I mean, just watching those videos, when I imagine the horror and pain of being executed in that fashion, screaming as they slice your neck and pull on your head. Fuck them. Seriously, fuck them. I want to shoot those sick motherfuckers in the face my with shotgun, which is way more humane than that they did to those contractors.
[quote]Michael570 wrote:
Liv92 wrote:
I fucking hate all religion. It’s nothing but a LIE. There is no god, if there is PROVE IT!
Please explain how physical matter came into existence. Spontaneous?[/quote]
I crack up when people try to tell me that everything is just coincidental, the big bang is the answer, and evolution explains everything.
[quote]elano wrote:
Michael570 wrote:
Liv92 wrote:
I fucking hate all religion. It’s nothing but a LIE. There is no god, if there is PROVE IT!
Please explain how physical matter came into existence. Spontaneous?
I crack up when people try to tell me that everything is just coincidental, the big bang is the answer, and evolution explains everything.[/quote]
I crack up when people think that mankinds inability to answer certain questions automatically means that their branch of superstition is the TRUTH.
[quote]orion wrote:
elano wrote:
Michael570 wrote:
Liv92 wrote:
I fucking hate all religion. It’s nothing but a LIE. There is no god, if there is PROVE IT!
Please explain how physical matter came into existence. Spontaneous?
I crack up when people try to tell me that everything is just coincidental, the big bang is the answer, and evolution explains everything.
I crack up when people think that mankinds inability to answer certain questions automatically means that their branch of superstition is the TRUTH.
[/quote]
maybe it doesn’t make it truth, but being the only explanation to a basic question everyone asks makes it at least less laughable.
[quote]Michael570 wrote:
DoubleDuce wrote:
Never heard of the council, no surprise.
However, I happen to agree with most of that. I believe the rolls of men and women to be different. I believe that we are different and complimentary in nature. None of that however means Superior or inferior.
It is the citizens role in life to be submissive to the police. I believe it their duty to co-operate with law enforcement.
I do not however believe a regular citizen to be inferior to a cop.
I guess you are against sexually segregated bathrooms then. Since men and women aren’t different.
To each his own then.
But it was a nice attempt at spinning thousands of years of indoctrinated subservience of women to men. They’re not inferior, they just have the submissive role. And God says so. OK.
[/quote]
According to the bible everyone should be submissive. Everyone is supposed to serve others. You singling out passages and then extrapolating that women are somehow unique in their submissive roll is erroneous.
its not fair to judge everyone by one persons actions.He wasnt praying which is obvious, hes just a pathetic little man.
[quote]elano wrote:
Michael570 wrote:
Liv92 wrote:
I fucking hate all religion. It’s nothing but a LIE. There is no god, if there is PROVE IT!
Please explain how physical matter came into existence. Spontaneous?
I crack up when people try to tell me that everything is just coincidental, the big bang is the answer, and evolution explains everything.[/quote]
To all those who deny Devine Intervention of any kind… My question–since energy can neither be created nor destroyed–is this: who started “life”? Even if evolution is your religion, you’d have to come up with the answer to "who created the very first cell division (or the beginning of “life”)?
At the very basic level, how did it start? And don’t tell me that cell division just “happened”.
“Although Earth was created around 4.5 billion years ago, life began to exist not long after. Due to the huge timescales involved, there is inconclusive evidence for exact dates, but nonetheless, the eagerness of life to exist was apparent from the beginning.”
Does “eagerness” come from dust and mud?
Man and woman have two distinct rolls and neither is more or less important than the other, just different.
That’s what I learned from going to church for so many years. That’s what I was taught by my parents actions and that’s what I teach my two kids.
I’d hate to belong to a culture or religion where this wasn’t so.
It takes a confident man to accept equals in life, maybe that’s the real issue here. Any organized movement that sees women as less than equal is pretty pathetic to me. I mean, what are you lacking in yourself when you treat women as subserviant? Losers.
[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
There is a difference between the actual religion and it’s normal institutions. I have no problems with an individual or their beliefs in Islam. I do have a problems with institutions that promote or at least tolerate these things.
Judaism and Christianity have had their institutions do horrible things. The difference of course being that most of that was back in the middle ages or earlier. Both Christian and Jewish institutions moved to snuff out this kind of barbarism long long ago, Islam really hasn’t.
So I do have a problem with Islam but as an institution.
You could also divide this among culture lines. I have a serious problem with cultures that tolerate wife abuse and these sorts of things, a lot of middle eastern cultures included. But once again I differentiate between culture and individual. I can take issue with say Arab culture, without indicting individual Arabs in general.
[/quote]
Nice post!
I can really appreciate it.
I , too, have many problems with Islam as an institution. And I’m a Muslim!
Reading stories of what some monsters have done to women in places like Iran and Saudi Arabia makes me sick! These are supposed to be such great Islamic countries with infallible Islamic law, however, they are full of corruption, stretching of the Quran and odd interpretatons of the Quran. Just look at the Iranian elections… complete abuse by the ‘holy’ leaders there.
I won’t be participating in the traditional Islamic pilgrimage to Mecca for the sole reason it lays in Saudi Arabia. I don’t want to support such a nation/culture that promotes such horrible ideologies and oppression of women.
It might be worth mentioning though, I was never a very religious person and never really will be. I have my beliefs but I will never get so into it as some people do.
My fiance’s family causes me alot of anger and frustration with how they treat my fiance. Her brother is treated wonderfully and is spoiled rotten. My fiance, however, has to do some of the most idiotic chores I’ve ever heard of in my life. She practically does everything for her father from the time he wakes up until he sleeps. The man is so ridiculously lazy he forces her to do such petty and degrading things as taking his socks off of him and into the hamper.
I hate that man and really wouldn’t mind if he just keeled over. It’s just such bullshit. I can’t wait for this year to be over so I can get her out of that house and away from that shit.
I do get indignant when huge, broad generalizations are made about Muslims and I appreciate it when somebody like yourself is intelligent enough to recognize there is a difference between a culture and an individual.
Thanks.
[quote]derek wrote:
elano wrote:
Michael570 wrote:
Liv92 wrote:
I fucking hate all religion. It’s nothing but a LIE. There is no god, if there is PROVE IT!
Please explain how physical matter came into existence. Spontaneous?
I crack up when people try to tell me that everything is just coincidental, the big bang is the answer, and evolution explains everything.
To all those who deny Devine Intervention of any kind… My question–since energy can neither be created nor destroyed–is this: who started “life”? Even if evolution is your religion, you’d have to come up with the answer to "who created the very first cell division (or the beginning of “life”)?
At the very basic level, how did it start? And don’t tell me that cell division just “happened”.
“Although Earth was created around 4.5 billion years ago, life began to exist not long after. Due to the huge timescales involved, there is inconclusive evidence for exact dates, but nonetheless, the eagerness of life to exist was apparent from the beginning.”
Does “eagerness” come from dust and mud?
[/quote]
Ummm…simply put…yes it does.
It is possible to create RNA out of a surprisingly simple chemical solution of elements that were very abundant in the primordial soup that existed during the first billion or so years after Earth’s crust cooled. All you really need to do is input enough electricity to get the hydrogen atoms to bond and you have a simple bio structure.
I have seen it done in a laboratory. Sure the bible tells a more interesting story, but this one is lees “laughable” in my opinion.
[quote]countingbeans wrote:
DoubleDuce wrote:
Liv92 wrote:
I fucking hate all religion. It’s nothing but a LIE. There is no god, if there is PROVE IT!
You exist.
Come up with a better hypothesis for it’s explanation.
This should lead to an interesting exchange, due to the fact that you two represent opposite sides of the intelligence spectrum.[/quote]
Why the fuck are you on my dick in every thread? Seriously back the fuck off.
I didn’t feel like getting into it so I left it plain and simple.
[quote]Liv92 wrote:
countingbeans wrote:
DoubleDuce wrote:
Liv92 wrote:
I fucking hate all religion. It’s nothing but a LIE. There is no god, if there is PROVE IT!
You exist.
Come up with a better hypothesis for it’s explanation.
This should lead to an interesting exchange, due to the fact that you two represent opposite sides of the intelligence spectrum.
Why the fuck are you on my dick in every thread? Seriously back the fuck off.
I didn’t feel like getting into it so I left it plain and simple. [/quote]
Probably because you make some of the most ignorant posts on this site of late. Here’s were you talk about my chin not having muscles, and how you will kick my ass, or call me gay because I look at pictures of muscular men. You act like a punk bitch, so I treat you like one, plain and simple.
And you left it alone because your shockingly smart enough to know that you couldn’t keep up with DD in a discussion about fucking dandelions.
[quote]zoso764 wrote:
derek wrote:
elano wrote:
Michael570 wrote:
Liv92 wrote:
I fucking hate all religion. It’s nothing but a LIE. There is no god, if there is PROVE IT!
Please explain how physical matter came into existence. Spontaneous?
I crack up when people try to tell me that everything is just coincidental, the big bang is the answer, and evolution explains everything.
To all those who deny Devine Intervention of any kind… My question–since energy can neither be created nor destroyed–is this: who started “life”? Even if evolution is your religion, you’d have to come up with the answer to "who created the very first cell division (or the beginning of “life”)?
At the very basic level, how did it start? And don’t tell me that cell division just “happened”.
“Although Earth was created around 4.5 billion years ago, life began to exist not long after. Due to the huge timescales involved, there is inconclusive evidence for exact dates, but nonetheless, the eagerness of life to exist was apparent from the beginning.”
Does “eagerness” come from dust and mud?
Ummm…simply put…yes it does.
It is possible to create RNA out of a surprisingly simple chemical solution of elements that were very abundant in the primordial soup that existed during the first billion or so years after Earth’s crust cooled. All you really need to do is input enough electricity to get the hydrogen atoms to bond and you have a simple bio structure.
I have seen it done in a laboratory. Sure the bible tells a more interesting story, but this one is lees “laughable” in my opinion.[/quote]
This/
[quote]RSGZ wrote:
zoso764 wrote:
derek wrote:
elano wrote:
Michael570 wrote:
Liv92 wrote:
I fucking hate all religion. It’s nothing but a LIE. There is no god, if there is PROVE IT!
Please explain how physical matter came into existence. Spontaneous?
I crack up when people try to tell me that everything is just coincidental, the big bang is the answer, and evolution explains everything.
To all those who deny Devine Intervention of any kind… My question–since energy can neither be created nor destroyed–is this: who started “life”? Even if evolution is your religion, you’d have to come up with the answer to "who created the very first cell division (or the beginning of “life”)?
At the very basic level, how did it start? And don’t tell me that cell division just “happened”.
“Although Earth was created around 4.5 billion years ago, life began to exist not long after. Due to the huge timescales involved, there is inconclusive evidence for exact dates, but nonetheless, the eagerness of life to exist was apparent from the beginning.”
Does “eagerness” come from dust and mud?
Ummm…simply put…yes it does.
It is possible to create RNA out of a surprisingly simple chemical solution of elements that were very abundant in the primordial soup that existed during the first billion or so years after Earth’s crust cooled. All you really need to do is input enough electricity to get the hydrogen atoms to bond and you have a simple bio structure.
I have seen it done in a laboratory. Sure the bible tells a more interesting story, but this one is lees “laughable” in my opinion.
This/[/quote]
That to my knowledge doesn’t contradict the bible, much less if you read it as allegory.
[quote]Michael570 wrote:
Liv92 wrote:
I fucking hate all religion. It’s nothing but a LIE. There is no god, if there is PROVE IT!
Please explain how physical matter came into existence. Spontaneous?[/quote]
can you explain this?
“god” is your answer?
im not claiming i know it all, or hardly any of it for that matter, but unless your “god” is different than that of typical faiths i don’t think that’s an acceptable answer.
[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
Liv92 wrote:
I fucking hate all religion. It’s nothing but a LIE. There is no god, if there is PROVE IT!
You exist.
Come up with a better hypothesis for it’s explanation.[/quote]
I’m not sure how saying that a supreme being created us is a good hypothesis to begin with. What you’re stating with the God hypothesis is that there exist a consciousness/being that resides outside of all natural laws of the universe. If it doesn’t adhere to the natural laws, it’s existence cannot be disproved, and thus the God hypothesis is not valid. It cannot be tested.
Any hypothesis that CAN be tested regarding our existence or the nature of the universe is superior to the God hypothesis. From a scientific perspecive, evolution is better than creation because experiments can be designed to test the hypothesis. The big bang is better than Genesis because evidence can be predetermined and sought out based on the theory.
I’m not saying that God doesn’t exist, but please don’t pretend that the religious version of creation is a hypothesis or theory or anything of that kind.
[quote]derek wrote:
elano wrote:
Michael570 wrote:
Liv92 wrote:
I fucking hate all religion. It’s nothing but a LIE. There is no god, if there is PROVE IT!
Please explain how physical matter came into existence. Spontaneous?
I crack up when people try to tell me that everything is just coincidental, the big bang is the answer, and evolution explains everything.
To all those who deny Devine Intervention of any kind… My question–since energy can neither be created nor destroyed–is this: who started “life”? Even if evolution is your religion, you’d have to come up with the answer to "who created the very first cell division (or the beginning of “life”)?
At the very basic level, how did it start? And don’t tell me that cell division just “happened”.
“Although Earth was created around 4.5 billion years ago, life began to exist not long after. Due to the huge timescales involved, there is inconclusive evidence for exact dates, but nonetheless, the eagerness of life to exist was apparent from the beginning.”
Does “eagerness” come from dust and mud?
[/quote]
yea, when it revolves around a sun it does. then over a couple million years it starts to evolve.
the answer to where existence came from, according to modern physicists is that gravity, strong nuclear, weak nuclear, and electromagnetic forces combined and created the universe. i don’t know a lot of details cause im not a physicist and nor know a ton about the subject in general.
there is so much information out there we can’t even begin to process, so much out there we haven’t discovered. we are a long, long way from having everything figured out. no one even knew the earth revolved around the sun until the 1600s. soooo yea.
the God hypothesis will only take you as far as the big bang
examples
god created the universe and everything in it … who created god?
the big bang created the universe and everything it it through gravity, weak nuclear, strong nuclear, and electromagnetic forces … where did those forces come from? where did other particles in the space come from?
it’s comforting for people to believe in these things, it helps alleviate fear of death because you believe that you will go to heaven.
it helps push through hard times because you believe the lord will save you and turn things around, just any day now…
people need something to hold on to during extreme situations, anyone who’s passed a psych 101 class will tell you that. for that reason i don’t see a problem with religion because it truly does help people and how can you argue that? does it coincide with science? no.
it’s like believing in santa clause as a kid. just believing in that character makes christmas 100x better, you know it. from going to the mall to sit on his lap, to watching the Grinch, to leaving out cookies and milk, it just makes the whole month of December magical. then you grow up and it isn’t “him” anymore at the mall, its a fat old guy, the movies are cheesy, and shit, you have to go see Aunt Margaret who drinks way too damn much and tells the same stories over and over.
my point is that while religion isn’t ‘true’ it does give people a positive outlook and probably makes their lives feel a lot more complete.
if you choose to ignore the facts of science, that is fine because unlike Santa Clause science doesn’t stop working just because you don’t believe in it anymore.
[quote]countingbeans wrote:
Liv92 wrote:
countingbeans wrote:
DoubleDuce wrote:
Liv92 wrote:
I fucking hate all religion. It’s nothing but a LIE. There is no god, if there is PROVE IT!
You exist.
Come up with a better hypothesis for it’s explanation.
This should lead to an interesting exchange, due to the fact that you two represent opposite sides of the intelligence spectrum.
Why the fuck are you on my dick in every thread? Seriously back the fuck off.
I didn’t feel like getting into it so I left it plain and simple.
Probably because you make some of the most ignorant posts on this site of late. Here’s were you talk about my chin not having muscles, and how you will kick my ass, or call me gay because I look at pictures of muscular men. You act like a punk bitch, so I treat you like one, plain and simple.
And you left it alone because your shockingly smart enough to know that you couldn’t keep up with DD in a discussion about fucking dandelions.[/quote]
When did I ever attack you? Seriously just stfu and mind your own.
And whats with being on DD’s nuts also? I’m glad you praised him so many times for being ‘smart.’
And i’m the punk bitch? Really? Your the one that goes from thread to thread talking shit.
Your a spineless coward that talks shit over the INTERNET.
-btw why would I really get into a religion debate over the internet?
[quote]LiveFromThe781 wrote:
the God hypothesis will only take you as far as the big bang
examples
god created the universe and everything in it … who created god?
the big bang created the universe and everything it it through gravity, weak nuclear, strong nuclear, and electromagnetic forces … where did those forces come from? where did other particles in the space come from?
it’s comforting for people to believe in these things, it helps alleviate fear of death because you believe that you will go to heaven.
it helps push through hard times because you believe the lord will save you and turn things around, just any day now…
people need something to hold on to during extreme situations, anyone who’s passed a psych 101 class will tell you that. for that reason i don’t see a problem with religion because it truly does help people and how can you argue that? does it coincide with science? no.
it’s like believing in santa clause as a kid. just believing in that character makes christmas 100x better, you know it. from going to the mall to sit on his lap, to watching the Grinch, to leaving out cookies and milk, it just makes the whole month of December magical. then you grow up and it isn’t “him” anymore at the mall, its a fat old guy, the movies are cheesy, and shit, you have to go see Aunt Margaret who drinks way too damn much and tells the same stories over and over.
my point is that while religion isn’t ‘true’ it does give people a positive outlook and probably makes their lives feel a lot more complete.
if you choose to ignore the facts of science, that is fine because unlike Santa Clause science doesn’t stop working just because you don’t believe in it anymore.[/quote]
This pretty much. I always use the Santa argument too.