Women's Fight to Vote Tied to Declining SMV

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[quote]LoRez wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]DBCooper wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:
Also, the blowjob is a lost art form.

I hereby revoke the right of all women to complain about lousy sex until at least 3 out of ten have mastered it.

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How do you ever get laid, given all the time you spend on this site and the shit you read that allegedly informs your opinions on here?[/quote]

I lay a trail of fluffy kittens and wait until the inevitable bedable female falls right into my moms basement through my ingenious trapdoor system. [/quote]

Are the kittens still alive?[/quote]

You could do it either way, but if you want a halfway sane woman I would recommend it.

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[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]DBCooper wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:
Also, the blowjob is a lost art form.

I hereby revoke the right of all women to complain about lousy sex until at least 3 out of ten have mastered it.

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How do you ever get laid, given all the time you spend on this site and the shit you read that allegedly informs your opinions on here?[/quote]

I lay a trail of fluffy kittens and wait until the inevitable bedable female falls right into my moms basement through my ingenious trapdoor system.

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I can tell you from personal experience that you’ll have much better success with a trail of cotton-tailed rabbits.

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[quote]LoRez wrote:

[quote]harrypotter wrote:
Its entertainment retail, the company is nationwide and people dont like staying in certain places too long or they are moved.

I am 28, I am not a mysygonist, how could I hate women when my mother has helped me a shitload over my life? There are plenty of women I have liked and enjoyed the company of but my experiences in my past job have compounded one thing.

I do not tolerate women who think they can get away with shit or use the power of their body to get shit.

The perfect example of one boss I had was the one who got her manager job via sucking off another manager. Just how the fuck do you try and get your head around that when she gets away with it.

The male boss above her who I had known for 5 years hated her and he knew what she did but what can you do?

This same boss comes into work pissed off her head, hangover from the night before and stays in the office the entirety of her shift, refusing to come down to assist in the running of the business.

I don’t know why I didn’t tell my boss about this but she did it twice. Not only was she drink driving, she didn’t do her job.

A girl who joined recently came into work hungover with only 2 hours sleep and said she couldn’t work the tills because she was knackered. She was friends with the bosses and they knew she got pissed the night before.

What do they do? They put her on an easy area and ask a guy (me) to cover two areas. The fuck?

I had worked there for years and I did something not as bad as that and I got a disciplinary.

That is what pisses me off about a lot of women, to quote Bill Burr, “They come at’cha like fucking robots and keep coming”.
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I actually do see where you’re coming from here. It really isn’t fair. But I think you’re going about it the wrong way.

The thing that stands out most from your post is that you just haven’t learned how to play the politics game. I know you’re probably thinking “but I shouldn’t have to, it just shouldn’t be like that”. And you’re probably right that it shouldn’t be that way… but reality is rarely ever how it “should” be. You don’t want to keep getting the short end of the stick? Learn to play the politics.

Based on what you’ve described, probably your best move is to figure out how to get yourself promoted to an equal level of one of your female bosses. Barring that, figure out how to get on the right side of these women (subtle flattery is a pretty standard way to start), and learn how to cater to their own ambitions and desires. You can do that without crossing into sexual harassment territory. If you befriend her, joke with her, hang out with her (and some other coworkers) after work, you’re much less likely to get screwed over from the deal.

On the other hand, if one of them ever comes in trashed and unable to do their job… you can approach and offer your help, provided you do it in a way that says that you want to learn how to do it (and that you’re considering moving into management). Just don’t let her have the idea that she can use you.

Or, I mean, you can continue to feel shafted and complain on here. Up to you.[/quote]

Sorry, but I am not the type to get all cushy with women in a job that I had no interest in.

I could have been a high level manager in that company if I took the steps to become a manager but I cant stand retail, the environment and the majority of its employees.

I can bitch about it which I have done but I have also moved on, learned and doing something that will get me places.

The construction industry has plenty of benefits, most noticeably a lower number of potential annoying women.

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[quote]Cortes wrote:

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To clarify a little, I often see what I feel is overcompensation by women who appear to feel they need to “prove” that they can be everything that a man can be, and more. I see example after example of this, mostly in the media, but a lot on this site, too. And while it’s a great thing that women are more and more able to enjoy the rights they have been unfairly deprived of throughout basically all of human history, all too often any comparison with men in which women are viewed as not measuring up to some standard is misinterpreted as disenfranchisement. I know that my wife is a FAR better nurturer and has miles more patience than I do when one of our sons is whining or crying. By the same token, there are times when the boys NEED to be disciplined, or when one of us needs to take an aggressive leadership role in our business that requires giving orders or reprimanding an employee. She absolutely despises being put in the position to do any of these. And I’m just no good when the kids are acting up out of tiredness or frustration.

In general, there are things that women are better at, and things that men are better at, and families and societies whose members basically adhere to these roles are typically happier and more satisfied with their lives. Hell, just the fact that these arguments tend to be so evenly divided down gender lines should be a good indicator that there is something to the idea. I had a really good discussion about this with TBG back when SAMA and he were still around. I think you participated in it. The one about femininity and masculinity. [/quote]

First of all, you have absolutely NO evidence to back up your assertion that families and societies whose members adhere to certain gender roles are typically happier with their lives. Secondly, even if that IS the case, there is nothing to suggest that there is any correlation whatsoever between gender role and “happiness factor”.

You would be shocked to find that most countries with a high level of satisfaction regarding their lives are severely underdeveloped. In underdeveloped countries gender roles are far less delineated between the sexes than they are in industrialized nations. Most underdeveloped nations are such because of a huge emphasis on agriculture-based economies (Vietnam, Costa Rica and Colombia are the top three countries according to the New Economic Foundation’s Happy Planet Index [HPI]) in which there is a single crop that makes up most of the production. In the three countries I named coffee is a huge part of the economy.

Well, in agricultural economies such as these, women and men work alongside each other and with much less distinction between the role of a man and woman than in the U.S or Western Europe. There aren’t nearly the amount of “gender-specific” industries in third-world countries because there aren’t nearly as many industries in general.

Also, men and women are NOT more or less-inclined toward authority or nurture or anything like that as a matter of genetics or sex or whatever. Those differences ONLY exist as a social construct. The fact is that many women do not exhibit the same ability to lead groups and all that shit that men do because they haven’t typically been placed in those roles to the same extent that men are.

Unfortunately, many women simply buy into the attitude that there are certain things men do better than women and all that, so the false impression that women and men do certain things better than each other self-perpetuates itself.

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DB,

you need to explain why female happiness has fallen so much since the 70’s when female opportunity has exploded and women the number has traditional roles has eroded.

http://isites.harvard.edu/fs/docs/icb.topic457678.files//WomensHappiness.pdf

It encompasses 35 years. So no not just the current downturn in the economy.

More evidence: modern couples who equally share housework have high rates of divorce:

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[quote]harrypotter wrote:
I can bitch about it which I have done but I have also moved on, learned and doing something that will get me places.

The construction industry has plenty of benefits, most noticeably a lower number of potential annoying women.[/quote]

Oh, I thought you were still there. My bad.

In that case, carry on.

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Study: Women Who Make More Decisions Have Less Sex

"Not only were these women having less sex, but ?the findings showed more dominant and assertive women had approximately 100 times less sex.?

Not surprising really - less assertive (typically submissive and feminine) women have more sex than assertive manly women who rule their men.

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“Research indicates that the endorsement of sexist ideology is linked to higher subjective wellbeing for BOTH men and women. We examine gender differences in the rationalisations which drive this effect in an egalitarian nation (New Zealand). Results from a nationally representative sample (N = 6,100) indicated that the endorsement of Benevolent Sexism (BS) predicted life satisfaction through different mechanisms for men and women. For men, BS was directly associated with life satisfaction. For women, the palliative effect of BS was indirect and occurred because BS-ideology positioning women as deserving of men?s adoration and protection was linked to general perceptions of gender relations as fair and equitable, which in turn predicted greater levels of life satisfaction.”

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[quote]therajraj wrote:

Study: Women Who Make More Decisions Have Less Sex

"Not only were these women having less sex, but ?the findings showed more dominant and assertive women had approximately 100 times less sex.?

Not surprising really - less assertive (typically submissive and feminine) women have more sex than assertive manly women who rule their men. [/quote]

But do they wish they had more sex?

Because I could see this hypothetical case where in the relationship men want to have sex all the time, and women only want to have sex rarely…

In which case, if the man is dominant, they’ll have more sex. If the woman is dominant, they’ll have less sex. Just talking about cases where she’s really not that interested but does it anyway.

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[quote]therajraj wrote:
DB,

you need to explain why female happiness has fallen so much since the 70’s when female opportunity has exploded and women the number has traditional roles has eroded.

http://isites.harvard.edu/fs/docs/icb.topic457678.files//WomensHappiness.pdf

It encompasses 35 years. So no not just the current downturn in the economy.

More evidence: modern couples who equally share housework have high rates of divorce:

Couples who share the housework are more likely to divorce, study finds [/quote]
I think the cause is not related to women’s rights or anything like that. I think it has much more to do with what people need to feel happy. As women earn more rights in the workplace and all that shit, they naturally start earning more money.

I think what happens is that, as women earn more money, they become more materialistic and it takes more and more possessions and that sort of thing to be happy. The same applies to men.

I would argue that THAT is why, according to the HPI, the top 35 or so countries are all severely underdeveloped. Money does not imply happiness at all, and it may even lead to the opposite. Norway, which has arguably the highest standard of living in the world, is the highest-ranked country on that list (2012) and they rank #29th. For the year 2009, the U.S. ranked 114th out of 143. In 2006, prior to our economy practically collapsing, we were ranked 150th out of 178 countries.

That is a very telling statistic.

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[quote]pushharder wrote:

[quote]DBCooper wrote:

…Also, men and women are NOT more or less-inclined toward authority or nurture or anything like that as a matter of genetics or sex or whatever. Those differences ONLY exist as a social construct. The fact is that many women do not exhibit the same ability to lead groups and all that shit that men do because they haven’t typically been placed in those roles to the same extent that men are…

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You know what Push, I like you and all that, but you seriously undermine your credibility in these arguments when you post something like this without explaining yourself as well.

Okay, you think what I wrote is bullshit. Care to explain why? BUT, before you do that, I suggest you familiarize yourself with some regional societies in Europe and the U.S. in which gender roles were completely reversed in terms of the workplace.

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[quote]therajraj wrote:

Study: Women Who Make More Decisions Have Less Sex

"Not only were these women having less sex, but ?the findings showed more dominant and assertive women had approximately 100 times less sex.?

Not surprising really - less assertive (typically submissive and feminine) women have more sex than assertive manly women who rule their men. [/quote]

Do you not read these surveys and studies you’re always posting on here, or what? This particular study is based on 6 African countries, none of which are actually named. Consequentially, we do not know what constitutes a “dominant” woman in these countries since we do not know the socio-economic or political situation there.

Regardless, given that the feminism and women’s rights and all that shit that we’re discussing here is in terms of Western culture, which is FAR different than ANY African country outside of South Africa, the study is completely irrelevant to this discussion.

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[quote]LoRez wrote:

[quote]therajraj wrote:

Study: Women Who Make More Decisions Have Less Sex

"Not only were these women having less sex, but ?the findings showed more dominant and assertive women had approximately 100 times less sex.?

Not surprising really - less assertive (typically submissive and feminine) women have more sex than assertive manly women who rule their men. [/quote]

But do they wish they had more sex?

Because I could see this hypothetical case where in the relationship men want to have sex all the time, and women only want to have sex rarely…

In which case, if the man is dominant, they’ll have more sex. If the woman is dominant, they’ll have less sex. Just talking about cases where she’s really not that interested but does it anyway.[/quote]

The answer is no, if she dominates him he does not make her fanny tingle.

The second part is, if she knows in advance that she is not that into sex while he is, duh, she either has to understand when he gets it somewhere else or she tricked him into getting what she wants while caring fuck all what he thinks about it, which would be an excellent reason to jump on your pitch black stallion and get the fuck out of Dodge.

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[quote]DBCooper wrote:

Also, men and women are NOT more or less-inclined toward authority or nurture or anything like that as a matter of genetics or sex or whatever. Those differences ONLY exist as a social construct. The fact is that many women do not exhibit the same ability to lead groups and all that shit that men do because they haven’t typically been placed in those roles to the same extent that men are.

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You think like a woman.

Seriously.

If you are insulted you are sexist -----> double bind, yayyyy

“havent been placed in those roles”?

Fo realz?

You think leaders “are placed in roles”?

Ya, but they place themselves-

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[quote]LoRez wrote:

[quote]therajraj wrote:

Study: Women Who Make More Decisions Have Less Sex

"Not only were these women having less sex, but ?the findings showed more dominant and assertive women had approximately 100 times less sex.?

Not surprising really - less assertive (typically submissive and feminine) women have more sex than assertive manly women who rule their men. [/quote]

But do they wish they had more sex?

Because I could see this hypothetical case where in the relationship men want to have sex all the time, and women only want to have sex rarely…

In which case, if the man is dominant, they’ll have more sex. If the woman is dominant, they’ll have less sex. Just talking about cases where she’s really not that interested but does it anyway.[/quote]

Possible also that in female dominant relationships the men don’t want as much sex. Lower test levels or something. Doesn’t necessarily mean the women are using their greater power to refuse. Most of the dominant-type women I know seem very sexual. Man-like, even. Not so the passive, indecisive men they tend to attract.

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[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]LoRez wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]DBCooper wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:
Also, the blowjob is a lost art form.

I hereby revoke the right of all women to complain about lousy sex until at least 3 out of ten have mastered it.

[/quote]

How do you ever get laid, given all the time you spend on this site and the shit you read that allegedly informs your opinions on here?[/quote]

I lay a trail of fluffy kittens and wait until the inevitable bedable female falls right into my moms basement through my ingenious trapdoor system. [/quote]

Are the kittens still alive?[/quote]

You could do it either way, but if you want a halfway sane woman I would recommend it. [/quote]

Okay, this was funny. I laughed.

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[quote]DBCooper wrote:

[quote]therajraj wrote:
DB,

you need to explain why female happiness has fallen so much since the 70’s when female opportunity has exploded and women the number has traditional roles has eroded.

http://isites.harvard.edu/fs/docs/icb.topic457678.files//WomensHappiness.pdf

It encompasses 35 years. So no not just the current downturn in the economy.

More evidence: modern couples who equally share housework have high rates of divorce:

Couples who share the housework are more likely to divorce, study finds [/quote]
I think the cause is not related to women’s rights or anything like that. I think it has much more to do with what people need to feel happy. As women earn more rights in the workplace and all that shit, they naturally start earning more money.

I think what happens is that, as women earn more money, they become more materialistic and it takes more and more possessions and that sort of thing to be happy. The same applies to men.

I would argue that THAT is why, according to the HPI, the top 35 or so countries are all severely underdeveloped. Money does not imply happiness at all, and it may even lead to the opposite. Norway, which has arguably the highest standard of living in the world, is the highest-ranked country on that list (2012) and they rank #29th. For the year 2009, the U.S. ranked 114th out of 143. In 2006, prior to our economy practically collapsing, we were ranked 150th out of 178 countries.

That is a very telling statistic.[/quote]

Nope!

"84% of working women told ForbesWoman and TheBump that staying home to raise children is a financial luxury they aspire to.

Whatâ??s more, more than one in three resent their partner for not earning enough to make that dream a reality."

Even if the above did not exist, you’re hypothesis is still wrong because if it were true we should see a convergence of male and female happiness but that’s not the case at all, see graph.

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[quote]DBCooper wrote:

[quote]therajraj wrote:

Study: Women Who Make More Decisions Have Less Sex

"Not only were these women having less sex, but ?the findings showed more dominant and assertive women had approximately 100 times less sex.?

Not surprising really - less assertive (typically submissive and feminine) women have more sex than assertive manly women who rule their men. [/quote]

Do you not read these surveys and studies you’re always posting on here, or what? This particular study is based on 6 African countries, none of which are actually named. Consequentially, we do not know what constitutes a “dominant” woman in these countries since we do not know the socio-economic or political situation there.

Regardless, given that the feminism and women’s rights and all that shit that we’re discussing here is in terms of Western culture, which is FAR different than ANY African country outside of South Africa, the study is completely irrelevant to this discussion.[/quote]

I did, and based on the type of guys who date/marry feminist women I believe it to be true.

I think your criticism is valid however.