So, if you’re in a swing state, I suggest you vote McCain to prevent Obama making things worse; if you are not in a swing state, I suggest voting for Barr or Paul to send a message to the Republicans, most of whom have strayed far from the party’s conservative roots.
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This is the best advice. I am in a swing state so I am holding my nose and voting McCain.
I am not a Paul fan, too many things about him bother me but he is a good message vote if you are not in a swing state.
[quote]PRCalDude wrote:
Lately, all I see IQ doing is expanding the capacity of leaders to harm. [/quote]
Intelligence is helpful, but not sufficient to an effective presidency. Not only is Obama intelligent, but he seems to have the intellectual integrity and rigor that Bush lacked. He surrounds himself with a diversity of opinions and actually welcomes alternate viewpoints, contrary to Bush’s cadre of bobbleheads.
The “diversity of opinions” you refer to appear to include those of Wright, Rezko, Ayers, and Farrakhan (racists, mobsters, murderers and antisemites).
If he were so welcoming of alternate viewpoints, as you suggest, he wouldn’t be having his goons running around trying to silence alternate viewpoints, as he’s now attempting to do with McCain and Palin, and as he did with David Freddoso. In other words, “diversity of opinions” for Obama are fine, as long as they already agree with his.
[quote]Sloth wrote:
forlife wrote:
Yes, I’m taking a stand. I voted on Sunday for Obama, and can’t wait to see someone with intelligence, diplomacy, and common sense living in the white house.
Ouch. Going to be a disapoining 4 years for you.[/quote]
Indeed, for even if Obama is all that, plus a bag of chips, it will not make a lick of difference.
[quote]PRCalDude wrote:
The “diversity of opinions” you refer to appear to include those of Wright, Rezko, Ayers, and Farrakhan (racists, mobsters, murderers and antisemites).
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Better to understand your enemy in order to persuade or defeat him, rather than arrogantly insist that you are always right and refuse to listen to alternate viewpoints.
[quote]katzenjammer wrote:
You shouldn’t have voted for Obama/Biden then - both of them have had some pretty clueless and even dangerous ideas regarding Iraq. [/quote]
Had it not been for Bush, we wouldn’t be in Iraq in the first place.
[quote]forlife wrote:
katzenjammer wrote:
You shouldn’t have voted for Obama/Biden then - both of them have had some pretty clueless and even dangerous ideas regarding Iraq.
Had it not been for Bush, we wouldn’t be in Iraq in the first place.
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Had it not been for almost every fucking democrat in congress voting for war with Iraq, we wouldn’t be there either.
GO check the votes.
It’s really funny that you are whining about the war that Biden wanted.
Seriously, you need to update your talking points. You are about 5 years behind the curve.
[quote]forlife wrote:
katzenjammer wrote:
You shouldn’t have voted for Obama/Biden then - both of them have had some pretty clueless and even dangerous ideas regarding Iraq.
Had it not been for Bush, we wouldn’t be in Iraq in the first place.
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Well, we’re there now. And McCain, whatever else you want to say about him, was right about troop levels from the beginning; and about the surge.
Conversely, Obama and Biden have been wrong about Iraq just about every time they open their mouths about it.
[quote]Headhunter wrote:
FightinIrish26 wrote:
LOL. Keep wearing those tin foil hats motherfuckers, and “making your stand”.
All this shit be done on Tuesday…and then in three months, it’s “President Obama”.
It’s going to be good to hear.
As Lord Cornwallis laments at the end of the clip I posted above, you just might be wondering how you lost.
Americans are unique. Most of us fled Europe to get away from Europeans and their style of social system. I suspect that our ‘European experiment’ will end quickly.
If you want a Socialist leader, move to Sweden. Lixy probably would like you for a roommate.
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You’re an idiot. They fled Europe to get away from monarchies and religious persecution, as well as to find gold and wealth.
[quote]rainjack wrote:
Had it not been for almost every fucking democrat in congress voting for war with Iraq, we wouldn’t be there either. [/quote]
I never said the democrats were blameless. My point was that without Bush driving it, the war never would have happened. Had Obama been in office, we wouldn’t be in Iraq today.
[quote]katzenjammer wrote:
Conversely, Obama and Biden have been wrong about Iraq just about every time they open their mouths about it.
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Biden was wrong, but Obama wasn’t. Obama voted against going into Iraq in the first place, and if people had listened we wouldn’t be in the mess we are in now.
[quote]forlife wrote:
katzenjammer wrote:
Conversely, Obama and Biden have been wrong about Iraq just about every time they open their mouths about it.
Biden was wrong, but Obama wasn’t. Obama voted against going into Iraq in the first place, and if people had listened we wouldn’t be in the mess we are in now.
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[quote]forlife wrote:
katzenjammer wrote:
Conversely, Obama and Biden have been wrong about Iraq just about every time they open their mouths about it.
Biden was wrong, but Obama wasn’t. Obama voted against going into Iraq in the first place, and if people had listened we wouldn’t be in the mess we are in now.
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how do you know this? How long to you think nato would have been strung along? We certainly wouldn’t have gone in as early, but you have no idea that we wouldn’t have gone in.
Jesus H. Christ. Let’s see socialism (unless you want to count certain Christian experiments in communitarianism) did not really exist as a force until about the mid 19th century (Marx wrote his Economic and Philosophic Manuscripts in 1848). The Paris Commune came together in 1871.
If McCain and Palin win on Tuesday, I might be looking on Craig’s list for a flat in Stockholm.
"To the glory of mankind, there was, for the first and only time in history, a country of money–and I have no higher, more reverent tribute to pay to America, for this means: a country of reason, justice, freedom, production, achievement.
For the first time, man’s mind and money were set free, and there were no fortunes-by-conquest, but only fortunes-by-work, and instead of swordsmen and slaves, there appeared the real maker of wealth, the greatest worker, the highest type of human being–the self-made man–the American industrialist.
"If you ask me to name the proudest distinction of Americans, I would choose–because it contains all the others–the fact that they were the people who created the phrase ‘to make money.’
No other language or nation had ever used these words before; men had always thought of wealth as a static quantity–to be seized, begged, inherited, shared, looted or obtained as a favor. Americans were the first to understand that wealth has to be created. The words ‘to make money’ hold the essence of human morality."