I know that this has turned into more of a discussion about trolls, but something that I have discoveredin arm training-
Take some weight plates and a pair of Channel Locks. (you know what channel locks are, dont you? They are like giant slip joint pliers)
Hold the weight plates with the channel locks. Try to hold two weight plates with channel locks. I realize that it is static strength, but it really frys my grip.
[quote]OleyFermo wrote:
And here’s another example of the pussification of my arms in general and my forearms in particular.
Oley[/quote]
Is that Big Ben attatched to your wrist? Damn!
Oh this thread was a riot! Thanks for the laughs!
JW and Donut…
Thanks for the props. Hearing about what you younger men are doing keeps my interest alive and well, not only for lifting, but for the old time strongman stuff and highland games competition as well. I also like boxing and grappling.
JW… I’m gonna have to steal that line about ‘hard core fossil dick’ and put it on a T shirt. Told my workout partner when we were at the gym today that that’s what I wanted to shoot for in the workouts… becoming CEO of Hard Core Fossil Dicks, Inc.
I’ll post a pic of me in a skirt. I may as well admit to the OP that I’ve fallen into near total girldom and pussification. In the photo, the bar is set at 12 feet. The weight is 56 pounds and tossed upward with one hand. Competiting in this event requires no grip, of course. This toss went over the bar. And that’ll be the end of my thread hijack.
Back to forearms! I vary the workouts. Heavy weight and low reps some days, light weight and high reps on other days. Sometimes I’ll hit forearms twice a week for a month, then I might not do any forearm specific exercises for two or three months.
Wrist curls are good. So are reverse wrist curls. They’re both old standbys because they work. I like Lever work… wrist roller… COC grippers… thick bar work. One of my favorite exercises is to stand with a straight bar held in both hands… enough weight on the bar to suit me on any particular day. I open my hands slowly so that the bar is finally being held only with the last joints of the fingers. Then I close my hand completely and flex the wrist upward toward the body. Works the flexors through the entire ROM.
Another is (and if this sounds like a pussy exercise to Mr. 800 Pound Wrist Twitch, then he should try it =) to take two or three sheets of newsprint, place them one over the other on a table top, then pick them up by grabbing the middle of the sheets and crumpling them into a ball using only one hand. Don’t push the paper against anything and don’t touch it with the off hand. Try to crumple the paper into a ball so small that, when held in the palm, it can’t be seen from the back side of the hand. If you can do that with 4 sheets, ya either have huge hands or ya have a superhuman grip… or both. Doing the exercise twice with each hand is a good workout in and of itself.
Oley
Oley Fermo is like Wilford Brimley with a hangover and a switchblade.
Oley,
Glad you liked that Fossil Dick reference! That’s something I picked up in the Marines. We always called the old salty Gunnys fossil dicks.
Don’t know if you got a chance to see this, but here is a thread I posted about my favorite forearm/wrist tool.
[quote]harris447 wrote:
I would put good money on the fact that “mason33” is actually Mr. PushUps.[/quote]
That’s what I’m smellin’.
I missed good ole’ pushups. He was funny. I don’t remember him being so… angry. Come back with a vengeance, I suppose. Unresolved issues and a need for closure on his terms, I figure.
Classic Oley! Classic!
[quote]MGMF wrote:
harris447 wrote:
I would put good money on the fact that “mason33” is actually Mr. PushUps.
I would put good money that you are actually Mr.Push Ups. You are one of the biggest trolls here.
You, Chek, & Push ups are probably all the same person.[/quote]
That’s just dumb. Simply a “No I’m not, you are” first grade argument. harris447 has been here a long time. Trolls don’t last.
[quote]DPH wrote:
is troll quality control in order? what can be done to raise the entertainment level of some of the more vapid trolls?[/quote]
That is a good idea.
[quote]harris447 wrote:
Oley Fermo is like Wilford Brimley with a hangover and a switchblade.
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Hey Harris!
When did old Wilford B. ever look this hungover? And he can’t hold me a candle when it comes to blades… or ugly. =) Oh, man! When I woke up, I thought I was back in the jungle.
Oley
the fact that this thread is still going after i don’t know how many days is just disturbing…i tried reading some of the posts and it gave me a headache…to end this debate i decided to do some investigative work and got this picture of that mason kid…guess he wasn’t lying:) can we let this shit die now?..it’s just forearms…
[quote]OleyFermo wrote:
JW and Donut…
Thanks for the props. Hearing about what you younger men are doing keeps my interest alive and well, not only for lifting, but for the old time strongman stuff and highland games competition as well. I also like boxing and grappling.
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And it’s older men like you that are still hard core and balls to the wall that helps keep me motivated. Youth and vigor is no match for old age and treachery!
[quote]OleyFermo wrote:
harris447 wrote:
Oley Fermo is like Wilford Brimley with a hangover and a switchblade.
Hey Harris!
When did old Wilford B. ever look this hungover? And he can’t hold me a candle when it comes to blades… or ugly. =) Oh, man! When I woke up, I thought I was back in the jungle.
Oley
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All fucking around aside, I nominate Oley for a future Powerful Image.
I bet you have no trouble keeping those damn punk kids off your lawn. 
[quote]harris447 wrote:
OleyFermo wrote:
harris447 wrote:
Oley Fermo is like Wilford Brimley with a hangover and a switchblade.
Hey Harris!
When did old Wilford B. ever look this hungover? And he can’t hold me a candle when it comes to blades… or ugly. =) Oh, man! When I woke up, I thought I was back in the jungle.
Oley
All fucking around aside, I nominate Oley for a future Powerful Image.
I second that nomination, Stay Strong Oley.
[quote]OleyFermo wrote:
Lurked here for quite a while, but felt the need to post since I know when I’m hearing from a real forearm Guru. I’m a feeble old geezer here at age 59. At 6 feet and around 255-260, I’m merely a shell of my former youthful self. My pussified 18+ upper arms and even more pussified 15+ forearms can barely spoon enough pablum into my gob to maintain bodyweight.
And now I know where I went wrong. Instead of doing the occasional few sets of wrist curls… reverse wrist curls… grip work… levering work… and putting pretty good bends in 60 penny spikes, I should have been doing 800 pound behing-the-back wrist twiches in the power rack.
Like many others here, I’m ready to be blasted out of the frame IF YOU’LL JUST POST SOME PICS OF THOSE REAL T-MAN PIPES. Must be 22 inches by now since you’re probably up to 1,500 pounds in the behind the back rack wrist twiches.
I’ll try to post a pic of my pussified pipes just so that you’ll feel better knowing that if we ever shook hands, my pussified paw would be crushed in a grip of iron.
Oley
P.S. My wrists are a girly 8 1/4. Is that way too small to build real T-man forearms??? Is there any hope for me?
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This thread is worth reading JUST for this post. I’m glad I didn’t follow my instincts and log out after page one. Good work, man. I don’t think you get to use the word “feeble” though when your old ass is built like a brick shit house.
when i grow up, i want to be like Oley Fermo 
[quote]OleyFermo wrote:
Hey Harris!
When did old Wilford B. ever look this hungover? [/quote]
Nothing that a nice big, steaming bowl of oatmeal wouldn’t fix!
Seriously Oley, you are quite an inspiration. Thanks so much for the long-distance kick in the pants!
Regards,
Scott
I find myself at a loss for the appropriate words, gentlemen. You can believe me when I say that?s an unusual situation for an opinionated, grouchy-arsed old fossil dick. That Harris and Aussie would nominate me for a ?powerful image? is beyond my comprehension, but I nevertheless offer my sincere and most humble thanks to both men. And then to have Prof X come in with his post? well, as I said, I?m practically speechless. This man has posted some of the most sound training advice that I?ve read on T-Nation, or anywhere else for that matter.
There?s this, for sure: If you were all my offspring, I would indeed be a proud father. And since offspring should also have a father they can be proud of, I?ve decided to get off my duff and begin training in a serious way. The pics I posted (other than the one of me in the highland games) were taken after a three-year layoff? an old fat boy.
While practicing for one of the games events (the 56 pound weight thrown for distance), I planted my weight bearing foot incorrectly going into the final spin before releasing the weight. Things in my lower back went snap-crackle-n-pop. No big deal, I thought (hoped)? although later I began to experience numbness, tingling and burning in both feet. I continued to train, both the games events and with weights. My mainstay lift at the time was what I termed a ?trap-bar squat?. I built a steel platform on which weight could be stacked? anything from Olympic plates to concrete blocks. The handles on my version of the trap bar were just about the height of an Olympic bar when the trap bar was loaded with weight totaling over 400 pounds and set on two old tires used as a buffer between platform and concrete floor. All highland games heavy events, with the exception of the stone put, depend on pulling power. So pull I did. My best lift on the trap bar was 570 for a single, although I almost locked out 610. I?ve done 505 for ten reps and 425 for 25 reps was ?bird weight?. I should add that each rep was a ?single?. Lift? set the trap bar down? stand erect for about a five second pause? re-set and make another rep.
One evening I was doing the usual 425 for 25 reps warm-up. On about rep 23 I felt something go quite wrong? just felt weak all at once, although I finished the set and the workout without any difficulty. Next morning I was sore from the base of my skull to my ankles. It took two days for the pain to localize in my left hip. To make a long story short, I?d torn the piriformis muscle in my hip completely apart. I?ve spent the last three and a half years or so just rehabbing from injuries and illness. The docs say that I should never lift anything heavier than a canary, which is (of course) pure bullshit. Multiple MRI?s and CAT scans showed no spinal damage except the usual old man stuff? stenosis, very slightly bulging discs (but no sign of traumatic injury), etc. But they also showed a multitude of kidney stones? I?ve had them in the past? which needed to be taken care of ASAP. Between gimping around with sciatic pain from the muscle tear, burning feet from the stenosis and whatever happened to my spine while throwing the 56, AND having J stents in both kidneys for months while I underwent two laser treatments and two lithotripsy treatments to get rid of the stones? I can?t say as I felt much like training other than just farting around from time to time with the heavy duty home gym in my basement or doing some grip work? and on good days a little bit of boxing / grappling. But I did my morning walks, exercise bike work and stretching religiously. I don?t intend to be immobile for a few years yet.
A few weeks back, a long time friend of mine (old Marine? my age) asked me if I?d train him. He?s been lifting regularly for several years, but had made minimal gains in strength and almost none in the area of muscle building. When I asked why he wanted any training from me he said that he didn?t want to turn into an ?old man? just yet. I agreed and set up a warrior-training (hehehaha? ?warrior training? for 59 year old men) program, although I don?t like his gym? much prefer lifting in my basement dungeon. What my old jarhead buddy?s workouts lacked was intensity and a lack knowledge about body-feedback. He had no clue as to whether weight / reps were too much / too many or not enough / too few. But what he did have was a real desire to improve both strength and work capacity. In a bit over three weeks, his bodyweight has increased 6 pounds while his love handles have shrunk noticeably. His (as he calls them) old man shoulders are beginning to fill out and he?s tickled. So am I. His desire to improve was contagious? and so I?m back lifting again in a serious way. Lurking around T-Nation has always kept my interest in lifting alive? and now, working out with my old buddy, I feel like I?m back on the right track. I think I?ll post progress from time to time in the ?Over 35 forum?, just for giggles.
Lessons to be learned? Injuries (even when ?stupidity induced) need not end all training, and, along with aches and pains of old age, are just part of the game as the years go by. I certainly am not as strong, fast or enduring as I once was, but I am happier and much more content with life than I?ve ever been. Enjoy youth, but realize that middle and old age can also bring rewards.
Goals that I consider realistic for the next year:
Lose 25-30 pounds of whale blubber and maybe add some muscle.
Bench 315 X 6 reps, touch and go, 350-365 for one good single, raw.
140 one arm snatch
19 inch bi?s, cold
16 inch forearms, cold
Close the COC 3# (got that within about 1/2 inch of being closed the first time I tried it recently).
And, most important of all, ADD MORE WATTLES to my ugly puss. =)
Photo posted is a young Oley circa 1964. HUGE 14 inch bi’s. =)
To those of you who this thread hijacking ramble has bored beyond endurance, my apologies. To those of you who replied to my posts, thank you again for the inspiration you?ve provided, all the insightful and knowledgeable posts you?ve made to the forums, and especially for what I feel was a very warm welcome for an old fossil-dicked lurker.
Oley
PS? Harris! Keep the punk kids off my lawn?? Goodness no. I try to lure them in by shooting them a bird while traversing the yard with the aid of a walker, mumbling curses under my breath. I view them as a brief grip workout, then a very cheap (and apparently never-ending) source of protein. =)
PSS ? JW. Checked out your lever bar. That looks like an excellent piece of leverage equipment you?ve put together there. Inexpensive, versatile and effective is a hard combination to beat.
PSSS? Prof X. I?ll drop the use of the word ?feeble? and substitute ?insufficiently powerful?. LOL!! Thanks for all that extremely well thought out training advice! Please keep it coming.
[quote]OleyFermo wrote:
I find myself at a loss for the appropriate words, gentlemen. You can believe me when I say that?s an unusual situation for an opinionated, grouchy-arsed old fossil dick. That Harris and Aussie would nominate me for a ?powerful image? is beyond my comprehension, but I nevertheless offer my sincere and most humble thanks to both men. And then to have Prof X come in with his post? well, as I said, I?m practically speechless. This man has posted some of the most sound training advice that I?ve read on T-Nation, or anywhere else for that matter.
There?s this, for sure: If you were all my offspring, I would indeed be a proud father. And since offspring should also have a father they can be proud of, I?ve decided to get off my duff and begin training in a serious way. The pics I posted (other than the one of me in the highland games) were taken after a three-year layoff? an old fat boy.
While practicing for one of the games events (the 56 pound weight thrown for distance), I planted my weight bearing foot incorrectly going into the final spin before releasing the weight. Things in my lower back went snap-crackle-n-pop. No big deal, I thought (hoped)? although later I began to experience numbness, tingling and burning in both feet. I continued to train, both the games events and with weights. My mainstay lift at the time was what I termed a ?trap-bar squat?. I built a steel platform on which weight could be stacked? anything from Olympic plates to concrete blocks. The handles on my version of the trap bar were just about the height of an Olympic bar when the trap bar was loaded with weight totaling over 400 pounds and set on two old tires used as a buffer between platform and concrete floor. All highland games heavy events, with the exception of the stone put, depend on pulling power. So pull I did. My best lift on the trap bar was 570 for a single, although I almost locked out 610. I?ve done 505 for ten reps and 425 for 25 reps was ?bird weight?. I should add that each rep was a ?single?. Lift? set the trap bar down? stand erect for about a five second pause? re-set and make another rep.
One evening I was doing the usual 425 for 25 reps warm-up. On about rep 23 I felt something go quite wrong? just felt weak all at once, although I finished the set and the workout without any difficulty. Next morning I was sore from the base of my skull to my ankles. It took two days for the pain to localize in my left hip. To make a long story short, I?d torn the piriformis muscle in my hip completely apart. I?ve spent the last three and a half years or so just rehabbing from injuries and illness. The docs say that I should never lift anything heavier than a canary, which is (of course) pure bullshit. Multiple MRI?s and CAT scans showed no spinal damage except the usual old man stuff? stenosis, very slightly bulging discs (but no sign of traumatic injury), etc. But they also showed a multitude of kidney stones? I?ve had them in the past? which needed to be taken care of ASAP. Between gimping around with sciatic pain from the muscle tear, burning feet from the stenosis and whatever happened to my spine while throwing the 56, AND having J stents in both kidneys for months while I underwent two laser treatments and two lithotripsy treatments to get rid of the stones? I can?t say as I felt much like training other than just farting around from time to time with the heavy duty home gym in my basement or doing some grip work? and on good days a little bit of boxing / grappling. But I did my morning walks, exercise bike work and stretching religiously. I don?t intend to be immobile for a few years yet.
A few weeks back, a long time friend of mine (old Marine? my age) asked me if I?d train him. He?s been lifting regularly for several years, but had made minimal gains in strength and almost none in the area of muscle building. When I asked why he wanted any training from me he said that he didn?t want to turn into an ?old man? just yet. I agreed and set up a warrior-training (hehehaha? ?warrior training? for 59 year old men) program, although I don?t like his gym? much prefer lifting in my basement dungeon. What my old jarhead buddy?s workouts lacked was intensity and a lack knowledge about body-feedback. He had no clue as to whether weight / reps were too much / too many or not enough / too few. But what he did have was a real desire to improve both strength and work capacity. In a bit over three weeks, his bodyweight has increased 6 pounds while his love handles have shrunk noticeably. His (as he calls them) old man shoulders are beginning to fill out and he?s tickled. So am I. His desire to improve was contagious? and so I?m back lifting again in a serious way. Lurking around T-Nation has always kept my interest in lifting alive? and now, working out with my old buddy, I feel like I?m back on the right track. I think I?ll post progress from time to time in the ?Over 35 forum?, just for giggles.
Lessons to be learned? Injuries (even when ?stupidity induced) need not end all training, and, along with aches and pains of old age, are just part of the game as the years go by. I certainly am not as strong, fast or enduring as I once was, but I am happier and much more content with life than I?ve ever been. Enjoy youth, but realize that middle and old age can also bring rewards.
Goals that I consider realistic for the next year:
Lose 25-30 pounds of whale blubber and maybe add some muscle.
Bench 315 X 6 reps, touch and go, 350-365 for one good single, raw.
140 one arm snatch
19 inch bi?s, cold
16 inch forearms, cold
Close the COC 3# (got that within about 1/2 inch of being closed the first time I tried it recently).
And, most important of all, ADD MORE WATTLES to my ugly puss. =)
Photo posted is a young Oley circa 1964. HUGE 14 inch bi’s. =)
To those of you who this thread hijacking ramble has bored beyond endurance, my apologies. To those of you who replied to my posts, thank you again for the inspiration you?ve provided, all the insightful and knowledgeable posts you?ve made to the forums, and especially for what I feel was a very warm welcome for an old fossil-dicked lurker.
Oley
PS? Harris! Keep the punk kids off my lawn?? Goodness no. I try to lure them in by shooting them a bird while traversing the yard with the aid of a walker, mumbling curses under my breath. I view them as a brief grip workout, then a very cheap (and apparently never-ending) source of protein. =)
PSS ? JW. Checked out your lever bar. That looks like an excellent piece of leverage equipment you?ve put together there. Inexpensive, versatile and effective is a hard combination to beat.
PSSS? Prof X. I?ll drop the use of the word ?feeble? and substitute ?insufficiently powerful?. LOL!! Thanks for all that extremely well thought out training advice! Please keep it coming.
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Dude, you are the shit. (that’s a damn good thing)