscle mass to a certain weight and low fat?
What bodybuilder has the goal of flexibility before a goal of size and mass?
This is ridiculous.
[quote]Petedacook wrote:
DanErickson wrote:
Petedacook wrote:
MNguns wrote:
I hear so much about X amount of weight is my long term goal or this many reps. I don’t understand why I don’t hear more peoples goals to be X degrees ROM or be able to put the palm of their hand on the ground without bending their knees.
Do you realize this is Testosterone Nation, Bodybuilding’s think tank, and it is self proclaimed dangerously hardcore?
If you forgot, look at the banner at the top of your screen, it says “T-Nation Bodybuilding’s think tank.”
Perhaps this is why you keep hearing people say their goals are that of a body builder, this is a bodybuilding website.
Yah… this is a BODYBUILDING website… and a part of bodybuilding is to be in good physical shape, all around, that includes flexability.
So you think goals of people here should be to gain flexibility above muscle mass to a certain weight and low fat?
What bodybuilder has the goal of flexibility before a goal of size and mass?
This is ridiculous.
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If you would bother to read what you posted, you would realize that nobody said somebody who is building mass should prioritize flexability, but there is no reason you cant work on both.
[quote]DanErickson wrote:
If you would bother to read what you posted, you would realize that nobody said somebody who is building mass should prioritize flexability, but there is no reason you cant work on both.
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Actually, that is exactly what he is saying, and which I responded to:
Please point out where he said flexibility is a side goal. Because it seems to me he is saying “I hear so much about X amount of weight is my long term goal or this many reps,” and he seems to have a problem with that as a long term goal as opposed to flexibility. NO WHERE does he say it is a side goal, and if he does, please point it out.
Holy shit, this whole flexibility/ stretching thing refuses to die. I think that Dave Tate made a good point when he was interviewed on T-Nation Radio a while back:
You take all the components necessary for achieving your goals, such as; agility, strength, flexibility, cardiovascular fitness.
You then see where you rank out of 10 for those and compare your numbers with the ideal (taken by observing a professional powerlifter, football player, bodybuilder etc.)
If for example you are a powerlifter and need 4 out of 10 for cardio, you do GPP until you reach that goal AND NO MORE.
I believe this is the point that Prof X was making initially when saying that stretching should be kept to a minimum.
He ,and others like him, are probably in a position where the flexibility ‘score’ is where it needs to be. For others, like myself, who suffer from poor flexibility, stretching has moved to a high position on the list of priorities (i.e. it is hindering my squat performance by bringing down my ‘strength’ and ‘technique’ scores).
If this is the case then concentrating on improving flexibility is a pretty fucking good idea.
I understand why you might have thought that this guy was going overboard, Petedacook. On the other hand I think he was drawing attention to the fact that not enough people look at how they rate on the flexibility scale AT ALL.
Jim Wendler also wrote an article along very similar lines:
http://www.elitefts.com/documents/new_look_at_weak_points.htm
Examples he gives (for himself, a powerlifter):
Technique needs to be: 10/10
Speed needs to be: 7/10
Strength needs to be: 9/10