Don’t do any direct shoulder work.
Funny how when I listened to this advice my shoulders were always bothering me. Then I started doing direct shoulder work and my shoulders haven’t bothered me since.
Also, my shoulders are pretty much weaker and smaller in comparison to the rest of my upper body and now I have to play catch up.
[quote]MNguns wrote:
Static stretching prior workout is bad.
hahaah I laughed my ass off[/quote]
were you laughing because that person was right?
http://www.T-Nation.com/findArticle.do?article=04-005-training
[quote]Ghost22 wrote:
Deserteaglle wrote:
And my FAVORITE!!!
Crunches are worthless.
They basically are. [/quote]
Care to expound upon that?
“Workout every day and don’t eat anything white.”
Eat a jar of peanut butter a day . . . .
Worst advice I ever got was to not do any direct arm work. Although, perhaps it is good advice…if you want small arms.
[quote]eawhite wrote:
Don’t do any direct shoulder work.
Funny how when I listened to this advice my shoulders were always bothering me. Then I started doing direct shoulder work and my shoulders haven’t bothered me since.[/quote]
Ditto. My shoulder problems disappeared when I adhered to two rules:
#1. Never push it until you can pull it.
#2. Side and rear delts in every session.
Certainly better than those 8 wasted weeks of physiotherapy…
– ElbowStrike
[quote]T Affliction G wrote:
MNguns wrote:
Static stretching prior workout is bad.
hahaah I laughed my ass off
were you laughing because that person was right?
http://www.T-Nation.com/findArticle.do?article=04-005-training
[/quote]
no shit, eh!
http://www.ast-ss.com/research/cribb/research_reviews/rr_full_text.asp?rrID=388
Eat, Lift, Grow!
Worst advice ever. It has a nice ring to it, it’s catchy and makes the guy saying it sound “tough” and “hard core”, but it has probably made more people too fat, and cost them years of training, than anything else I could think of.
[quote]AllTraps wrote:
T Affliction G wrote:
MNguns wrote:
Static stretching prior workout is bad.
hahaah I laughed my ass off
were you laughing because that person was right?
http://www.T-Nation.com/findArticle.do?article=04-005-training
no shit, eh!
http://www.ast-ss.com/research/cribb/research_reviews/rr_full_text.asp?rrID=388[/quote]
Ahhhh … yes. If they so so, it must be true. Wasn’t it scientists that said extra protein in the diet is bad and will lead to kidney damage. Or was it the same guys that said creatine will destroy your kidneys.
I’m not here to argue. I just think so many people are trying to find the easy way out, a shortcut if you will to getting the results they want. I hear so much about X amount of weight is my long term goal or this many reps. I don’t understand why I don’t hear more peoples goals to be X degrees ROM or be able to put the palm of their hand on the ground without bending their knees.
Oh well. Like I said, I’m not here to argue. Do what you want. Do what works best for you and your performance. Hell, if you can get your ass to your calfs after doing a couple dynamic stretches and warm-up sets I’m jealous!
“I won’t be offended if you don’t do it my way, we can still be friends” -Ian King
“I guess when scientists realize the importance of stretching, the masses will follow. Ahh… so many sheep”. -Ian King.
[quote]MNguns wrote:
I hear so much about X amount of weight is my long term goal or this many reps. I don’t understand why I don’t hear more peoples goals to be X degrees ROM or be able to put the palm of their hand on the ground without bending their knees.
[/quote]
Do you realize this is Testosterone Nation, Bodybuilding’s think tank, and it is self proclaimed dangerously hardcore?
If you forgot, look at the banner at the top of your screen, it says “T-Nation Bodybuilding’s think tank.”
Perhaps this is why you keep hearing people say their goals are that of a body builder, this is a bodybuilding website.
Like I said. I’m not here to argue.
Just saying what I think 
Getting a bunch of peoples differant opinions in a pool is good. It makes progress. This is not meant to be that post
If you drink any caffeine at all creatine is not absorbed by your body.
Interesting seeing how the first studies on creatine mixed it with tea and coffee!
Ads for Bowflex/Soloflex/whatever machine they’re pimping this year that imply that using their machine for 15 minutes a day for six months will make you look like the big cut guy they hired to use their machine in the ad.
First you have to develop a strong aerobic base by jogging, high reps in the gym… THEN you can work on strength after.
[quote]m0dd3r wrote:
Houshin Akai wrote:
I stopped talking to him before considering how to break his skinny, emancipated frame.
why do you hate freedom?[/quote]
LOL! This is coming from a dude in the States!
How ironic.
“Freedom” as you know it is dead. You have your Government to thank for that.
[quote]jarvis wrote:
MNguns wrote:
Static stretching prior workout is bad.
hahaah I laughed my ass off
It’s not bad, but as far as I’m aware you’re better off doing dynamic stretches before working out and concentrating on static stretches after.[/quote]
What is really funny is the large number of people walking around laughing because someone told them the truth. Static stretching can actually reduce strength for a subsequent lift. Maybe some people don’t consider that “bad”, but warming up with a lighter weight does more good in most cases than all of the stretching I see people doing in the corner when most of them aren’t even breaking a sweat when they lift.
Stretching should probably be saved for either after training or even during off days if you are going to focus on it at all. I personally think the entire concept is overhyped unless you are a gymnast or an acrobat.
[quote]MNguns wrote:
AllTraps wrote:
T Affliction G wrote:
MNguns wrote:
Static stretching prior workout is bad.
hahaah I laughed my ass off
were you laughing because that person was right?
http://www.T-Nation.com/findArticle.do?article=04-005-training
no shit, eh!
http://www.ast-ss.com/research/cribb/research_reviews/rr_full_text.asp?rrID=388
Ahhhh … yes. If they so so, it must be true. Wasn’t it scientists that said extra protein in the diet is bad and will lead to kidney damage. Or was it the same guys that said creatine will destroy your kidneys.
I’m not here to argue. I just think so many people are trying to find the easy way out, a shortcut if you will to getting the results they want. I hear so much about X amount of weight is my long term goal or this many reps. I don’t understand why I don’t hear more peoples goals to be X degrees ROM or be able to put the palm of their hand on the ground without bending their knees.
Oh well. Like I said, I’m not here to argue. Do what you want. Do what works best for you and your performance. Hell, if you can get your ass to your calfs after doing a couple dynamic stretches and warm-up sets I’m jealous!
“I won’t be offended if you don’t do it my way, we can still be friends” -Ian King
“I guess when scientists realize the importance of stretching, the masses will follow. Ahh… so many sheep”. -Ian King.[/quote]
If you aren’t here to argue, then why include the combative Ian King quotes at the end of your post? I don’t do “a few dynamic stretches”, I do a fairly comprehensive 10 minute dynamic warm-up. When squatting ATG I will statically stretch my hip flexors and calves/achilles tendons to increase my ROM, yes. But static stretch my hammies? No thanks. I’d rather lift more. I’m not following the masses, I’m following scientific evidence, clearly cited, my own anecdotal evidence, and a few heavyweights around here like DeFranco and Prof. X who just chimed in.
I’m not here to argue either. But have you tried dynamic stretches before your workout instead? I use static stretching on off days for recovery work coupled with my foam rolling/soft tissue work. Try it. And finally, a combative quote b/c I cannot help myself -
“Ian King is not God”
-Affliction
[quote]Professor X wrote:
Stretching should probably be saved for either after training or even during off days if you are going to focus on it at all. I personally think the entire concept is overhyped unless you are a gymnast or an acrobat.[/quote]
I have a pretty bad case of lordosis and I’ve found stretching to have helped immensely. I dynamically stretch my hip flexors, hams and glutes before DE and ME squat workouts.
I then statically stretch my hip flexors in between sets, a method advocated by people who can squat a whole lot more than me.
Finally after my PWO shake and meal, I statically stretch all the aforementioned muscle groups as well.
I’m not setting my sights on being a contortionist. however, I don’t think that trying to gain a decent level of mobility is something that should be relegated to ‘off’ days.
p.s. did anyone else imagine this thread becoming a debate on stretching?