“And David put his hand into his bag and took from it a stone and slung it, and struck the Philistine on his forehead. And the stone sank into his forehead, so that he fell on his face to the ground.”
Time to make your stand…
[quote]forlife wrote:
katzenjammer wrote:
Conversely, Obama and Biden have been wrong about Iraq just about every time they open their mouths about it.
Biden was wrong, but Obama wasn’t. Obama voted against going into Iraq in the first place, and if people had listened we wouldn’t be in the mess we are in now.
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He wasn’t in the US congress to vote for or against going to Iraq.
But then again, you are voting for the dipshit who thinks there is 57 states with a running mate who thinks FDR was president in '29.
Whatever you make of George W. Bush’s political vices, they won’t be improved under an Obama administration.
Cronyism? See Fannie Mae.
Spending? See anything related to Obama’s proposals.
K Street politics? See the Democrats’ insistence on having pork remain the currency of the realm.
Partisanship? There isn’t an ounce of rational faith that a triumvirate of Obama-Pelosi-Reid won’t ram their new vision for a “progressive” utopia down the throats of the American people…and even the Blue Dog Democrats are worried about it.
Engaged militarily across the globe? See Obama’s backing of humanitarian interventions.
Whatever your plaint of Bush, he was many things - and the bad things will only be be exaggerated under an Obama administration and Democratic Congress.
[quote]forlife wrote:
katzenjammer wrote:
Conversely, Obama and Biden have been wrong about Iraq just about every time they open their mouths about it.
Biden was wrong, but Obama wasn’t. Obama voted against going into Iraq in the first place, and if people had listened we wouldn’t be in the mess we are in now.
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When did Obama vote against going into Iraq? He wasn’t even a senator in '03. You’re no different from those that say that Iraq had something to do with 9/11.
mike
[quote]Headhunter wrote:
“And David put his hand into his bag and took from it a stone and slung it, and struck the Philistine on his forehead. And the stone sank into his forehead, so that he fell on his face to the ground.”
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After which, let’s not forget, David slew his ten thousand Philistines, and went on to be an even worse tyrant than the despot Saul who had preceded him.
Just sayin’.
[quote]thunderbolt23 wrote:
Whatever you make of George W. Bush’s political vices, they won’t be improved under an Obama administration.
Cronyism? See Fannie Mae.
Spending? See anything related to Obama’s proposals.
K Street politics? See the Democrats’ insistence on having pork remain the currency of the realm.
Partisanship? There isn’t an ounce of rational faith that a triumvirate of Obama-Pelosi-Reid won’t ram their new vision for a “progressive” utopia down the throats of the American people…and even the Blue Dog Democrats are worried about it.
Engaged militarily across the globe? See Obama’s backing of humanitarian interventions.
Whatever your plaint of Bush, he was many things - and the bad things will only be be exaggerated under an Obama administration and Democratic Congress.[/quote]
Agreed on all points. But it would be tough to top Bush on sheer incompetence.
The Fourth International
[quote]Vegita wrote:
How did I know you were going to not tell him the meaning. As soon as he asked fot it, I was like, Hell dude, you got a better chance at winning the powerball. Rainjack, the truth is that there is no “definition” of Neo-Con, it simply means New Conservative.
There isn’t one particular trait that makes one a neo-con, but rather several can be combined to make one more Neo-Con, than Paleo-con, or Old conservative. One could have Neo-Con views and Paleo_con views. In Fact almost everyone is a mix, it just depends on what issues someone sides with the Neo-cons that makes them dangerous.
I would say Cheny and Rove, are about the Purest forms of Neo-Con there is. So the closer your views are to Those two guys, the more Neo-Con, you are, The closer your views are to Ron paul, Regan, Teddy Roosevelt, Coolidge etc… The closer you are to a paleo conservative.
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One thing for sure – real, actual, honest to goodness Communists founded Neoconservatism
The Fraud of Neoconservative “Anti-Communism”
It is a well-established fact that many of the early luminaries of neoconservatism (most famously Irving Kristol in the 1940’s, a more recent famous example being David Horowitz) came from Marxist backgrounds, and that neoconservatism (like Marxism itself) began and continues to be largely a phenomenon of Jewish intellectualism…
http://www.originaldissent.com/shpak051502.html
Irving Kristol (born January 22, 1920) is an American philospher, considered the founder of American neoconservatism. He is married to conservative author and emerita professor Gertrude Himmelfarb and is the father of William Kristol…
Kristol was born in Brooklyn, New York City, into an orthodox Jewish family. However, he maintains that belief had nothing to do with his family’s observance. He earned his B.A. in History from the City College of New York in 1940, where he was an active Trotskyist.
Before graduating, he met Gertrude Himmelfarb at a Trotskyist meeting, and they married on January 18, 1942. He wrote in 1983 that he was “proud” to have been a member of the Fourth International in 1940…
Kristol suggests of himself, “Ever since I can remember, I’ve been a neo-something: a neo-Marxist, a neo-Trotskyist, a neo-liberal, a neo-conservative; in religion a neo-orthodox even while I was a neo-Trotskyist and a neo-Marxist. I’m going to end up a neo-that’s all, neo dash nothing.”
Met his wife (WIlliam “always wrong” Kristol’s mom) at a Trotsky meeting – thats so classic.
The Fourth International (FI) is an international communist organisation which opposes both capitalism and Stalinism. Consisting of followers of Leon Trotsky, it is dedicated to helping the working class bring about socialism. [Irving Kristol, founder of American neoconservatism, proud to have been a member]
Then of course, David “Islamofascism” Horowitz…
David Joel Horowitz (born January 10, 1939) is an American conservative writer and activist.
David Horowitz was born in 1939 to a Jewish family in Forest Hills, a neighborhood of the New York City borough of Queens.
His parents were long-standing members of the Communist Party. While still identifying as a Marxist, Horowitz, like many other left wing figures of his generation, sought to distance himself from the Soviet Union. In the 1960s he was employed as a political aide to Bertrand Russell.
At this time, Horowitz was a close friend and associate of Marxist historian Isaac Deutscher. Horowitz wrote a biography of Deutscher in 1971.
Horowitz was a confidant of Black Panthers leader Huey P. Newton, and provided legal and financial assistance to the black revolutionary organization.
FrontPage Magazine (also known as FRONTPAGEMAG.COM) is an online conservative political magazine, edited by David Horowitz and is published by the David Horowitz Freedom Center (DHFC) (formerly the Center for the Study of Public Culture), a non-profit organization in Los Angeles, California.
It is a publication presenting a conservative viewpoint on various subjects.
[quote]“It is bad enough that Russian Bolshevism, Communism, should be so predominantly Jewish, but to confront the same situation in the United States is a problem which Jewish leaders have to use much ingenuity and deception to explain away or avoid”[/quote]
– Henry Ford, 1921
Obviously Obama wasn’t in the U.S. Senate in 2003. I was referring to his adamant public opposition to going into Iraq, despite the large majority of politicians following Bush’s lies like lemmings.
I didn’t say he voted against it as a U.S. Senator, fuckass. I voted against it too, did you?