[quote]Cockney Blue wrote:
Studies have been done in the US and the UK where they asked people on the street to estimate crime statistics. The responders gave numbers that were ridiculously higher than the real numbers.
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Not trying to argue with you or play semantics games but crime statistics only include reported crimes. Many of them, violent and sexual crimes against women particularly, go unreported.
MsM, that’s very true and it is one reason why it seems that rape has increased over recent years because in part it is seen as more acceptable to report it than it was 20 years ago.
[quote]Court wrote:
I’ve walked alone through some pretty skeezy areas late at night… Yes, I’m sure I’ve also done the whole ‘look behind me’, pick up my pace, etc. That being said, I can walk towards some guys, be “followed” (aka they are taking the same route) by others and never once question my safety. However, I’ve learned to trust my intuition and if I get that ‘feeling’, I will definitely do my best to get myself into a safer situation.
905Patrick wrote:
I’ve never been a women and I have never been raped, but all the women I know who have been raped wish it hadn’t happened. Many of them blame themselves in some small way for getting into the situation in the first place. Your friends who are playing it safe will likely never have to come to terms with getting raped.
If you can find even one woman who was raped who wished it had happened, I will give you a million dollars.
Just some numbers for you:
1 in 6 women have been victims of rape.
Almost 75% of victims knew their rapist.
That being said, I could take all the precautions I wanted and never EVER walk alone and STILL have to come to terms with being raped. [/quote]
So fuck it! Be as dangerous as possible and throw caution to the wind!
Is that what you are saying?
[quote]MsM wrote:
Cockney Blue wrote:
Studies have been done in the US and the UK where they asked people on the street to estimate crime statistics. The responders gave numbers that were ridiculously higher than the real numbers.
Not trying to argue with you or play semantics games but crime statistics only include reported crimes. Many of them, violent and sexual crimes against women particularly, go unreported. [/quote]
But that doesn’t even matter. Ask people on the street to estimate how many days in July and they will be way off. It doesn’t mean anything.
[quote]Vicomte wrote:
MsM wrote:
Cockney Blue wrote:
Studies have been done in the US and the UK where they asked people on the street to estimate crime statistics. The responders gave numbers that were ridiculously higher than the real numbers.
Not trying to argue with you or play semantics games but crime statistics only include reported crimes. Many of them, violent and sexual crimes against women particularly, go unreported.
But that doesn’t even matter. Ask people on the street to estimate how many days in July and they will be way off. It doesn’t mean anything.[/quote]
My knuckle tells me it’s 31.
Court from Canada on page 1 said that 1 in 6 women are raped. Lots of statistics like this pop up from seemingly reputable organizations,but they are quite wrong.
Then people will go to see a film about evil white male serial killer (who might have been a jew anyway) and will not know about the racial face of crime.
If these “1 in 4” or “1 in 6” or whatever statistics were for real,then we would all know a lot of women who have been raped or assaulted but in most cases we hardly know one.
[quote]Loose Tool wrote:
Westclock wrote:
My future wife and daughter are both going to be the proud recipients of a .38 snub nose with the hammer sawed off.
You know, Smith & Wesson makes hammerless 38 snubbies?
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Oh Im aware.
Both pistols actually belonged to my grandfather.
He was a cop, and he gave them both to me.
I think its more personal to give my future ladies weapons that my grandfather trusted.
Sort of like an heirloom.
[quote]Cockney Blue wrote:
Loose Tool wrote:
Cockney Blue wrote:
When someone thinks that having facts and statistics to back up an argument is a bad thing, it’s probably not worth continuing the discussion.
Murder rates by country:
Mexico (#6) - 0.130213 per 1,000 people
United States (#24) - 0.042802 per 1,000 people
http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cri_mur_percap-crime-murders-per-capita#source
In the words of Dr Szell, “Is it safe?”
And your point is caller? That data is 8 yrs out of date, 4 per 100 thousand is a tiny percentage of a population and that is murder in general. Not murder during home invasion or murder that could have been avoided had the victim been carrying a gun. In fact, a fair few of those murdered people will have been carrying guns.
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S&W 442 (Heller Commemorative Revolver) - $450
NRA Home Safety Course - $100
Speer Gold Dot +P .38 ammo - $20.97
Cost of having a gun at home - $570.97
At what murder rate does the cost of this type of home protection become “reasonable”? Personally, I think $570.97 is a small price to pay for protection for my girlfriend, even at 0.042802 per 1,000.
[quote]Westclock wrote:
Loose Tool wrote:
Westclock wrote:
My future wife and daughter are both going to be the proud recipients of a .38 snub nose with the hammer sawed off.
You know, Smith & Wesson makes hammerless 38 snubbies?
Oh Im aware.
Both pistols actually belonged to my grandfather.
He was a cop, and he gave them both to me.
I think its more personal to give my future ladies weapons that my grandfather trusted.
Sort of like an heirloom. [/quote]
That they are.
It’s been a while since I looked at this thread, and it apparently turned into another gun rights advocacy thread, but I do have a thought to share.
Has anyone else noticed the all the hype and paranoia our media outlets try to stir with the common American person? I think a lot of this mistrust can go back to these kind of things.
I turn on Dateline, and only see episodes about people getting murdered, raped, or beaten. I turn on police dramas and all I see some is people getting murdered, raped, or beaten. If I dare check out an actual news outlet (CNN, MSNBC,) I can pretty much guaran-fucking-tee that there’s some sort of feature story about someone being abducted or missing.
What this culminates to is an irrational fear that people aren’t safe wherever they go. I remember a South Park episode a few years back about child molestation. The news reports on child abduction kept coming closer to home - At first the report said abductors were likely someone the child knew. This resulted in all the parents not trusting each other. Eventually, the report in the episode said it’s more likely for parents to be the abductors. Of course, because it’s South Park, the parents ended up freaking out about that.
The thing is, though, is that the episode wasn’t too farfetched. We tend to stretch things out in this country towards the safe side, which I do again think is directly correlated to the type of information we’re receiving. Think of it the same way as we all get our “general fitness” guidelines.
[quote]ouroboro_s wrote:
I just thought I’d make a cultural comparison that’s neither here nor there. Several men are suggesting guns. I think that underscores one of the fundamental differences between Canada and the U.S. I would be stunned if anyone here suggested that. It wouldn’t even be a consideration.
MsM, perhaps it’s different in your neck of the woods. What’s your take on it?
This isn’t a judgement. It’s an observation.[/quote]
Sorry, ouroboro_s; I replied to this last night but it didn’t post.
It would definitely depend on where you are. When I was in Ontario, the only people I knew that really had guns were the police and criminals (the odd hunter). In New Brunswick, out in the boonies, everyone has guns. You still have to have a permit and register them here. I have found that the more a place tries to restrict gun ownership, the more issues you have with them being stolen/used for crimes. Everyone has them here and it’s no big deal. You don’t really hear people talking about shooting people here. I think they don’t go around shooting people because everyone knows that everyone else has a gun.
I know you aren’t passing judgment; that’s not like you at all. Personally, I am all for responsible gun ownership and would use one, if necessary. When my son was a baby, I did come home (which was in a very nice area in Old South, London) to find two men that had broken into my house, still in my house. Tell me that a gun would not be appropriate in a situation like that?
Women that don’t prepare themselves for random attacks are being very naive because chances are, at one point in their life, they will have to deal with one.
What do you find the differences to be, if any, ouroboro_s?
[quote]Alffi wrote:
Court from Canada on page 1 said that 1 in 6 women are raped. Lots of statistics like this pop up from seemingly reputable organizations,but they are quite wrong.
Then people will go to see a film about evil white male serial killer (who might have been a jew anyway) and will not know about the racial face of crime.
If these “1 in 4” or “1 in 6” or whatever statistics were for real,then we would all know a lot of women who have been raped or assaulted but in most cases we hardly know one. [/quote]
After reading your post, I can tell you that if I knew you, you’d be the last person I’d tell if I were assaulted. There’s the answer to your last paragraph.
[quote]Alffi wrote:
Court from Canada on page 1 said that 1 in 6 women are raped. Lots of statistics like this pop up from seemingly reputable organizations,but they are quite wrong.
Then people will go to see a film about evil white male serial killer (who might have been a jew anyway) and will not know about the racial face of crime.
If these “1 in 4” or “1 in 6” or whatever statistics were for real,then we would all know a lot of women who have been raped or assaulted but in most cases we hardly know one. [/quote]
Do you imagine that the women you know are going to bring it up in casual conversation? You know women who have been raped, I’m sure, you just don’t know about the rape.
I’m not sure what your point regarding race is. Could you clarify, please?
[quote]EmilyQ wrote:
Alffi wrote:
Court from Canada on page 1 said that 1 in 6 women are raped. Lots of statistics like this pop up from seemingly reputable organizations,but they are quite wrong.
Then people will go to see a film about evil white male serial killer (who might have been a jew anyway) and will not know about the racial face of crime.
If these “1 in 4” or “1 in 6” or whatever statistics were for real,then we would all know a lot of women who have been raped or assaulted but in most cases we hardly know one.
Do you imagine that the women you know are going to bring it up in casual conversation? You know women who have been raped, I’m sure, you just don’t know about the rape.
I’m not sure what your point regarding race is. Could you clarify, please? [/quote]
Yep. It’s not like they are going to broadcast it. Or even tell their closest friends.
[quote]EmilyQ wrote:
Alffi wrote:
Court from Canada on page 1 said that 1 in 6 women are raped. Lots of statistics like this pop up from seemingly reputable organizations,but they are quite wrong.
Then people will go to see a film about evil white male serial killer (who might have been a jew anyway) and will not know about the racial face of crime.
If these “1 in 4” or “1 in 6” or whatever statistics were for real,then we would all know a lot of women who have been raped or assaulted but in most cases we hardly know one.
Do you imagine that the women you know are going to bring it up in casual conversation? You know women who have been raped, I’m sure, you just don’t know about the rape.
I’m not sure what your point regarding race is. Could you clarify, please? [/quote]
[quote] MsM wrote:
After reading your post, I can tell you that if I knew you, you’d be the last person I’d tell if I were assaulted. There’s the answer to your last paragraph. [/quote]
Thanks for taking the words out of my mouth, both of you. Just because you don’t know anyone, doesn’t mean they’re not out there. You may not know anyone, but I may know 10 women. That’s how averages work.
I do agree with you on one thing though, Alffi, those statistics are quite wrong. I believe they are much higher than that because many people/women do not report their rapes/attempted rapes/assaults.
Let’s say I was at a party and got slipped a drug, come in and out of consciousness while a guy is on top of me. I wake up in the morning, not knowing exacly what happened, but knowing something did. I feel it’s my fault for putting myself in that situation and question myself.
Never report it because I’m scared/ashamed/embarrassed. Does that mean it didn’t happen? No. Does that mean my case isn’t in one of those statistics? Yes.
[quote]FormerlyTexasGuy wrote:
Court wrote:
I’ve walked alone through some pretty skeezy areas late at night… Yes, I’m sure I’ve also done the whole ‘look behind me’, pick up my pace, etc. That being said, I can walk towards some guys, be “followed” (aka they are taking the same route) by others and never once question my safety.
However, I’ve learned to trust my intuition and if I get that ‘feeling’, I will definitely do my best to get myself into a safer situation.
905Patrick wrote:
I’ve never been a women and I have never been raped, but all the women I know who have been raped wish it hadn’t happened. Many of them blame themselves in some small way for getting into the situation in the first place. Your friends who are playing it safe will likely never have to come to terms with getting raped.
If you can find even one woman who was raped who wished it had happened, I will give you a million dollars.
Just some numbers for you:
1 in 6 women have been victims of rape.
Almost 75% of victims knew their rapist.
That being said, I could take all the precautions I wanted and never EVER walk alone and STILL have to come to terms with being raped.
So fuck it! Be as dangerous as possible and throw caution to the wind!
Is that what you are saying?[/quote]
You look for a fight in everything FTG. No, that’s not what I’m saying at all and if that’s what you read from my post, then I question your reading comprehension abilities.
I responded to 905Patrick who stated people that play it safe won’t have to deal with the after effects of being assaulted. I simply threw some statistics out that said these women can ‘play it safe’ and live in fear of strangers and dark nights forever and still have to deal with an assault.
I’d rather live my life a bit cautiously, but not live in fear. I was raped by someone I know. Does that mean I should avoid men at all costs because even those closest to me could assault me? I certainly hope not. I understand that it could also have been a stranger and happened in a well lit area with people only steps away. Read OG’s post.
I don’t just see sunshine and rainbows FTG, I know there is evil out there, I just choose not to be paralyzed by that knowledge.
[quote]MsM wrote:
ouroboro_s wrote:
I just thought I’d make a cultural comparison that’s neither here nor there. Several men are suggesting guns. I think that underscores one of the fundamental differences between Canada and the U.S. I would be stunned if anyone here suggested that. It wouldn’t even be a consideration.
MsM, perhaps it’s different in your neck of the woods. What’s your take on it?
This isn’t a judgement. It’s an observation.
Sorry, ouroboro_s; I replied to this last night but it didn’t post.
It would definitely depend on where you are. When I was in Ontario, the only people I knew that really had guns were the police and criminals (the odd hunter). In New Brunswick, out in the boonies, everyone has guns. You still have to have a permit and register them here. I have found that the more a place tries to restrict gun ownership, the more issues you have with them being stolen/used for crimes. Everyone has them here and it’s no big deal. You don’t really hear people talking about shooting people here. I think they don’t go around shooting people because everyone knows that everyone else has a gun.
I know you aren’t passing judgment; that’s not like you at all. Personally, I am all for responsible gun ownership and would use one, if necessary. When my son was a baby, I did come home (which was in a very nice area in Old South, London) to find two men that had broken into my house, still in my house. Tell me that a gun would not be appropriate in a situation like that?
Women that don’t prepare themselves for random attacks are being very naive because chances are, at one point in their life, they will have to deal with one.
What do you find the differences to be, if any, ouroboro_s?[/quote]
I’m originally from rural NS where gun ownership proliferates but they are hunting weapons.
My impression is that the possession of a hand gun may impart a false sense of security or bravado; that it levels the playing field. For the most part, I don’t believe that it does. Merely possessing it or holding it does not give you immunity. It isn’t meant as window dressing. It is my opinion that you ought not own a hand gun unless you truly believe you have it in you to kill another person; without hesitation or compunction. That is, after all what they are for. Many days I believe I could, others not. Because of how we are socialised, I don’t think I could do it without hesitation therefore I would not carry or have one in my home.
Others clearly feel differently.
[quote]MsM wrote:
Alffi wrote:
Court from Canada on page 1 said that 1 in 6 women are raped. Lots of statistics like this pop up from seemingly reputable organizations,but they are quite wrong.
Then people will go to see a film about evil white male serial killer (who might have been a jew anyway) and will not know about the racial face of crime.
If these “1 in 4” or “1 in 6” or whatever statistics were for real,then we would all know a lot of women who have been raped or assaulted but in most cases we hardly know one.
After reading your post, I can tell you that if I knew you, you’d be the last person I’d tell if I were assaulted. There’s the answer to your last paragraph.[/quote]
Exactly MsM
a sexual assault is not something a person shares with everyone and unfortunately, doesn’t always report. And sometimes they think they are at fault or they wonder if it was rape (date rape situations with or without drugs.
[quote]Alffi wrote:
Court from Canada on page 1 said that 1 in 6 women are raped. Lots of statistics like this pop up from seemingly reputable organizations,but they are quite wrong.
Then people will go to see a film about evil white male serial killer (who might have been a jew anyway) and will not know about the racial face of crime.
If these “1 in 4” or “1 in 6” or whatever statistics were for real,then we would all know a lot of women who have been raped or assaulted but in most cases we hardly know one. [/quote]
Bullshit. How can you say that they’re wrong?
I know of at least 3. This isn’t the kind of sbject that’s just thrown around during Sunday dinner.
[quote]imhungry wrote:
I know of at least 3. This isn’t the kind of subject that’s just thrown around during Sunday dinner. [/quote]
Precisely. People are private about private matters and are hardly likely to sport a scarlet letter ‘A’ for assaulted. Often, this isn’t even shared with those close to you because doing so magnifies something you hope to bury.