[quote]KLIM wrote:
How does an exercise like wide grip seated cable rows compare to pendlay rows for hitting the upper back?[/quote]
well IMO (and especially regarding the back and how complex the musculature is) its impossible for anyone except the person doing the movement to tell.
just try them out and see how they and how you respond…
anyways pendlays tend to be more of a staple movement than WG seated cable rows. i THINK in most people lats are the primary movers in pendlays and rear delts/lower traps/rhomboids are the primary movers in WG seated cable rows
[quote]Akuma01 wrote:
Well for Upper back, i think pendlay is best. To me, cables are great for that extra stretch, so i use them in 1 handed rows.[/quote]
How do you do these 1 handed rows? Anyways they have a lever t-bar row machine at my gym that I like because ive been able to engage my lats and upper back easily on it although Ive thought of doing them old school with a v grip bar I just don’t know what to do with the non weighted end.
[quote]Akuma01 wrote:
Well for Upper back, i think pendlay is best. To me, cables are great for that extra stretch, so i use them in 1 handed rows.[/quote]
How do you do these 1 handed rows? Anyways they have a lever t-bar row machine at my gym that I like because ive been able to engage my lats and upper back easily on it although Ive thought of doing them old school with a v grip bar I just don’t know what to do with the non weighted end.[/quote]
A 1 handed cable? Lead with your foot opposite your arm. You bend your knees, dip forward a bit, and row. Bam easy
[quote]JoabSonOfZeruiah wrote:
Ive thought of doing them old school with a v grip bar I just don’t know what to do with the non weighted end.[/quote]
Put it in a corner, and put a 45 or heavy dumbell on the non-weighted end.
OR you can go super-douche and ask someone to stand on the other end, but if you’re rowing less than 6 plates, this makes you look like a total toolbox if it is a stranger.
[quote]JoabSonOfZeruiah wrote:
Ive thought of doing them old school with a v grip bar I just don’t know what to do with the non weighted end.[/quote]
Put it in a corner, and put a 45 or heavy dumbell on the non-weighted end.
OR you can go super-douche and ask someone to stand on the other end, but if you’re rowing less than 6 plates, this makes you look like a total toolbox if it is a stranger. [/quote]
I’ve gone as heavy as 9 plates on tbars with just an 80 lbs DB on the unweighted end, with the bar up against a flat wall, not in a corner. Didn’t budge.
[quote]JoabSonOfZeruiah wrote:
Ive thought of doing them old school with a v grip bar I just don’t know what to do with the non weighted end.[/quote]
Put it in a corner, and put a 45 or heavy dumbell on the non-weighted end.
OR you can go super-douche and ask someone to stand on the other end, but if you’re rowing less than 6 plates, this makes you look like a total toolbox if it is a stranger. [/quote]
I’ve gone as heavy as 9 plates on tbars with just an 80 lbs DB on the unweighted end, with the bar up against a flat wall, not in a corner. Didn’t budge. [/quote]
[quote]JoabSonOfZeruiah wrote:
Ive thought of doing them old school with a v grip bar I just don’t know what to do with the non weighted end.[/quote]
Put it in a corner, and put a 45 or heavy dumbell on the non-weighted end.
OR you can go super-douche and ask someone to stand on the other end, but if you’re rowing less than 6 plates, this makes you look like a total toolbox if it is a stranger. [/quote]
I’ve gone as heavy as 9 plates on tbars with just an 80 lbs DB on the unweighted end, with the bar up against a flat wall, not in a corner. Didn’t budge. [/quote]
Well you didnt go super-douche then =([/quote]
Talking about the corner part? I try to keep a good rep in my gym, since I’m in it so often, it’s always good to have gym employees that like you when it’s one of 2 decent gyms on base…so I avoid putting holes in walls.
[quote]JoabSonOfZeruiah wrote:
Ive thought of doing them old school with a v grip bar I just don’t know what to do with the non weighted end.[/quote]
Put it in a corner, and put a 45 or heavy dumbell on the non-weighted end.
OR you can go super-douche and ask someone to stand on the other end, but if you’re rowing less than 6 plates, this makes you look like a total toolbox if it is a stranger. [/quote]
I’ve gone as heavy as 9 plates on tbars with just an 80 lbs DB on the unweighted end, with the bar up against a flat wall, not in a corner. Didn’t budge. [/quote]
Well you didnt go super-douche then =([/quote]
Talking about the corner part? I try to keep a good rep in my gym, since I’m in it so often, it’s always good to have gym employees that like you when it’s one of 2 decent gyms on base…so I avoid putting holes in walls. [/quote]
No, having someone (not your training partner) stand on the end, lol.
[quote]JoabSonOfZeruiah wrote:
Ive thought of doing them old school with a v grip bar I just don’t know what to do with the non weighted end.[/quote]
Put it in a corner, and put a 45 or heavy dumbell on the non-weighted end.
OR you can go super-douche and ask someone to stand on the other end, but if you’re rowing less than 6 plates, this makes you look like a total toolbox if it is a stranger. [/quote]
I’ve gone as heavy as 9 plates on tbars with just an 80 lbs DB on the unweighted end, with the bar up against a flat wall, not in a corner. Didn’t budge. [/quote]
Well you didnt go super-douche then =([/quote]
Talking about the corner part? I try to keep a good rep in my gym, since I’m in it so often, it’s always good to have gym employees that like you when it’s one of 2 decent gyms on base…so I avoid putting holes in walls. [/quote]
No, having someone (not your training partner) stand on the end, lol.[/quote]
Yea i never went that heavy, i did 7 plates awhile ago, but felt like i pulled something in my shoulder, so never did em again lol, but i simply had a 45 plate on it and it didnt move at all. A Guy standing on it is just…Super Douche…
I found a pulldown station tucked away at my gym that more or less allows me to do a pullover type movement from higher above my head than eye level (long cable so the stack doesn’t slam into the top when I try). Watching one of those livespill videos where CT told the guys to crunch at the end range inspired me to try it. A week and a half later, and now I have some lower lat peeking out under my serratus when I hit a front lat pose… Lame? Maybe, but I’m really fired up about it!! Ha!
[quote]RELAED wrote:
I’d like to hear the big guys (h4m, CC, akuma, waylander etc) views on t bar rows. They don’t seem to get much of a mention on this thread but I always thought they were a classic - your thoughts? [/quote]
I like them but I can’t really find a place for them in my back routine lately. Typically, after doing pullups, BB row and Pendlay row I just don’t have the gas left to do something as taxing as heavy t-bars so I don’t end up doing them.
I might start alternating t-bars and BB rows every week though.
[quote]RELAED wrote:
I’d like to hear the big guys (h4m, CC, akuma, waylander etc) views on t bar rows. They don’t seem to get much of a mention on this thread but I always thought they were a classic - your thoughts? [/quote]
I like them but I can’t really find a place for them in my back routine lately. Typically, after doing pullups, BB row and Pendlay row I just don’t have the gas left to do something as taxing as heavy t-bars so I don’t end up doing them.
I might start alternating t-bars and BB rows every week though.[/quote]
That’s how I look at them…they’re something to start a workout with, not finish.
[quote]RELAED wrote:
I’d like to hear the big guys (h4m, CC, akuma, waylander etc) views on t bar rows. They don’t seem to get much of a mention on this thread but I always thought they were a classic - your thoughts? [/quote]
I like them but I can’t really find a place for them in my back routine lately. Typically, after doing pullups, BB row and Pendlay row I just don’t have the gas left to do something as taxing as heavy t-bars so I don’t end up doing them.
I might start alternating t-bars and BB rows every week though.[/quote]
That’s how I look at them…they’re something to start a workout with, not finish. [/quote]
Oh definitely, Tbars are something you have to pyramid into, lol i learned that the hard way. I did them at the end of my routine and was bumping by 90+lbs a set. Think that was the only time ive ever pulled a muscle (i believe it was my infraspinatus)
[quote]RELAED wrote:
I’d like to hear the big guys (h4m, CC, akuma, waylander etc) views on t bar rows. They don’t seem to get much of a mention on this thread but I always thought they were a classic - your thoughts? [/quote]
I like them but I can’t really find a place for them in my back routine lately. Typically, after doing pullups, BB row and Pendlay row I just don’t have the gas left to do something as taxing as heavy t-bars so I don’t end up doing them.
I might start alternating t-bars and BB rows every week though.[/quote]
That’s how I look at them…they’re something to start a workout with, not finish. [/quote]
Oh definitely, Tbars are something you have to pyramid into, lol i learned that the hard way. I did them at the end of my routine and was bumping by 90+lbs a set. Think that was the only time ive ever pulled a muscle (i believe it was my infraspinatus)[/quote]
Hmm, I usually jump by 70-90 lbs per set, haven’t had issues YET. It takes so damn long if I add one 45 at a time haha.
[quote]RELAED wrote:
I’d like to hear the big guys (h4m, CC, akuma, waylander etc) views on t bar rows. They don’t seem to get much of a mention on this thread but I always thought they were a classic - your thoughts? [/quote]
I like them but I can’t really find a place for them in my back routine lately. Typically, after doing pullups, BB row and Pendlay row I just don’t have the gas left to do something as taxing as heavy t-bars so I don’t end up doing them.
I might start alternating t-bars and BB rows every week though.[/quote]
That’s how I look at them…they’re something to start a workout with, not finish. [/quote]
Oh definitely, Tbars are something you have to pyramid into, lol i learned that the hard way. I did them at the end of my routine and was bumping by 90+lbs a set. Think that was the only time ive ever pulled a muscle (i believe it was my infraspinatus)[/quote]
Hmm, I usually jump by 70-90 lbs per set, haven’t had issues YET. It takes so damn long if I add one 45 at a time haha. [/quote]
eh it was towards the end of my exercise, when i shouldve been teetering down to the 1 plate bumps.
[quote]thogue wrote:
Wondering if anybody has some input on db rows, doing them with a knee on a bench vs. doing them standing at more of an upright position, like in this video -
Any difference in muscles used/effectiveness? I have normally done them with knee on bench but am probably going to try something like the one in the video since I normally don’t feel it in the lat very much. I am guessing the standing version lends itself to a more strict motion rather than pumping weight?[/quote]
I do DB rows standing (leaning one arm on the rack or an incline bench) when I am going heavy (~6 reps)because it actually allows me to use more weight, even with very strict form. I think it probably involves the traps more rather than lats because i’m at a higher angle.
It think it was cephalic carnage who recomended pulling them to the hip with less elbow flexion to hit the lats more, which I really felt when I tried them.
Does anybody do any exercises specifically to target the lower part of the lats? I’ve been trying a fairly close underhand grip pulldown for it, but I haven’t seen much for it results wise. So does anybody have any exercices they do for the lower portion of the lats?
[quote]KLIM wrote:
Does anybody do any exercises specifically to target the lower part of the lats? I’ve been trying a fairly close underhand grip pulldown for it, but I haven’t seen much for it results wise. So does anybody have any exercices they do for the lower portion of the lats?[/quote]
I’m looking at the pic in your avatar and I don’t think your “lower lats” are the problem. You just don’t have enough overall size yet in that area. You need more lat width overall, not just the “lower” area.