[quote]Sloth wrote:
Bottom line, Catholic associations can not and will not provide this coverage. How much force will you use. Will you fine soup kitchens, hospitals, and battered women’s shelters? Throw Bishops in jail? Will the government take the Church into a sort of guardianship, rewrite it’s docrtine, dogma, teaching, and filling it’s positions before signing off it’s return to a quasi-private status? How far will you go? [/quote]
I know how far we’re willing to go. You folks ready to go that far? You ready to replace our services? To fine and jail us?
[quote]Makavali wrote:If you knew there was no God, would you be a murderer and/or rapist?
Tsk tsk. Still no answer.[/quote]If you knew you didn’t exist would you be a murderer and/or rapist? Tsk tsk. Still no answer. [/quote]
If I knew I didn’t exist, I think I definitely would try the murdering thing. It would have to be someone who instilled enough negative emotion to murder- so probably a pedophile. Yes, if I knew I didn’t exist, I would be a Boondock Saint.
[quote]Makavali wrote:If you knew there was no God, would you be a murderer and/or rapist?
Tsk tsk. Still no answer.[/quote]If you knew you didn’t exist would you be a murderer and/or rapist? Tsk tsk. Still no answer. [/quote]If I knew I didn’t exist, I think I definitely would try the murdering thing. It would have to be someone who instilled enough negative emotion to murder- so probably a pedophile. Yes, if I knew I didn’t exist, I would be a Boondock Saint.[/quote][quote]Oleena wrote:<<< I am so confused.[/quote]Indeed =] , but that’s better than it looks like I’ll get from him despite his demands on Sloth. I’ll give ya some credit, even if your tongue is still in yer cheek. BTW. What do you have against pedophilia? At least they usually leave their child victims alive, unlike you.
[quote]Sloth wrote:
Bottom line, Catholic associations can not and will not provide this coverage. How much force will you use. Will you fine soup kitchens, hospitals, and battered women’s shelters? Throw Bishops in jail? Will the government take the Church into a sort of guardianship, rewrite it’s docrtine, dogma, teaching, and filling it’s positions before signing off it’s return to a quasi-private status? How far will you go? [/quote]
What exactly makes providing this coverage so un-catholic?[/quote]
Contraception and abortifacients. The Church maintains it’s sinfulness. Can not have any part of it’s provision.
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I’m having a hard time distinguishing money and insurance, at least for this particular issue.
Insurance may or may not be used for sinful things. Money which the church also provides its employees can purchase the same things and with even less paper work.
[quote]sufiandy wrote:<<< I’m having a hard time distinguishing money and insurance, at least for this particular issue.
Insurance may or may not be used for sinful things. Money which the church also provides its employees can purchase the same things and with even less paper work.[/quote]You can’t even be serious with this one. Because the provision for the offending actions and articles are explicitly written into the policy. Not so with money which is universally efficacious and required for basic survival by everyone. If the paycheck had a coupon for planned parenthood printed on the back then maybe your point would stand.
[quote]Makavali wrote:If you knew there was no God, would you be a murderer and/or rapist?
Tsk tsk. Still no answer.[/quote]If you knew you didn’t exist would you be a murderer and/or rapist? Tsk tsk. Still no answer. [/quote]
[quote]Sloth wrote:
Bottom line, Catholic associations can not and will not provide this coverage. How much force will you use. Will you fine soup kitchens, hospitals, and battered women’s shelters? Throw Bishops in jail? Will the government take the Church into a sort of guardianship, rewrite it’s docrtine, dogma, teaching, and filling it’s positions before signing off it’s return to a quasi-private status? How far will you go? [/quote]
You always make it sound like the Catholic Church is the ONLY entity providing these things. I’m sure, if the Catholic Church ceased to exist after today, there would still be soup kitchens, homeless shelters, battered women shelters, etc.
[quote]Sloth wrote:
Bottom line, Catholic associations can not and will not provide this coverage. How much force will you use. Will you fine soup kitchens, hospitals, and battered women’s shelters? Throw Bishops in jail? Will the government take the Church into a sort of guardianship, rewrite it’s docrtine, dogma, teaching, and filling it’s positions before signing off it’s return to a quasi-private status? How far will you go? [/quote]
You always make it sound like the Catholic Church is the ONLY entity providing these things. I’m sure, if the Catholic Church ceased to exist after today, there would still be soup kitchens, homeless shelters, battered women shelters, etc.[/quote]
[quote]Sloth wrote:
Bottom line, Catholic associations can not and will not provide this coverage. How much force will you use. Will you fine soup kitchens, hospitals, and battered women’s shelters? Throw Bishops in jail? Will the government take the Church into a sort of guardianship, rewrite it’s docrtine, dogma, teaching, and filling it’s positions before signing off it’s return to a quasi-private status? How far will you go? [/quote]
You always make it sound like the Catholic Church is the ONLY entity providing these things. I’m sure, if the Catholic Church ceased to exist after today, there would still be soup kitchens, homeless shelters, battered women shelters, etc.[/quote]
How far are you willing to go?[/quote]
For what? The Catholic Church isn’t the be all-end all for good works. Get over yourselves.
[quote]Sloth wrote:
Bottom line, Catholic associations can not and will not provide this coverage. How much force will you use. Will you fine soup kitchens, hospitals, and battered women’s shelters? Throw Bishops in jail? Will the government take the Church into a sort of guardianship, rewrite it’s docrtine, dogma, teaching, and filling it’s positions before signing off it’s return to a quasi-private status? How far will you go? [/quote]
You always make it sound like the Catholic Church is the ONLY entity providing these things. I’m sure, if the Catholic Church ceased to exist after today, there would still be soup kitchens, homeless shelters, battered women shelters, etc.[/quote]
How far are you willing to go?[/quote]
For what? The Catholic Church isn’t the be all-end all for good works. Get over yourselves.
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[quote]Sloth wrote:
Bottom line, Catholic associations can not and will not provide this coverage. How much force will you use. Will you fine soup kitchens, hospitals, and battered women’s shelters? Throw Bishops in jail? Will the government take the Church into a sort of guardianship, rewrite it’s docrtine, dogma, teaching, and filling it’s positions before signing off it’s return to a quasi-private status? How far will you go? [/quote]
You always make it sound like the Catholic Church is the ONLY entity providing these things. I’m sure, if the Catholic Church ceased to exist after today, there would still be soup kitchens, homeless shelters, battered women shelters, etc.[/quote]
How far are you willing to go?[/quote]
For what? The Catholic Church isn’t the be all-end all for good works. Get over yourselves.
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Fine? Jail? Loss of services?[/quote]
Loss of tax exempt status (although that goes for all religious groups), and fines/jail if they deny coverage to those who are paid as employees and not just volunteers.
Loss of tax exempt status (although that goes for all religious groups), and fines/jail if they deny coverage to those who are paid as employees and not just volunteers.[/quote]
Loss of tax exempt status (although that goes for all religious groups), and fines/jail if they deny coverage to those who are paid as employees and not just volunteers.[/quote]
Ladies and gentlemen, tyranny. [/quote]
Go on, explain how it’s tyranny. In the context of what I said.
Loss of tax exempt status (although that goes for all religious groups), and fines/jail if they deny coverage to those who are paid as employees and not just volunteers.[/quote]
Ladies and gentlemen, tyranny. [/quote]
Go on, explain how it’s tyranny. In the context of what I said.
Without dodging this time please.[/quote]
You’d charge us, fine us, and jail us for practicing our religion.