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The Wisc. state legislature passed the union-weakening bill.
Good for them! Now it goes to the state senate.
This is a hard sentence to type, but there was the first recorded instance of fair and balanced coverage by fox news on this issue.
[quote]BostonBarrister wrote:
I don’t really understand why public-sector employees should be allowed to unionize anyway. http://www.professorbainbridge.com/professorbainbridgecom/2011/02/the-case-against-public-sector-unionism.html[/quote]
They shouldn’t and need not to with civil service laws.
They are allowed to because it is a revenue stream for the Democrats.
[quote]siouxperman wrote:
This is a hard sentence to type, but there was the first recorded instance of fair and balanced coverage by fox news on this issue.
Nice clip of Shep and Juan on Fox. Thanks for posting that insight.
Maybe the game is already ‘over’ and this thing just has to play itself out.
Maybe the dems know that, and that’s why they ran away!!
This really interests me because of a similar situation in NJ.
Although, in NJ, there really IS a fiscal crisis that dwarfs Wisc. so-called crisis.
Gov. Chris Christie has taken on the public worker union (mostly teachers), but has said he’s not going to take away collective bargaining rights. He just wants them to pay more for health insurance, take away tenure, freeze wages for a year, etc. That would save something like $300M in one year. JUST DO IT!
Wisconsin is already a done deal. The damage is already done, and unions have been weakened from the fall out. The line has been drawn deeper in the sand, not favoring unions.
I know it’s Huffington Post but I thought this article was an interesting read on how varrying poll results can be.
Now off to work.
Senate Democratic Assemblyman threatens GOP female colleague with “you’re fucking dead.”
So much for toning down the rhetoric.
[quote]lanchefan1 wrote:
I know it’s Huffington Post but I thought this article was an interesting read on how varrying poll results can be.
Now off to work.[/quote]
I think this about this thread, and in Defense of the so called right the so called left is guilty as well , just not to the same degree
By the time that this is over unions will have shown the country what they’re all about, and that will be enough to turn the tide against them for a good long time. I give the Governor of Wisconsin a lot of credit for what he’s done up to this point. I also think that other republican Governors around the country could grow a pair and follow suit.
[quote]ZEB wrote:
By the time that this is over unions will have shown the country what they’re all about, and that will be enough to turn the tide against them for a good long time. I give the Governor of Wisconsin a lot of credit for what he’s done up to this point. I also think that other republican Governors around the country could grow a pair and follow suit.[/quote]
Agreed,
Unions always vote Dem, so nothing changes on their end. But people will see the union greed behind all this, and come voting time, I think this will all favor the Republicans. Not to mention Obama coming out for unions too.
[quote]MaximusB wrote:
[quote]ZEB wrote:
By the time that this is over unions will have shown the country what they’re all about, and that will be enough to turn the tide against them for a good long time. I give the Governor of Wisconsin a lot of credit for what he’s done up to this point. I also think that other republican Governors around the country could grow a pair and follow suit.[/quote]
Agreed,
Unions always vote Dem, so nothing changes on their end. But people will see the union greed behind all this, and come voting time, I think this will all favor the Republicans. Not to mention Obama coming out for unions too. [/quote]
I agree Unions vote Dem. , but that is who caters to the Unions. It is what is called a Riciprical relation ship . Just like Churches and NRA
[quote]ZEB wrote:
By the time that this is over unions will have shown the country what they’re all about, and that will be enough to turn the tide against them for a good long time. I give the Governor of Wisconsin a lot of credit for what he’s done up to this point. I also think that other republican Governors around the country could grow a pair and follow suit.[/quote]
Gov. Chris Christie (R-NJ) has been battling the unions for over a year now. Last week, he was asked to speak at the National Governors Convention in Washington DC and urged all governors to not be afraid and push-back on the unions if their particular budget/financial situation warrants it. Can’t wait until June, that’s when the NJ contracts are up for renewal. Christie has already said he is going to take a ‘adversarial’ position in the negotiations…because that’s how you’re supposed to negotiate union contracts (in general) and someone should be in the room that is representing the taxpayer. Duh.
Haa ha…its news to democratic politicians!
[quote]Sweet Revenge wrote:
[quote]ZEB wrote:
By the time that this is over unions will have shown the country what they’re all about, and that will be enough to turn the tide against them for a good long time. I give the Governor of Wisconsin a lot of credit for what he’s done up to this point. I also think that other republican Governors around the country could grow a pair and follow suit.[/quote]
Gov. Chris Christie (R-NJ) has been battling the unions for over a year now. Last week, he was asked to speak at the National Governors Convention in Washington DC and urged all governors to not be afraid and push-back on the unions if their particular budget/financial situation warrants it. Can’t wait until June, that’s when the NJ contracts are up for renewal. Christie has already said he is going to take a ‘adversarial’ position in the negotiations…because that’s how you’re supposed to negotiate union contracts (in general) and someone should be in the room that is representing the taxpayer. Duh.
Haa ha…its news to democratic politicians![/quote]
Every time I negotiate a new contract with our township, that’s the way it is. Advocating for the township is the elected supervisor, the twp manager, the fire chief, and the twp lawyer. On the union side is myself and the other elected union reps. The township has plenty of representation for the taxpayer, and I can assure you, they’re plenty “adversarial”.
Let me ask some of the anti-union folks this question; do you really think that ALL unions are bad? Or is it more like management making bad deals? Personally, I think that there’s nothing wrong with workers collectively bargaining the price of their resource (labor). I talked to the president of a company once, who told me flat out that he loves that his employees are union. This gives him a chance to negotiate sharply, set a reasonable contract with his laborers, and lock them into it. The later part is what he said he loves the most, that he can lock them into a contract that he can negotiate. Of course, it helps that he was a damn sharp negotiator, but if you’re a successful business person, that should be a given I think.
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
[quote]MaximusB wrote:
[quote]ZEB wrote:
By the time that this is over unions will have shown the country what they’re all about, and that will be enough to turn the tide against them for a good long time. I give the Governor of Wisconsin a lot of credit for what he’s done up to this point. I also think that other republican Governors around the country could grow a pair and follow suit.[/quote]
Agreed,
Unions always vote Dem, so nothing changes on their end. But people will see the union greed behind all this, and come voting time, I think this will all favor the Republicans. Not to mention Obama coming out for unions too. [/quote]
I agree Unions vote Dem. , but that is who caters to the Unions. It is what is called a reciprocal relation ship . Just like Churches and NRA
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I was attending our state union convention this past summer, and I heard the general president of the IAFF give a speech where he said “I’ll take a hundred Nancy Pelosi’s!!” One thing about fire unions; they’re single issue organizations. Although they back dems most of the time, it’s not uncommon to see them back a republican either. It just depends on where they come down on the issue as it relates to fire departments and their employees.
LOL…Sometimes I feel like I’m behind enemy lines at these functions. But the beer is free and they throw a helluva party, so WTF, I try to blend in. 
[quote]bigflamer wrote:
[quote]Sweet Revenge wrote:
[quote]ZEB wrote:
By the time that this is over unions will have shown the country what they’re all about, and that will be enough to turn the tide against them for a good long time. I give the Governor of Wisconsin a lot of credit for what he’s done up to this point. I also think that other republican Governors around the country could grow a pair and follow suit.[/quote]
Gov. Chris Christie (R-NJ) has been battling the unions for over a year now. Last week, he was asked to speak at the National Governors Convention in Washington DC and urged all governors to not be afraid and push-back on the unions if their particular budget/financial situation warrants it. Can’t wait until June, that’s when the NJ contracts are up for renewal. Christie has already said he is going to take a ‘adversarial’ position in the negotiations…because that’s how you’re supposed to negotiate union contracts (in general) and someone should be in the room that is representing the taxpayer. Duh.
Haa ha…its news to democratic politicians![/quote]
Every time I negotiate a new contract with our township, that’s the way it is. Advocating for the township is the elected supervisor, the twp manager, the fire chief, and the twp lawyer. On the union side is myself and the other elected union reps. The township has plenty of representation for the taxpayer, and I can assure you, they’re plenty “adversarial”.
Let me ask some of the anti-union folks this question; do you really think that ALL unions are bad? Or is it more like management making bad deals? Personally, I think that there’s nothing wrong with workers collectively bargaining the price of their resource (labor). I talked to the president of a company once, who told me flat out that he loves that his employees are union. This gives him a chance to negotiate sharply, set a reasonable contract with his laborers, and lock them into it. The later part is what he said he loves the most, that he can lock them into a contract that he can negotiate. Of course, it helps that he was a damn sharp negotiator, but if you’re a successful business person, that should be a given I think.
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As long as anti trust laws are in place I am against collective bargaining.
[quote]bigflamer wrote:
Let me ask some of the anti-union folks this question; do you really think that ALL unions are bad? Or is it more like management making bad deals? Personally, I think that there’s nothing wrong with workers collectively bargaining the price of their resource (labor). I talked to the president of a company once, who told me flat out that he loves that his employees are union. This gives him a chance to negotiate sharply, set a reasonable contract with his laborers, and lock them into it. The later part is what he said he loves the most, that he can lock them into a contract that he can negotiate. Of course, it helps that he was a damn sharp negotiator, but if you’re a successful business person, that should be a given I think.
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I certainly don’t consider myself anti-union by any means, since my career is in construction management, working almost entirely on the large union projects. In the rare instances when I’ve worked with non-union companies, I’ve found them to be amateurs compared to the big-boy union companies.
However, when it comes to NJ, the public-employee union has been sucking the NJ taxpayers dry for a while now. Approx. 75% of every property tax dollar goes to union public-employee BENEFITS. Not salaries. Not gas and equipment for cop cars and firetrucks. Not the buildings, light & power to house state bureaucrats. BENEFITS! Some state employees recently got 7% raises in a 0% inflation, recession economy. They pay around 1-1/2% for health insurance. They retire at 55 with a full pension. Taxpayers are pissed off and not gonna take it anymore!
It’s about time we got a republican governor to fight back.
[quote]bigflamer wrote:
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
[quote]MaximusB wrote:
[quote]ZEB wrote:
By the time that this is over unions will have shown the country what they’re all about, and that will be enough to turn the tide against them for a good long time. I give the Governor of Wisconsin a lot of credit for what he’s done up to this point. I also think that other republican Governors around the country could grow a pair and follow suit.[/quote]
Agreed,
Unions always vote Dem, so nothing changes on their end. But people will see the union greed behind all this, and come voting time, I think this will all favor the Republicans. Not to mention Obama coming out for unions too. [/quote]
I agree Unions vote Dem. , but that is who caters to the Unions. It is what is called a reciprocal relation ship . Just like Churches and NRA
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I was attending our state union convention this past summer, and I heard the general president of the IAFF give a speech where he said “I’ll take a hundred Nancy Pelosi’s!!” One thing about fire unions; they’re single issue organizations. Although they back dems most of the time, it’s not uncommon to see them back a republican either. It just depends on where they come down on the issue as it relates to fire departments and their employees.
LOL…Sometimes I feel like I’m behind enemy lines at these functions. But the beer is free and they throw a helluva party, so WTF, I try to blend in. :-)[/quote]
I know the steel workers threw a hell of a party:) The only thing I have against fire and police unions are they isolate them selves and do not endorse other unions . In Warren Ohio in the early 80s the police union went out and cracked heads at the local hospital (AFSCME), and transported scabs across picket lines. Maybe my feelings are not warranted against the fire , but the FOP deserves to stand alone
Now this is interesting:
Argument that WI Senate doesn’t need Dems to show up to pass most of the budget provisions, including stripping public unions of collective-bargaining power.
And now the Republicans voted to have the State Police find and bring the AWOL dems back by 4pm tomorrow.
Apparently, it’s just short of an arrest. And if they don’t come back, the Gov. writes lay-off orders.
Either way, looks like the Gov. won this one.
[quote]Sweet Revenge wrote:
And now the Republicans voted to have the State Police find and bring the AWOL dems back by 4pm tomorrow.
Apparently, it’s just short of an arrest. And if they don’t come back, the Gov. writes lay-off orders.
Either way, looks like the Gov. won this one.
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The Wisconsin Senate has voted 19-0 to hold the missing Dems in contempt. A warrant for their arrest has been issued.
This is getting good.