Women's Fear of Random Attacks

[quote]Court wrote:
I do agree with you on one thing though, Alffi, those statistics are quite wrong. I believe they are much higher than that because many people/women do not report their rapes/attempted rapes/assaults.

Let’s say I was at a party and got slipped a drug, come in and out of consciousness while a guy is on top of me. I wake up in the morning, not knowing exacly what happened, but knowing something did. I feel it’s my fault for putting myself in that situation and question myself.

Never report it because I’m scared/ashamed/embarrassed. Does that mean it didn’t happen? No. Does that mean my case isn’t in one of those statistics? Yes.[/quote]

QFT.

[quote]masonator wrote:
Vicomte wrote:
SSC wrote:
I can always tell when walking around campus when a girl is suspicious. Apparently logic doesn’t appeal to them - because just maybe my class is in the same direction as hers. Unless some girl is in the middle of Englewood at two o’clock in the morning, it’s all mental.

Ha! I thought I was the only one. They glance back, then lock their head straight ahead and step up the pace a bit; if they’re wearing a skirt, they will suddenly become self-conscious and hold the hem down, like you’re going to try to disrobe them right there. It never occurs to them that you might just be taking a similar route that you’ve used for the past three years. My reaction varies between amusement and annoyed incredulity.

LOL This happens to me pretty often too. [/quote]

what do you guys look like? crazy stalkers? now im not sayin that girls dont avoid me, but they dont pull down there skirts and run for cover! lol

[quote]pushharder wrote:

Women, don’t let some inherent fear of the gun, a tool, and/or some reliance on statistical improbability, cause you the inability to effectively deal with a predator some day. There is just too much “instant power” available to you to level the playing field with this tool.[/quote]

That is a fair and level statement.

However, we should add the caveat that possession of a firearm should be very carefully considered and should not be undertaken with the belief that it provides invincibility. I would worry that it provides some people with this impression leading them to take risks that are foolhardy.

i think more people (be it women or men) whould have less to fear if people in society would look out for there fellow man. instead of just WATCHIN some teenagers beat up an old homeless man, DO SOMETHIN ABOUT IT!
stand up for you fellow man. where my T-MEN AT?!

People can argue statistics all the want. Guns absolutely can save lives, especially the lives of small women who would be nearly defenseless without them.

My mother is 5 feet tall and maybe weighs 100 pounds soaking wet. My father is a long distance truck driver and when they were married he insisted she learn how to shoot because he wanted her to have some form of protection while he was away.

Six years later, when I was three years old my mother noticed that one of our neighbors son’s was driving by the house a little too often. He even parked and leered at us a few times when she was outside playing with me. Everyone told her she was being paranoid, she was an attractive young woman and he was just a typical 19 year old with a crush.

A few months after that started, my dad was away and the guy decided tonight was the night and broke our bathroom window and started to climb in. My mother and I were watching TV in her room and I remember her screaming at me to get under the bed as she pulled the gun out of it’s case and stepped into the bathroom door and emptied it at the window.

He didn’t die, but he took a bullet in the shoulder. My mother didn’t like guns before that but she credits them with saving our lives now.

Of course, maybe she’s just grossly over reacting. Maybe that guy was just going to rape her instead of kill her. Or maybe he was just going to rape me. I don’t know, and I’m pretty thankful that I don’t know that.

[quote]MarvelGirl wrote:
People can argue statistics all the want. Guns absolutely can save lives, especially the lives of small women who would be nearly defenseless without them.

My mother is 5 feet tall and maybe weighs 100 pounds soaking wet. My father is a long distance truck driver and when they were married he insisted she learn how to shoot because he wanted her to have some form of protection while he was away.

Six years later, when I was three years old my mother noticed that one of our neighbors son’s was driving by the house a little too often. He even parked and leered at us a few times when she was outside playing with me. Everyone told her she was being paranoid, she was an attractive young woman and he was just a typical 19 year old with a crush.

A few months after that started, my dad was away and the guy decided tonight was the night and broke our bathroom window and started to climb in. My mother and I were watching TV in her room and I remember her screaming at me to get under the bed as she pulled the gun out of it’s case and stepped into the bathroom door and emptied it at the window.

He didn’t die, but he took a bullet in the shoulder. My mother didn’t like guns before that but she credits them with saving our lives now.

Of course, maybe she’s just grossly over reacting. Maybe that guy was just going to rape her instead of kill her. Or maybe he was just going to rape me. I don’t know, and I’m pretty thankful that I don’t know that.[/quote]

dame! regardless of our views on guns. im glad your mom had one that night too!

A female Officer that I work with (I’m a cop) told me the other day that she was scared to walk to her car when getting off…I politely reminded her that she was a Police Officer, with a Glock 37, taser, oc spray, ASP baton, and a police radio, walking in a pretty safe area. What more does she need to feel safe? Good grief.

[quote]dcamnc wrote:
A female Officer that I work with (I’m a cop) told me the other day that she was scared to walk to her car when getting off…I politely reminded her that she was a Police Officer, with a Glock 37, taser, oc spray, ASP baton, and a police radio, walking in a pretty safe area. What more does she need to feel safe? Good grief.[/quote]

tell her if she walks to the car holding a Glock 37 in each hand,… she should be good.

[quote]dcamnc wrote:
A female Officer that I work with (I’m a cop) told me the other day that she was scared to walk to her car when getting off…I politely reminded her that she was a Police Officer, with a Glock 37, taser, oc spray, ASP baton, and a police radio, walking in a pretty safe area. What more does she need to feel safe? Good grief.[/quote]

Maybe she said it so you would walk her to her car. You know, get alone with you? Just a thought. I’ve tried similar strategies myself.

[quote]dcamnc wrote:
A female Officer that I work with (I’m a cop) told me the other day that she was scared to walk to her car when getting off…I politely reminded her that she was a Police Officer, with a Glock 37, taser, oc spray, ASP baton, and a police radio, walking in a pretty safe area. What more does she need to feel safe? Good grief.[/quote]

A tank equipped with nuclear weapons.

[quote]ouroboro_s wrote:
dcamnc wrote:
A female Officer that I work with (I’m a cop) told me the other day that she was scared to walk to her car when getting off…I politely reminded her that she was a Police Officer, with a Glock 37, taser, oc spray, ASP baton, and a police radio, walking in a pretty safe area. What more does she need to feel safe? Good grief.

Maybe she said it so you would walk her to her car. You know, get alone with you? Just a thought. I’ve tried similar strategies myself.[/quote]

Or mabey she was afraid because she WAS a cop.

A female officer seems to be a likely target for a rape, its a domination thing to begin with, what better target than an officer, someone that should have authority over them.

Also, apparently ouroboro is a sneaky vixen.

[quote]Westclock wrote:

Also, apparently ouroboro is a sneaky vixen.[/quote]

You have to know how to work the eye batting, lip trembling thing. It’s an art you know :slight_smile:

[quote]pushharder wrote:

I understand the point you’re trying to make and in all fairness it is an extension of the British guy’s point.

The point I was trying to drive home is that the gun is the great equalizer for a woman who might encounter a predator in her lifetime. She should not necessarily run out and get one because of paranoia; neither should she scoffingly decide she never has anything to worry about.

It is true that the statistical likelihood of an assault lean toward someone she knows well, most likely an ex boyfriend or husband. All the more reason for her to do what is practical and reasonable to defend herself and in many instances, her children.

None of my comments on this thread need be taken as political advocacy. They are of a practical nature. Throughout history women have suffered disproportionately greater physical harm in confrontations due to the biological differences in the sexes.

Until firearms were invented she was at the mercy of the other sex’s whims when it comes to violence; she really could do nothing about it. The gun changed all that.

It is a tool. One should have many tools in their toolbox; the more you have the more effective you can be at survival. Safe driving is a tool. Eating and exercising is a tool. Good awareness is a tool, etc.

One’s location and circumstances do play an important part in determining which tools a woman should have in her tool box. A single parent living in the southside of Chicago with a violent ex-husband should carefully consider many tools while a woman in a relatively safe environment and social order in New Brunswick may consider other tools in her priority list.

It’s all relative. But in no case should some fit, confident British guy living in Mexico unduly persuade the hypothetical Chicago woman that she really doesn’t have anything to worry about and she should keep her gun locked up at the gun club like they do in jolly ol’ England where home invasion and physical violence against women is sky-rocketing.

Nor should he scoff at the Montana woman, who lives in grizzly country and is home alone from time to time and where the police response time is at best 45 minutes, from grabbing her gun when things go bump in the night.

Women, don’t let some inherent fear of the gun, a tool, and/or some reliance on statistical improbability, cause you the inability to effectively deal with a predator some day. There is just too much “instant power” available to you to level the playing field with this tool.[/quote]

This is a good, compelling post.

I doubt I’ll ever own a gun for a number of reasons, but nonetheless, it was an interesting read.

[quote]EmilyQ wrote:
I doubt I’ll ever own a gun for a number of reasons, but nonetheless, it was an interesting read. [/quote]

Funny, I thought you had one.

It’s not real! You’ve all been terrified of me for no good reason! Haha!

[quote]EmilyQ wrote:
It’s not real! You’ve all been terrified of me for no good reason! Haha![/quote]

Shhhh. Don’t let the cat out of the bag. Even fake ones can be scary.

[quote]EmilyQ wrote:
It’s not real! You’ve all been terrified of me for no good reason! Haha![/quote]

You really shouldn’t have let that slip. Now look at what is going to happen.

[quote]hedo wrote:
My wife travels a lot. I don’t worry about her too much. She also carries a S&W .357 mag. with her at all times and has been trained how to use it.

Common sense and a .357 will end most attacks but mostly it’s the .357.[/quote]

So true and the most sensible thing I’ve seen here so far. In my experience women more then men seem to pay less attention to their surroundings and are easier targets because of this. That’s not taking in account that in most cases they are at a physical size and strength disadvantage to a male.

Even a martial arts trained women caught by surprise would have a rough time with a physically capable male opponent. Gals these days need to learn awareness and some form of self defense. It would be best if they have a few layers of defense available, such as pepper spray, self defense without a gun, and gun training.

Seeing the bad guy first works for everyone and allows you to decide on the correct course of action a lot quicker.