What, doesn’t this school have a sandwich-making team? Clearly they are not preparing this girl for the future.
[quote]TVS Coach wrote:
I played HS and college ball. I’ve coached HS ball as defensive coordinator for 4 years. If we are talking about 1A-2A ball, let her play some. I coach in Mississippi, and anything 3A and above would be suicide for a young lady. Football is a way of life in the south, and my mop up guys would still do serious damage to her. Football should be played like gladiators, not flag football.
There is a reason men have testosterone. I have a special young man that played for me and he was a little slow. So I played him a few snaps at mop up. It brought great joy to him and his parents. So I’m not against it, but there is a time and place to do it. Her mom doing what she is doing, is not the way to handle it either. Parents like that are a cancer in small schools. That is one of the problems about coaching a small school.
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Just out of curiosity where do you coach? I am a huge fan of high school football. Played for MUS in high school and college as well.
[quote]Steel Nation wrote:
What, doesn’t this school have a sandwich-making team? Clearly they are not preparing this girl for the future.[/quote]
Clearly, she needs to learn to make them sammiches. Or else she gonna end up bruised and beaten and not from football.
What if the coach had the parents come watch a practice/scrimmage so if she is really that bad it will show…
[quote]buckeye girl wrote:
[quote]T11 wrote:
[quote]batman730 wrote:
When I played community league ball in HS, we had a girl on our team one year. She played O line.
As I recall, the average weight of our linebackers was about 200lbs and most of our D line were all well over that. At least 2 of us went on to play college ball and I think one of us went pro. We would have torn her to pieces had we lined up against her in an actual game.
She was a tough girl, but we were highly competitive, aggressive, athletic and for all intents and purposes, grown ass men. Wouldn’t even have noticed her gender, just meat in the wrong coloured jersey standing between us and the ball.
However she came to practice, worked hard etc so she would occasionally get some playing time late in the game when we already had a solid lead. A BUNCH of other kids were in the same spot. What’s the big deal?
This girl should get the same chance as anybody else, based solely on MERIT. I get that parents want to see their kids live their dreams, I want that for my kid, but it doesn’t always go that way.[/quote]
The thing is the coach wasn’t my coach in high school but I know the guy from being a teacher in middle school. He was the coach before but some sexual scandals happened so he got fired. He eventually got rehired and he wants his team to win like anyone else.(Great Coach, I was pissed I didn’t have him) My senior year we had another senior who was LD(learning disabled) and our coach played him enough to have him letter(putting him on special teams and other bullshit). My old high school isn’t unreasonable and I really think he is afraid to put her in because she will get fucked up. [/quote]
If that’s the only reason (and ability, or lack thereof, isn’t really an issue) I say let her play and run the risk of getting laid out. Injury is a risk that every player has to deal with in every sport. She looks like a pretty big girl, big enough that I doubt she is the smallest person on the team. If there are 140lb guys playing high school football and no one is refusing to put them in because “they might get hurt” there that’s not a good reason to not let a girl play. [/quote]
I think now is past the point of them suing or anything like that if she gets hurt. I say put her on the field for a series and see what happens. If she gets fucked up then thats that. The thing is though I know she isn’t out performing the 1st string or even 2nd string for that matter. Her mom feels like she deserves to play because she is a senior which isn’t what competitive sports is about. Now she is making it a big sexism agenda with almost 2000 shares on facebook now.
[quote]bdocksaints75 wrote:
What if the coach had the parents come watch a practice/scrimmage so if she is really that bad it will show…[/quote]
What you logic to solve this? NO! We are just going to show this chauvinist society that they can’t hold women back with their one track minds.
[quote]T11 wrote:
[quote]bdocksaints75 wrote:
What if the coach had the parents come watch a practice/scrimmage so if she is really that bad it will show…[/quote]
What you logic to solve this? NO! We are just going to show this chauvinist society that they can’t hold women back with their one track minds. [/quote]
LMAO awesome pic
Interesting. When I played football in high school during at a small school in Washington at the 2B level, so the average school size was between 100 to 200 students. On top of this we were also one of the worst teams that year, unable to make tackles on defense and all the senior most seniors were baseball pussies who couldn’t tackle. One of the larger girls that threw for track decided to go play football for her senior year, for some reason being told by our track coach that she could make it. I kept my mouth shut though despite knowing it was a dumb idea seeing her thrown onto the line.
In short, she sucked. When it came time to wear pads and do any hitting drills, many players felt uneasy when going up against her, just like what many people have said during this thread. But I do recall once practice squad was on defense trying to give Varsity a look where she was fattened like a pancake. During this particular play she was positioned at D-Tackle. When the play started, she was left unblocked for a moment completely bliss of our best lineman and only good player who weighed a solid 200lb at 6’4 came pulling around the corner, not holding back. Within half a second, she was knocked completley onto her back and had enough momentum to roll backwards. I renembrer being surprised as she was able to actually get up and walk herself to the sideline where some freshman took her spot. She didn’t go back in for the rest of that practice and I can understand why.
Basically my opinion is girls trying to play football that can actually benifit the team must be 1 in 10,000. I feel sorry for the head coach and players who have to deal with this situation.
[quote]pushharder wrote:
999 times out of 1000 a 140 lbs 17 year old boy would annihilate a 180 lbs 17 year old girl on the football field when it comes to hard core hitting.
And hard core hitting is what American football at the high school level and beyond is all about.
That’s just the way it is.[/quote]
I’ve coached a number of high school football players (ranging from 140 to 290 lbs) as well as D1 women’s rugby (club level), and nothing about that girl’s appearance suggests that she would have an issue with someone 50 lbs lighter than her. If she’s managed to earn playing time in the past 8-9 years of playing football (the OP says shes been playing since the 4th grade), then there’s a pretty good chance that she is used to moving fast and hitting hard. As a matter of fact, when I was in school, the women’s rugby club from the university scrimmaged against a semi-local men’s junior rugby club (16-19 years old range) and ANNIHILATED them. Your average fat chick couldn’t hang, but I’ve been around enough real female athletes (not the oversexed barbie doll “athlete” image so popular on this site) that your phsyics-defying statement is pretty absurd.
For reference, Cbear (formerly of this site) is 5’9" and 160-170 lbs. When I was at my heaviest (220lbs, squatting 600), there was an instance where we were horsing around and she got underneath my arms and tossed all 220 lbs of me. A 180 lb female can certainly be a force on the football field if she knows what she’s doing. Football is all physics. Power output, weight, and leverage. The average 140 lb high school football player is pathetically weak. Trust me, I’ve coached plenty that my fiance outlits handily. Theres a good chance a girl who has played a position for 8 years understands leverage, and the 140 vs 180 lb issue is a no contest.
Another example…one of the 2a high schools in the area I’m originally from had a female offensive tackle that started varsity when I was a senior. We were a small school, so our guys often were 1st string on one platoon and 2nd on the other. A guy who I later roomed with in college was a 2nd string DT and played at 5’10" and 230 always talked about how she was “the meanest bitch I ever met” and how she was very much “one of the guys” when it came to all of the brutal stuff that goes on “in the trenches” and could dish out some punishment in the flexbone running offense that all of us ran at the time.
I think there might be a very small, and I mean VERY small number of girls who could play football with guys and do ok.
The kind of hitting guys do at that speed and weight is just astounding.
I think a girl could play for a small level high school, maybe junior college or Division-3 type of school.
But I do not believe there is a woman who can play at a major Division-1 school who could make it.
[quote]T11 wrote:
[quote]buckeye girl wrote:
[quote]T11 wrote:
[quote]batman730 wrote:
When I played community league ball in HS, we had a girl on our team one year. She played O line.
As I recall, the average weight of our linebackers was about 200lbs and most of our D line were all well over that. At least 2 of us went on to play college ball and I think one of us went pro. We would have torn her to pieces had we lined up against her in an actual game.
She was a tough girl, but we were highly competitive, aggressive, athletic and for all intents and purposes, grown ass men. Wouldn’t even have noticed her gender, just meat in the wrong coloured jersey standing between us and the ball.
However she came to practice, worked hard etc so she would occasionally get some playing time late in the game when we already had a solid lead. A BUNCH of other kids were in the same spot. What’s the big deal?
This girl should get the same chance as anybody else, based solely on MERIT. I get that parents want to see their kids live their dreams, I want that for my kid, but it doesn’t always go that way.[/quote]
The thing is the coach wasn’t my coach in high school but I know the guy from being a teacher in middle school. He was the coach before but some sexual scandals happened so he got fired. He eventually got rehired and he wants his team to win like anyone else.(Great Coach, I was pissed I didn’t have him) My senior year we had another senior who was LD(learning disabled) and our coach played him enough to have him letter(putting him on special teams and other bullshit). My old high school isn’t unreasonable and I really think he is afraid to put her in because she will get fucked up. [/quote]
If that’s the only reason (and ability, or lack thereof, isn’t really an issue) I say let her play and run the risk of getting laid out. Injury is a risk that every player has to deal with in every sport. She looks like a pretty big girl, big enough that I doubt she is the smallest person on the team. If there are 140lb guys playing high school football and no one is refusing to put them in because “they might get hurt” there that’s not a good reason to not let a girl play. [/quote]
I think now is past the point of them suing or anything like that if she gets hurt. I say put her on the field for a series and see what happens. If she gets fucked up then thats that. The thing is though I know she isn’t out performing the 1st string or even 2nd string for that matter. Her mom feels like she deserves to play because she is a senior which isn’t what competitive sports is about. Now she is making it a big sexism agenda with almost 2000 shares on facebook now. [/quote]
The players that are the most skilled in their positions are the ones that deserve to play. Period. Being a senior, “working really really hard” or “loving football more than life itself” are really cute and make for a nice feel good story and all, but if you’re going to rant and rave about discrimination and fairness you better have the skills to back that shit up. I’m all for women for playing any sport or pursuing any career that they choose, but they’ve got to be held to the same standard as everyone else. Not getting any playing time because you suck isn’t discrimination, that’s how competitive sports work. You want more playing time? Do better.
Like I said before, her not playing for a reason specifically related to her sex is BS, but if she’s not good enough, she’s not good enough (and it does sound like ability is the issue). I wish people like her mother wouldn’t pull the sexism card in cases like this. Ranting about discrimination against a mediocre female athlete isn’t doing anything to help legitimize female athletes in male dominated sports. It doesn’t “prove” anything. It just makes these athletes look like a bunch of whiney women that think they should have stuff handed to them on a silver platter because they have a vagina. There’s a difference between equality and entitlement. It seems some people need to learn the difference.
[quote]hungry4more wrote:
Yeah, don’t get how this is complex at all. If she’s the best person for a position, play her. If not, don’t. Even by the mom’s account, the coach repeatedly told her that her daughter wasn’t good enough…as long as she got a chance to try out like everyone else, and was fairly evaluated, there’s nothing more to it. [/quote]
This pretty much sums up my thoughts on this. Best player plays. Simple and fair.
You know, I bet if they played her, and she got laid out and everyone laughed…
Her FemiNazi mom would file a bullying complaint against everyone involved.
And quotes from her Dad? Are there any?
Probably not. Because mom is divorced and I bet Dad pays a ton of alimony (or whatever the PC term it is this week).
She sounds like one of those “type”.
Let the FEMISHITSTORM BEGINNNNN!!!
Also my mom is a math teacher there so I’m going to have to get more details on this whole ordeal.
The FEMI-STORM is rallying
[quote]T11 wrote:
Let the FEMISHITSTORM BEGINNNNN!!!
Also my mom is a math teacher there so I’m going to have to get more details on this whole ordeal. [/quote]
She misspelled principal.
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[quote]Stronghold wrote:
[quote]pushharder wrote:
999 times out of 1000 a 140 lbs 17 year old boy would annihilate a 180 lbs 17 year old girl on the football field when it comes to hard core hitting.
And hard core hitting is what American football at the high school level and beyond is all about.
That’s just the way it is.[/quote]
I’ve coached a number of high school football players (ranging from 140 to 290 lbs) as well as D1 women’s rugby (club level), and nothing about that girl’s appearance suggests that she would have an issue with someone 50 lbs lighter than her. If she’s managed to earn playing time in the past 8-9 years of playing football (the OP says shes been playing since the 4th grade), then there’s a pretty good chance that she is used to moving fast and hitting hard. As a matter of fact, when I was in school, the women’s rugby club from the university scrimmaged against a semi-local men’s junior rugby club (16-19 years old range) and ANNIHILATED them. Your average fat chick couldn’t hang, but I’ve been around enough real female athletes (not the oversexed barbie doll “athlete” image so popular on this site) that your phsyics-defying statement is pretty absurd.
For reference, Cbear (formerly of this site) is 5’9" and 160-170 lbs. When I was at my heaviest (220lbs, squatting 600), there was an instance where we were horsing around and she got underneath my arms and tossed all 220 lbs of me. A 180 lb female can certainly be a force on the football field if she knows what she’s doing. Football is all physics. Power output, weight, and leverage. The average 140 lb high school football player is pathetically weak. Trust me, I’ve coached plenty that my fiance outlits handily. Theres a good chance a girl who has played a position for 8 years understands leverage, and the 140 vs 180 lb issue is a no contest.
Another example…one of the 2a high schools in the area I’m originally from had a female offensive tackle that started varsity when I was a senior. We were a small school, so our guys often were 1st string on one platoon and 2nd on the other. A guy who I later roomed with in college was a 2nd string DT and played at 5’10" and 230 always talked about how she was “the meanest bitch I ever met” and how she was very much “one of the guys” when it came to all of the brutal stuff that goes on “in the trenches” and could dish out some punishment in the flexbone running offense that all of us ran at the time.[/quote]
I won’t sit here and say a woman can’t do it but a top level female will never be as good as a top level male athlete. I’m just saying in this instance her ability is the case but instead they are turning it into a sexist, equal rights thing. I know all about using size, speed, strength and leverage to your advantage. I started DL my senior year at 5’3" 160lbs(and kicker). Granted I was benching 310, squating around 420, and ran a 4.6 so I had a solid frame. I have bucked under centers and guards weighing over 250 and pancaked them. I was never going to play in college because I was too small; but I would get compliments from so many coaches about how I was a great player and they were extremely worried about me when they saw me on film. I would never say a small chick or big Burtha couldn’t do a great job or use skill to be the better player. This case is more along the lines of she isn’t skilled so that is why its so irritating for me.
I am not about the never hit a girl thing. If she wants to hit like a man she can get hit like a man.