[quote]Westclock wrote:
My future wife and daughter are both going to be the proud recipients of a .38 snub nose with the hammer sawed off.
In all honesty your guy would probably prefer to escort you everywhere, but that just isn’t realistic.
Might as well get them a gun.[/quote]
Make sure you teach them how to use it and clean it. It’s not just common sense, and it takes practice.
[quote]streamline wrote:
I would never recommend that anyone try to stand and fight an attacker. Disable them, know your surrounding. What weapons are available. Disable does not mean hit and run. It means take the fucker out, you have to think in absolutes in these situations.
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Absolutely.
[quote]hedo wrote:
pch2,
I’ll respectfully disagree with the first portion of your response. One must prevail in order to survive. Surviving depends on the good will of the attacker to break off his assault when no clear outcome is apparent. Prevailing in the confrontation makes it the victims choice when to end it should they choose to prevail.
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I think we’re just interpreting words differently, which may have been what I did with Push’s initial post. I took prevail to mean, stay and do unto him as he intended to do to you, and survive mean to not get killed/extract yourself from the situation.
[quote]pch2 wrote:
hedo wrote:
pch2,
I’ll respectfully disagree with the first portion of your response. One must prevail in order to survive. Surviving depends on the good will of the attacker to break off his assault when no clear outcome is apparent. Prevailing in the confrontation makes it the victims choice when to end it should they choose to prevail.
I think we’re just interpreting words differently, which may have been what I did with Push’s initial post. I took prevail to mean, stay and do unto him as he intended to do to you, and survive mean to not get killed/extract yourself from the situation. [/quote]
Agreed pch. Good guy (gal) wins…bad guy loses is our common agreement!
Whenever I walk behind a woman at night (leaving the gym usually), I can’t help but think, that they’re thinking “oh crap, someone is following me”.
I like to walk faster than most people, so that only makes it worse. I usually just slow down enough so that they’re going faster. Silly I know.
I just thought I’d make a cultural comparison that’s neither here nor there. Several men are suggesting guns. I think that underscores one of the fundamental differences between Canada and the U.S. I would be stunned if anyone here suggested that. It wouldn’t even be a consideration.
MsM, perhaps it’s different in your neck of the woods. What’s your take on it?
This isn’t a judgement. It’s an observation.
[quote]Westclock wrote:
My future wife and daughter are both going to be the proud recipients of a .38 snub nose with the hammer sawed off.[/quote]
You know, Smith & Wesson makes hammerless 38 snubbies?
Ok so you are going to take a weak small scared person in a bad situation and then think that you are making things safer for her by throwing a gun into the mix.
She has already (by your own admission) pulled her gun on several occasions without cause. Think about the fact that next time she pulls that gun she may accidentally pull the trigger. Think about the fact that it could be you, a friend or a family member standing in front of that gun when the trigger is pulled, then think about whether it is a good idea…
[quote]debraD wrote:
This is something that’s been getting on my nerves lately: the ridiculous fear of women getting attacked.
I rarely drive anywhere and so I end up walking alone in the dark quite frequently, in the morning on my way to work it is dark and its dark when I leave at night. It’s dark when I run in the morning, hell, it’s dark most of the time because it’s WINTER.
But this is apparently quite irresponsible, so much so that everyone and their dog must offer me a ride home, lecture me on personal safety moan and groan about the bad men hiding in the bushes and tell me I’m CRAZY for stepping outside unchaperoned.
A short while ago I was on my way to work, waiting for the light to change at an intersection downtown, and a woman standing next to me says “Oh my, all these men…It’s just not safe to be a woman alone!!!” WHAT??? I looked around me and there were some city workers across the street and a few guys here and there going about there business getting coffee and getting to work. Yes, very scary indeed. That dude with the briefcase is clearly about to attack.
A couple of weeks ago a co-worker was discussing his wife getting a job offer downtown. She declined the job because it required her to be downtown between 6 and 7 am and she felt it just wasn’t safe. WTF??? He agreed with her and felt this was a fine reason for her to turn down a good paying job and stay on the fucking couch. Another co-worker (woman) also agreed and said she wouldn’t do that either.
Am I crazy??? Is this not over the top ridiculous?[/quote]
Late to the thread, sorry. I understand and appreciate where you’re coming from, but I’m the type of guy that will ask if I can walk you to your car at night. I realize you’re a grown woman and can do so on your own, but I’m just plain protective like that. I’d never want to hear that any of my friends or coworkers were attacked at night. Been there, done that, so that is where my protective-ness comes from. Now, if you refuse, then I won’t push myself on you. I simply care for my people’s safety. Simple as that.
[quote]pushharder wrote:
Cockney Blue wrote:
Ok so you are going to take a weak small scared person in a bad situation and then think that you are making things safer for her by throwing a gun into the mix.
Absolutely.
She has already (by your own admission) pulled her gun on several occasions without cause. Think about the fact that next time she pulls that gun she may accidentally pull the trigger. Think about the fact that it could be you, a friend or a family member standing in front of that gun when the trigger is pulled, then think about whether it is a good idea…
She has never pulled the gun without cause. Do not be a stupid fucker and insinuate that based on a flawed philosophical disagreement with me on the reasonableness of weapons carry.
A weak, small person becomes a strong scared person who actually has the ability to defend their life against really bad people in a really bad situation.
Think before you type; even though this is an anonymous internet forum you should still strive to show deductive and reasoning capabilities. And if you really do live in Mexico and disagree with me that women are better empowered in other ways in this regard, then you are a fool and you don’t read your newspaper.[/quote]
I had a friend back in the day. He weighted all of 123 lbs at five foot fuck all. He was 280 lbs and 6’3" with that 38 special in his hand.
Pulling a gun out when you think you need it and being wrong. Is far better than NOT pulling it out and needing it.
[quote]Cockney Blue wrote:
Ok so you are going to take a weak small scared person in a bad situation and then think that you are making things safer for her by throwing a gun into the mix.
She has already (by your own admission) pulled her gun on several occasions without cause. Think about the fact that next time she pulls that gun she may accidentally pull the trigger. Think about the fact that it could be you, a friend or a family member standing in front of that gun when the trigger is pulled, then think about whether it is a good idea…[/quote]
I’ve pulled a gun in a situation where it turned out not to be needed. I still believe I handled what could have been a dangerous situation very responsibly and thoughtfully. I was not in throes of panic and not close to “accidentally” doing anything.
It is the responsibility of any gun owner to mentally equip themselves to be levelheaded in situations where it is needed. It is very possible to be scared yet think clearly and rationally about your own potential danger and how to protect yourself. I’m more than sure that Push’s wife is capable of doing so. I hope that you do not own a gun because you don’t seem to have any concept of this.
If I had cowered in a closet when I heard someone in my house in the middle of the night would you say that was smarter?
[quote]streamline wrote:
pushharder wrote:
Cockney Blue wrote:
Ok so you are going to take a weak small scared person in a bad situation and then think that you are making things safer for her by throwing a gun into the mix.
Absolutely.
She has already (by your own admission) pulled her gun on several occasions without cause. Think about the fact that next time she pulls that gun she may accidentally pull the trigger. Think about the fact that it could be you, a friend or a family member standing in front of that gun when the trigger is pulled, then think about whether it is a good idea…
She has never pulled the gun without cause. Do not be a stupid fucker and insinuate that based on a flawed philosophical disagreement with me on the reasonableness of weapons carry.
A weak, small person becomes a strong scared person who actually has the ability to defend their life against really bad people in a really bad situation.
Think before you type; even though this is an anonymous internet forum you should still strive to show deductive and reasoning capabilities. And if you really do live in Mexico and disagree with me that women are better empowered in other ways in this regard, then you are a fool and you don’t read your newspaper.
I had a friend back in the day. He weighted all of 123 lbs at five foot fuck all. He was 280 lbs and 6’3" with that 38 special in his hand.
Pulling a gun out when you think you need it and being wrong. Is far better than NOT pulling it out and needing it.[/quote]
So if a sheep acts more “sheep like” the wolf will not attack him out of the goodness of his heart?
With all due respect that’s against the nature of man and predators in general. A poor game plan for the survival of the victiim.
A gun, in the proper hands, can deter and end a violent confrontation. Your friend sounds like he has no business carrying a weapon. Those who are more responsible shouldn’t have to be at a disadvantage because of his shortcomings.
[quote]pushharder wrote:
She has never pulled the gun without cause. Do not be a stupid fucker and insinuate that based on a flawed philosophical disagreement with me on the reasonableness of weapons carry.
A weak, small person becomes a strong scared person who actually has the ability to defend their life against really bad people in a really bad situation.
Think before you type; even though this is an anonymous internet forum you should still strive to show deductive and reasoning capabilities. And if you really do live in Mexico and disagree with me that women are better empowered in other ways in this regard, then you are a fool and you don’t read your newspaper.[/quote]
Maybe you are missinterpreting what I meant by without cause, you stated that she had pulled the gun at times that were a false alarm. This means that the person in front of her was at risk of being shot for no good reason. That is an example of deductive and reasoning.
Why would I lie about living in Mexico? I have been here 3 years and other than some shoot outs between the police and Narcos I actually for the most part feel safer here than I did in the UK (I have had guns pulled on me whilst doing barwork in Manchester for instance.)
Maybe you should actually try reading a bit further than the sensationalist headlines to understand that the risk of being violently attacked in the US, Mexico or the UK is tiny.
You take a far greater risk getting in your car each day. Money and time spent on buying and training with a gun would be better served taking a defensive driving course and spending some time on a skid pan if it really is safety you are worried about however I can’t escape the feeling that a lot of people in the US just have a hardon for having a gun.
In theory I have no problem with that however I can’t help thinking that those guns would be better off being kept locked up in a gun club between usages than in someones purse.
Apparently Meesus Push felt that she was in danger & so she took the precaution of being prepared to protect herself should she be proven correct. This is not “pulling a gun without cause”. This is damn smart.
I’ve done the same thing. A guy was trying to break into my house & my polite request that he get the fuck out of there probably would not have inspired him to leave had I not had a gun pointed right at his heart.
I don’t know what Meesus Push’s situation was, but she doesn’t strike me as someone to go blowing people away just because she heard something go bump in the night.
hey, I meant no offence to Meesus Push, I just personally find it hard to understand why a proportion of US citizens feel that their risk of being attacked is so high that they need to carry guns.
I guess in a way it is a conditioned thing, and if I had been brought up in the US I might well feel different.
I certainly notice a real difference in the way that ideas are presented through the US media to how they are presented in Blighty or even here in Mexico.
Interestingly (for me at least) the media in the UK is steadily moving more towards a US style so it is possible that there will be increased pressure for the acceptance of weapons for self defence in the UK (though I doubt it would ever get passed into law.)
[quote]pushharder wrote:
pushharder wrote:
No person was in front of her. She thought there may have been prowlers. I was away at the time.
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So she has so bought into the media image of prowlers on every doorstep that she is grabbing a gun at the first bump in the night? Well, it is your family, pets and friends that are most likely to be in the firing line so I guess it doesn’t really affect me.
I am logical and deductive enough to realise that. I am also logical and deductive enough to realise that the risk of a violent attack needing a gun as defence is so tiny that any time or money spent on that gun would actually be better spent elsewhere. Unfortunately, you do not appear to have the logic and deduction to get understand this.
Ok so now we are going to throw racism and stereotypes into the mix. OK, I have a stereotype for you. Under educated gringo who has watched too many rambo movies and feels that he needs guns around the house to make up for his feelings of insecurity.
For the record, I don’t live in a barrio, but the one where I box is pretty rough.
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Folks like you love to spend time “theorizing”. It is soooo gratifying to do so.
Folks (sheep) like you also can’t help thinking things that just don’t prove out in the real world. Hum your John Lennon “Imagine” lyrics and melody all you want…the wolves are still waiting.[/quote]
I won’t talk about ‘Folks like you’ because I don’t know you. I will however state that I have seen plenty of the real world having lived, worked and travelled in some pretty rough places around the world, spending time with football hooligans, drug dealers, fighters. In that time, I have seen nothing to indicate that either I or my family would be better off or safer if we were carrying guns.
BTW, I was hoping for an intelligent insight into why people in the US feel the need to carry guns when the risk of needing it is so infinitesimally small however if character attack is more your thing then by all means…