[quote]Game_over wrote:
wow…haha 3 idiots right there[/quote]
Thank goodness that they are still outnumbered by all of us juiced up freaks of nature. If I was that skinny I’d rely on a keyboard as a security blanket too, I think.
[quote]bizkit497 wrote:
All you guys do is bash people on this board. Sorry not everyone wants to look like a juiced up freak of nature. In his eyes, he had great results. Who are you to question what his results were? Are you the messiah of steroids? Just because someone has a different goal than you do does not mean it is wrong. Seems like it is always the same people bashing other posters.[/quote]
Wrong.
We are the messiahs of steroids, the Sultans of sust, the Princes of prop, the Dali Lamas of dbol.
But seriously:
If your dislike the opinion of the most knowledgeable, experienced and active members of this board then its time to find a new board.
As this board clearly does not fit your goals of looking “hot and skinny for the beach”
And you clearly have no interest in taking good advice from guys who know it better than you and are offering it freely.
Its not that steroids cant be used in the way you want, its not the fault of the drugs.
Its the fault of you, you gave us your expectations and we told you your cycle will not succeed in those goals.
End of story.
If you want to jerk each other off and tell your “bros” they have hot abs, then go to another site.
You didnt hear me say anything about “juiced up freaks”.
I dont care if you want to get as big as you possibly can or stay lean. Thats beside the point. There is a lot of knowledge on this site. And I can uderstand the frustration some of you have b/c of “new” guys asking about things you dont agree with. Tell them why, give them facts and let them make their decision. No need to get all shitty.
[quote]BONEZ217 wrote:
Game_over wrote:
wow…haha 3 idiots right there
Thank goodness that they are still outnumbered by all of us juiced up freaks of nature. If I was that skinny I’d rely on a keyboard as a security blanket too, I think. [/quote]
You don’t have to be such a dick man. I didn’t agree with what he said i was saying it was nice of him to back me up.
I wanna get big and shredded one day but i’m to young to start taking all that shit.
[quote]trmn8r99 wrote:
I wanna get big and shredded one day …to start taking all that shit.[/quote]
you just showed your ass even more with that comment. its not all drugs man
Wow… it’s like a skinny boy circle jerk in here. They have seriously come out in full force for this thread.
I lurk pretty hard and these guys are ruining my lurking enjoyment.
If you don’t like the response that you have gotten from members of a board, then you should find a new board and stop expecting that you will be coddled. No one here is your mother who will spoon feed you information and sugar coat their opinions.
If you don’t like it, then leave.
[quote]trmn8r99 wrote:
BONEZ217 wrote:
Game_over wrote:
wow…haha 3 idiots right there
Thank goodness that they are still outnumbered by all of us juiced up freaks of nature. If I was that skinny I’d rely on a keyboard as a security blanket too, I think.
You don’t have to be such a dick man. I didn’t agree with what he said i was saying it was nice of him to back me up.
I wanna get big and shredded one day but i’m to young to start taking all that shit.[/quote]
Taking all that shit? Doesnt Stanozolol count then, the liver toxic DHT derivitave androgenic anabolic steroid?
Yeah… too young is right, dont forget you HAVE started though!
[quote]trmn8r99 wrote:
i’m to young to start taking all that shit.[/quote]
This is completely wrong. To imply that, winstrol is possibly “safer” than the other AAS, is very incorrect. It is analogous to the idea, that a PH cycle is some how safer than an illegal steroid. They both decrease endogenous testosterone production, have negative effects on lipid profiles, effect the liver, prostate growth, and winstrol also appears to induce some extra myocardial thickening. Please do not spread this type of “bro” idiocy on T-Nation.
[quote]trmn8r99 wrote:
BONEZ217 wrote:
Game_over wrote:
wow…haha 3 idiots right there
Thank goodness that they are still outnumbered by all of us juiced up freaks of nature. If I was that skinny I’d rely on a keyboard as a security blanket too, I think.
You don’t have to be such a dick man. I didn’t agree with what he said i was saying it was nice of him to back me up.
I wanna get big and shredded one day but i’m to young to start taking all that shit.[/quote]
Wait. So I’m not allowed to be a dick but you are allowed to make posts that dumb down the content here?
That is an unproductive philosophy, I think.
Back to the original topic, while I have the winstrol tabs and will be starting it in May regardless, I would also like to run Test with it. Is test prop the best option to run with winstrol.
Once again stats are 6’3", 194, 11% bf. I should have also probably added that I am a college pitcher and my ideal weight would be 210, 215 max.
Yes absolutely run the test P with it.
75mg/day for 6 weeks, with an AI to limit estro.
[quote]soontobeIFBB wrote:
Yes absolutely run the test P with it.
75mg/day for 6 weeks, with an AI to limit estro.[/quote]
I even like to frontload my prop, but that is almost not worth the trouble if your not used to doing it.
Prop should kick fast enough without a frontload.
75mg/day is perfect. With an AI and Winny you could easily accomplish your goal.
8 pounds easily, and a pretty fair bodyfat reduction as well as long as you keep your diet on check and your intensity in the gym high. Your other concern was hardening, which at 50mg of winny is a reasonable goal.
however, remember that to feel really see the hardening effects you need to be below 10% bodyfat, otherwise its difficult to notice the effect, even if it is there.
[quote]egnatiosj wrote:
trmn8r99 wrote:
i’m to young to start taking all that shit.
This is completely wrong. To imply that, winstrol is possibly “safer” than the other AAS, is very incorrect. It is analogous to the idea, that a PH cycle is some how safer than an illegal steroid. They both decrease endogenous testosterone production, have negative effects on lipid profiles, effect the liver, prostate growth, and winstrol also appears to induce some extra myocardial thickening. Please do not spread this type of “bro” idiocy on T-Nation. [/quote]
I get what you’re saying, you’re right my bad.
ive done a winni only cycle and gained 5-7 pounds it was good, but drys the joints up.i only ran 5mg tabs 3 times a day for 45days and my strnth and conditioning were exponential better
[quote]cokezero wrote:
ive done a winni only cycle and gained 5-7 pounds it was good, but drys the joints up.i only ran 5mg tabs 3 times a day for 45days and my strnth and conditioning were exponential better[/quote]
Being a high level weightlifting athlete at the time, and the fact that it was your first AAS experience could make your response exceptional.
That dude’s avatar is kai greene. No?
[quote]bizkit497 wrote:
All you guys do is bash people on this board. Sorry not everyone wants to look like a juiced up freak of nature. In his eyes, he had great results. Who are you to question what his results were? Are you the messiah of steroids? Just because someone has a different goal than you do does not mean it is wrong. Seems like it is always the same people bashing other posters.[/quote]
True. This board is full a holes. They have their roid rage. I stay away from this board and check up on it infrequently just to see if there is any good info. Usually there Isn’t, just more of what you mentioned.
But there are exceptions so my apologies to the good contributors.
But too many dudes have the attitude that because they are “above” someone with less size, they look down on any notion about “them” using. Who do they think they are those smaller guys thinking about juicing, lol. So questions are not addressed or answered.
you get sarcasm, put downs, name calling etc etc etc…
[quote]heat49 wrote:
Back to the original topic, while I have the winstrol tabs and will be starting it in May regardless, I would also like to run Test with it. Is test prop the best option to run with winstrol.
Once again stats are 6’3", 194, 11% bf. I should have also probably added that I am a college pitcher and my ideal weight would be 210, 215 max.[/quote]
Be careful with Winny then. Winny Orally is a different animal then the injectable. It’s used more the reduce the SHBG and have more “free” testosterone during a cycle with test. So it’s not actually primarily used as a growth agent.
Also the collagen and tendon tissue abnormalities can cause you to have problematic shoulders. But realistically that would take higher dosages and for longer times. But either way your shoulders are gold to your sport so i would do cycles which encompass joint health.
[quote]egnatiosj wrote:
trmn8r99 wrote:
i’m to young to start taking all that shit.
This is completely wrong. To imply that, winstrol is possibly “safer” than the other AAS, is very incorrect. It is analogous to the idea, that a PH cycle is some how safer than an illegal steroid. They both decrease endogenous testosterone production, have negative effects on lipid profiles, effect the liver, prostate growth, and winstrol also appears to induce some extra myocardial thickening. Please do not spread this type of “bro” idiocy on T-Nation. [/quote]
So there is no difference to the user in terms of the issues you listed whether i do anadrol 50/Test suspension cycles or Primo and Anavar cycles?
[quote]Gregus wrote:
egnatiosj wrote:
trmn8r99 wrote:
i’m to young to start taking all that shit.
To imply that, winstrol is possibly “safer” than the other AAS, is incorrect. It is analogous to the idea, that a PH cycle is some how safer than an illegal steroid. They both decrease endogenous testosterone production, have negative effects on lipid profiles, effect the liver, prostate growth, and winstrol also appears to induce some extra myocardial thickening.
So there is no difference to the user in terms of the issues you listed whether i do anadrol 50/Test suspension cycles or Primo and Anavar cycles?
[/quote]
I obviously could not answer that without some rationale backing comparing the two cycles. I don’t think you will find studies comparing the two cycles, so it is up to you to speculate as to which is worse. My guess, is that the primo/var cycle would be worse on your lipid profile and possibly prostate growth (if you are using traditional dosing methods for both cycles). Liver function, and effect on endogenous t production would seem to depend on dose, length of cycle, etc. My point was not so much that all steroids are equivalent in side effects, but that just because a steroid is legal, or taken orally or whatever, does not mean that it is SAFE.