Imo the most underrated point in all these types of discussions.
Not a woowoo point at all. Explaining color to someone who is color blind (to add an additional layer of banging the head against a wall) would explain a lot of the “advice” threads here. (not that I’m only complaining, because sometimes the entertainment value is quite high)
I’m not on my laptop right now so I can’t fully commit to addressing everyone and every questions or comments yet. But there’s one thing I wanna tackle. That of the age of the earth and evolution.
I believe in evolution as a real process that can happen. I believe in natural selection. I believe that IF the world is such that we all started from primordial slime, it (primordial slime) may evolve into something resembling the animals we see today, apes included. But I do not believe it is historical.
As for the age of the earth… I’d say less than 10,000 years. I don’t ascribe to old earth creationism. It’s black and white. It’s either you interpret the Genesis story literally or just be a damn atheist scientist. No gray area.
Yes… I’m serious. I truly believe that a Supreme Being created a planet thousands of years ago, put two people on it who violated a rule, and those two people gave birth to all of us unto a broken world. I believe in miracles and I dread the day America becomes completely secular. lol
I understand there are “Christians” out there who adopt evolution into their worldview. I’m not one of them.
My choice of what I believe (with regards to the age of the earth and Darwinian evolution) is really more emotional than intellectual. I’m not a very bright person. Just a high school graduate. And the idea of having to spend months after months studying a subject I couldn’t care less about only to come up with some shit that is already summarised in a 20-minute YouTube video repulses me. As far as I know with this particular subject, there are three hypotheses to choose from. One, Bible’s Genesis. Two, liberal (old earth) creationism with God making evolution happen. Three, what I simply will call “the scientist’s viewpoint”. I’m in the Bible side. I chose to believe it because it just feels right. And honestly, unless pressed, I don’t wanna talk about it. The only thing about science that I care to study and talk about is the ever-popular science of health and fitness.
However, if you wanna talk about philosophy, theology, and history, I’m game. Even if I force myself to talk about science, it wouldn’t go well because I sincerely have nothing to offer. Who gives a damn about learning the properties of stardust if instead you can spend your time reading Machiavelli’s works which will teach you workplace politics? Get what I’m saying?
Go ahead and ask me more about my thoughts on quantum physics if you enjoy doing pointless things. lol. I have nothing to offer outside of directing you to people who know more about it than I do.
My thoughts are that you can’t discuss philosophy without science and vice versa. To my mind the two are simply different names for the same thing, the same thought process. It’s the study of how we know what we know, or more likely, the study of how we’ve come to believe the things we’ve come to believe.
Edit: I feel we’ve come a long way from woo woo. Apologies @The_Myth
That’s a weird binary, except it’s not because:
Along with many other religions that believe in basic science.
The history of how we have evolved as a species directly influences the way we eat, how we move, and our emotional state. You can attempt to put yourself in a bubble related to science, but it does impact you.
Under the assumption that the history of species that have existed on this planet falls in the history bucket… Do you believe dinosaurs existed?
So you say you don’t care to know about science unless it relates to gainz. And you also confidently discount all science related to dating, radioactive decay, or anything with a timeline greater than 10,000 years.
Man, that is one helluva insulated bubble you live in. Ignorance is bliss I guess b/c you sure seem happy.
Pretty sure you are the reason Socrates didn’t like democracy.
@The_Myth was the one who suggested that this was the proper thread for this conversation.
lol…
I literally was about to refute that saying “No bro that’s wrong” until I realized that the only branch of philosophy that science doesn’t cover are ethics and political philosophy. Silly me. XD
Existentialism may be another one but I do not know what the heck that is.
Yes, I’m aware how silly my beliefs seem to many people. But not too much, because just a little bit of digging will net you information that really does make a case for creationism.
EDIT: Just to add, I wanna say thanks. lol. I am happy, as a matter of fact. And I like it when people see it too.
I don’t know what to think about with dinosaurs. I gotta look that up.
And… I know this might sound hilarious to some of you but… Lee Haney is a Christian isn’t he? I once saw an advertisement somewhere that states Lee Haney is “a man of God”.
Here’s a basic syllogism for it…
If smart people think God exists, God exists. Lee Haney is smart and thinks God exists. Therefore, God exists.
lol. That’s basic logic for ya!
If it’s cloudy outside, I am going to win the lottery. It is cloudy outside, so I am going to win the lottery.
Statements can be logically consistent while still arriving at untrue conclusions. Things being logical doesn’t make them true, and things being true doesn’t make them logical.
Faith is a gift you say?
Umm… I was an atheist in my middle-school years in a Catholic school. And I was VOCAL about my atheism.
I eventually gave my life to Christ. If this is an argument on whether faith is nature or nurture, I very much like to side with nurture.
Also, I think the reason you said what you said is because you’re probably old-school with your Judaism. Christ shared meals with social outcasts and religious renegades, blatantly saying that EVERYONE can attain salvation, Jew and Gentile alike.
Is it really part of Jewish doctrine to say that people were BORN to be saved? I didn’t realize modern Judaism STILL holds that belief.
I was the same when my parents forced me to go to church with a very persistent preacher.
Now, I don’t care if there is a god or not- there’s some pretty incredible wisdom in every religion, not to mention some seriously good stories
I am not sure I understand your post; it has too many Nazarene concepts with which I am unclear.
The Jewish position on whether people have a place in the world-to-come is that basically everyone has a place, excepting those who specifically reject HaShem by their actions. So, probably Pharaoh, Haman, and Hitler.
Having faith is having faith. Certainly relevant to having a place in the world-to-come, but I am not sure it is essential. “Being Saved” is just not a Jewish concept. We’re mainly about not being dicks to people here on Earth.
What comes after will come.
See, this is the basis of my vaguely Judaeo-Christian belief set. As “woo” as I really need to get.
[quote=“Jewbacca, post:493, topic:241568, full:true”]We’re mainly about not being dicks to people here on Earth.
What comes after will come.
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Here here, good chap! Cheers to that.
If I remember correctly, your mother’s mother was Jewish, which makes you a Jewess, whether you care to be or not.
Strictly speaking of Jesus, not believing in his divinity is completely rejecting his message. It is only slander or defamation if he truly is who he claims to be.
He did say: “I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.”
Not a particularly inclusive religion. None of the Abrahamic faiths are.
Yoagananda Paramahansa has a take on this that I find quite interesting.
Is that a real name or just what some white dude with a man-bun from New Jersey calls himself?
