Why would you risk liver damage and elevate cholesterol for the sake of such a small gain which with a year or less worth of hard work and proper nutrition you could have without the side effects?
[quote]bizkit497 wrote:
Westclock wrote:
You are atleast 50 pounds from that point, your barely qualified as a lifter.
50 pounds? Sorry but there is no way I would ever want to put on 50 more pounds, even if it was all lean muscle.
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I misread your stats.
I should have written 40 pounds. But thats not the issue.
I weighed more than you before I started juicing, and Im three inches shorter.
all of this arguing would not have existed and the OP gets the advice he’s looking for if he only lied about his weight in his stats sigh
[quote]bizkit497 wrote:
Guys, I understand that in your opinion he shouldn’t be taking steroids, but he clearly did his research. I am also going to be getting on a winstrol only cycle because that is all I have access too and I also want that hard, defined look. My diet is similar to heat49’s. Although I am only 5"11/188/10%bf, I think this cycle will give me the gains I am looking for. All we are asking for is a little help.[/quote]
Fair point… winstrol is likely to do very little… it is often recommended at dosages of 50mg EOD or ED. I find no results from anything under 50mg ED and would actually choose to run it at 75-100mg/day for 6 weeks if ran alone. Liver function tests before and during.
Make sure your bodyfat IS 8% or 10% because if it is over 10% you are unlikely to see fuck all.
The issue the posters here - including myself - with people coming in saying “i dont wanna be some massive juicehead” is two-fold:
- Most of us do want that and may find that comment offensive, but also;
- Why use AAS (in one of the least productive ways - an oral non-aromatasing anabolic with weak to little noticeable results in all but track and 3-6%bf BB’s) to achieve what could be achieved with 1 year of strict diet and dilligent natural training.
There is another point more to the OP than this reply - but that thinking because the final goal is not to be a massive “juicehead” that 1 cycle of a weak anabolic (in reality, not on paper) is needed, is incorrect by quite some distance.
To actually become a big meathead from a slim or skinny frame takes a long time for some, and many years and many cycles.
I myself am 5’8" but naturally was very skinny… at 18 i was about 126lbs… after 4 years of training naturally but at home i gained 14lbs lean making me 140lbs.
At 29 i am 205 and 15%, still not massive but big enough so that if i cut now, i would look like a lean fitness model i’d expect or at approx 5% be around 180lbs… Not a juice head by any means - except i certainly am.
Good luck with the cycle but your goals would be better realised with a 8 week cycle of masteron or test prop and mast for 6-8 weeks.
Brook
[quote]heat49 wrote:
“…while putting on 5-8 lbs of LEAN muscle in the process…”[/quote]
Unlikely with this cycle IME of the drug.[quote]
Keep in mind I have reasearched winstrol online the past few months religiously, and am not the typical winstrol only poster who doesnt know his ass from his elbow about anything.[/quote] So after a few months of religious research on the drug, its half life, effects and sides and also and know if cardio needs to be manipulated for your own goals with or without the drug…? Good! Great… what about the quotes below?[quote]
“…and what the benefits are in breaking the winny tabs up and taking 25mg in the morning and 25mg in the evening…”
“…I was just curious if anyone else is similar to me and has done a winstrol only cycle, and how their results were, as well as any possible problems they encountered…”
“…I was also still unsure about how much cardio I should be doing on winstrol, right now I am shooting for 3 times a week…”[/quote]
/Flame
[quote]prospa7 wrote:
all of this arguing would not have existed and the OP gets the advice he’s looking for if he only lied about his weight in his stats sigh[/quote]
You know that is eventually going to happen. There is really nothing to stop this guy or anyone else from telling everyone “fake” stats and getting the info he is looking for. I would not even be surprised if he has all the gear he needs or its a phone call away.
He came he looking for some info instead he got met with I am superior attitude. Which instead of getting safe info from people that can guide him properly. This is what he gets. Now he is going to hit another board or ask his “brahs” and get false info and could mess himself up.
I think the op is a little more smarter then this. But the bashing should stop. All that is required is a warning about his stats then some info he is looking for. Stomping on someone only inflates your own ego.
Yes you have more knowledge but sharing it is the only way you spread good knowledge about these substances. They are powerful things and we all know if done wrong they could lead to some serious sides. But if they are done correctly and with some care they are very powerful positive substances as well. And is this not the message we want to send to the public?
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Nicely put DB. I always see the same few people acting as if they are better than someone else b/c they are more knowledgeable or have been around longer. They would get a lot more respect if they would share their info w/out the shitty attitude.
Just b/c someone has a different view on something or different goals doesnt mean they are wrong. Look at Whotookmyname. He said he wouldnt do the cycle but offered up advice.
[quote]BONEZ217 wrote:
trmn8r99 wrote:
I just finished a winstrol only cycle and had great results. good luck and work hard.
Is that you in your avatar?[/quote]
haha ya man i took that towards the end of my cycle.
[quote]dirtbag wrote:
prospa7 wrote:
all of this arguing would not have existed and the OP gets the advice he’s looking for if he only lied about his weight in his stats sigh
You know that is eventually going to happen. There is really nothing to stop this guy or anyone else from telling everyone “fake” stats and getting the info he is looking for. I would not even be surprised if he has all the gear he needs or its a phone call away.
He came he looking for some info instead he got met with I am superior attitude. Which instead of getting safe info from people that can guide him properly. This is what he gets. Now he is going to hit another board or ask his “brahs” and get false info and could mess himself up.
I think the op is a little more smarter then this. But the bashing should stop. All that is required is a warning about his stats then some info he is looking for. Stomping on someone only inflates your own ego.
Yes you have more knowledge but sharing it is the only way you spread good knowledge about these substances. They are powerful things and we all know if done wrong they could lead to some serious sides. But if they are done correctly and with some care they are very powerful positive substances as well. And is this not the message we want to send to the public?[/quote]
What info did he really need? Any jackass bro board can tell you to take win ED, split up. What serious sides are you talking about? He is not injecting, so that is not an issue. Assuming he really did his research, he should know how long to run it for. His worst case scenario, is that the cycle does not help him, and he wastes his money.
I dont believe winstrol has any ED problems associated with it nor does it specifically murder the lipid profile, but he should be getting blood tests anways, so it would fin dit. It is just a stupid cycle, that will not yield desired results. If someone wants to fucking run a useless oral only cycle fine, just keep it off the damn board.
the cycles are not opposed because of the indy user, they are opposed because they are rather ineffective.
running test at 500mg a week while on a calorie deficient would yield 5x the results, with great mood and libido. If he controls E water retention would be a minimum. Also test is almost always cheaper.
[quote]trmn8r99 wrote:
BONEZ217 wrote:
trmn8r99 wrote:
I just finished a winstrol only cycle and had great results. good luck and work hard.
Is that you in your avatar?
haha ya man i took that towards the end of my cycle.[/quote]
You must have a strange definition of ‘great’
All you guys do is bash people on this board. Sorry not everyone wants to look like a juiced up freak of nature. In his eyes, he had great results. Who are you to question what his results were? Are you the messiah of steroids? Just because someone has a different goal than you do does not mean it is wrong. Seems like it is always the same people bashing other posters.
[quote]bizkit497 wrote:
All you guys do is bash people on this board. Sorry not everyone wants to look like a juiced up freak of nature. In his eyes, he had great results. Who are you to question what his results were? Are you the messiah of steroids? Just because someone has a different goal than you do does not mean it is wrong. Seems like it is always the same people bashing other posters.[/quote]
Fine. Leave. Find a forum that is tailored to your goals. You speak as if people here give a shit about your opinion.
OP and anyone else listening.
A 6 week cycle of Test Prop, ran 75mg/day, will serve you much better than a winstrol only cycle. It is easier on the liver, will produce better results, and will provide better “on cycle” satisfaction.
You will not blow up unless your diet is of great caloric excess. Use an AI to control estrogen, and water retention will not be of issue either.
Before you use, please get to the point where you understand how your body works and how to make it grow naturally. If you do not know how to follow a strict diet, or how many calories your body needs to grow, no compound in the world will do it for you. That is all these guys are trying to say.
Alright guys, I wasn’t looking to get into any arguments here. I don’t doubt that pretty much everyone here has better knowledge of steroids than I do, and I respect everyone’s opinions and feedback.
But it seems to me everyone who has had firsthand experience with winstrol only cycles has nothing but good things to say about them. What exactly is it that sets people off about winny only cycles?
I’m not looking for anything with bad sides, and I’m not looking to put on a ton of mass. I’m looking to get ripped, hardended, and put on a few pounds. Winstrol seems to fit these categories. I understand if people are geniunely looking out for me but I don’t get the bashing without providing reasons why.
Why exactly would a winstrol only cycle “fail?” So far, no one has explained this. And by fail, I mean not meeting my goals, not yours.
Nobody has said that a winny-only cycle is going to make the skies collapse. We understand that you’re looking to add some strength without picking up much mass. It’s spring and summer is just around the corner. We get it.
ODDS are very good that if you work out half as hard as the rest of us, you’re going to feel like shit in the gym. Maybe right now the thought of running something ultra-dry sounds appealing, but it won’t when you’re trying to make it back into the gym after a killer leg or back workout. Of course, if you don’t work out very hard, you shouldn’t be entertaining the prospect of using AAS to start with…
ODDS are also good that ultimately you aren’t going to get jackshit out of the cycle. While your one fear is ending up a massive juicehead, the opposite is far more likely. You aren’t going to accomplish much at all with this cycle. If I had to bet, I’d say that you’ll look really skinny, err cut and dry for a while afterwards, and then you’ll morph back to where you were originally. I firmly believe that you need to add muscle at some point if you want to make lasting changes. Winny alone isn’t likely to add any muscle.
Additionally, as egnatiosj alluded to just above, since it’s a 6 wk 17aa oral cycle, your lipids are going to take a beating & your liver enzymes will be elevated from the two-passes. True, you’ll likely be fine and almost certainly won’t end up with the yellow eyes of a Ben Johnson lol but don’t fool yourself into thinking that because you aren’t injecting test or something, you are taking a safer path.
RUN your winny cycle and tell us how it goes. Don’t forget to give us an update three months later, though.
The reason it will likely fail is that you are attempting to cut significant body fat, AND ADD muscle, AND dry out. In 6 weeks. Likely that seems like a lot of time to you, but it is not, even with steroids.
6 weeks is enough do a) lean out and dry out, b) put on lean muscle while maintaining body fat levels, or slightly decrease body fat levels–this is NOT the same as doing what you want to do. You can’t do all three on such a light cycle. Won’t happen. Winny is NOT A STRONG COMPOUND. This has been mentioned by a number of people already in this thread.
It will dry out an already extremely lean physique, can help in leaning out (but is almost always used in conjunction WITH other compounds to add what it lacks–hence the disagreement with a Winny only cycle), or can add something in the way of strength. It is hard on the joints in many people due to the drying out action and leads to joint pain, which is why the poster above me says you will possibly end up regretting it.
Winstrol is almost never used alone even for pure cutting cycles. You want to have the best of both worlds while using something not built for the job.
[quote]BONEZ217 wrote:
Fine. Leave. Find a forum that is tailored to your goals. You speak as if people here give a shit about your opinion. [/quote]
what a fucking douche bag
[quote]Red_Man wrote:
what a fucking douche bag[/quote]
Agreed.
[quote]bizkit497 wrote:
All you guys do is bash people on this board. Sorry not everyone wants to look like a juiced up freak of nature. In his eyes, he had great results. Who are you to question what his results were? Are you the messiah of steroids? Just because someone has a different goal than you do does not mean it is wrong. Seems like it is always the same people bashing other posters.[/quote]
thanks brotha.
wow…haha 3 idiots right there