Why Would You Want to Use Gear?

I compile the Provincial newsletter for our association and this issue one of our members kindly contributed an article called “Even at a Crossroads, It’s a Great Time to be a Powerlifer”. Our country has had the recent inclusion of Classic or Raw to our IPF affiliate Canadian Powerlifting Association and there have been growing pains including the type of crappola in this thread. The contributor has competed for 25 years and is a raw lifter but has competed equipped in the past. He has the gift of unemotional examination of information. I’ve cut and pasted a bit of what he wrote because I believe it answers the ultimate question of ‘why gear at all?’

"Ultimately the fight is against gravity and the limits imposed by one?s own mind, yet powerlifter fights powerlifter in a specious argument of value. This isn?t helped by the I.P.F.?s decision to call their un-equipped competitions, ?classic?. Powerlifting in its? relatively short history has never solely been man/woman vs iron. It has always been a collaborative effort between man/woman and whatever ingenuity could be applied before rules were written to rein it in. ?Classic? gives the un-equipped genre a sense of seminal legitimacy that is wholly undeserved and contributes to the ideological divides that do nothing to foster the continued growth and development of the sport.

Both un-equipped and equipped powerlifting should co-exist symbiotically not combatively. Equipped powerlifting faces challenges because, while it represents the highest expression of skill in the sport, the public and most new, un-equipped competitors are completely ignorant of its immense demands. It is common for both the layperson and the ?raw? lifter to observe that the equipment lifts the weight and that ?raw? powerlifting is the purest test of strength. Both would be highly inaccurate at best. Powerlifting has never been about ?purity?. It has always been about pushing to 10/10ths of the rules to eke out every single last pound of performance. Unfortunately the optics of such are invisible to the observer. No one watching an equipped competition can see the required hours of technique work to tweak and learn the gear or feel the stresses of unique muscle actions required to successfully lift equipped. Nor can they feel the pain and pressure as the lifter forces his/her own body to compress and act as the spring storing the energy transmitted by their shirts or suits. All they can see is a tightly bound and wrapped lifter moving incomprehensible amounts of weight and they draw incorrect conclusions. In a perfect world, the legions of un-equipped lifters entering the sport would lead to some wanting to raise the bar, so to speak, and take on the challenge of equipped competition. Certainly in the past, if one wanted to compete at the highest levels, one had to rise to the demands of equipped powerlifting. Unfortunately, negative conversations creating adversarial relationships between equipped and un-equipped lifting threaten the natural progression previously enjoyed by powerlifting since its inception."

OBoile, you may recognize the prose of your team mate. I love the way he writes.

I.e. equipped powerlifting = driven by ego.

Ha!

[quote]Caltene wrote:
I think geared lifters look ridiculous. It’s like taking steroids; if you can’t lift it yourself, why bother?[/quote]

“I’m an idiot and I agree with this guy.”

[quote]ouroboro_s wrote:
I compile the Provincial newsletter for our association and this issue one of our members kindly contributed an article called “Even at a Crossroads, It’s a Great Time to be a Powerlifer”. Our country has had the recent inclusion of Classic or Raw to our IPF affiliate Canadian Powerlifting Association and there have been growing pains including the type of crappola in this thread. The contributor has competed for 25 years and is a raw lifter but has competed equipped in the past. He has the gift of unemotional examination of information. I’ve cut and pasted a bit of what he wrote because I believe it answers the ultimate question of ‘why gear at all?’

"Ultimately the fight is against gravity and the limits imposed by one?s own mind, yet powerlifter fights powerlifter in a specious argument of value. This isn?t helped by the I.P.F.?s decision to call their un-equipped competitions, ?classic?. Powerlifting in its? relatively short history has never solely been man/woman vs iron. It has always been a collaborative effort between man/woman and whatever ingenuity could be applied before rules were written to rein it in. ?Classic? gives the un-equipped genre a sense of seminal legitimacy that is wholly undeserved and contributes to the ideological divides that do nothing to foster the continued growth and development of the sport.

Both un-equipped and equipped powerlifting should co-exist symbiotically not combatively. Equipped powerlifting faces challenges because, while it represents the highest expression of skill in the sport, the public and most new, un-equipped competitors are completely ignorant of its immense demands. It is common for both the layperson and the ?raw? lifter to observe that the equipment lifts the weight and that ?raw? powerlifting is the purest test of strength. Both would be highly inaccurate at best. Powerlifting has never been about ?purity?. It has always been about pushing to 10/10ths of the rules to eke out every single last pound of performance. Unfortunately the optics of such are invisible to the observer. No one watching an equipped competition can see the required hours of technique work to tweak and learn the gear or feel the stresses of unique muscle actions required to successfully lift equipped. Nor can they feel the pain and pressure as the lifter forces his/her own body to compress and act as the spring storing the energy transmitted by their shirts or suits. All they can see is a tightly bound and wrapped lifter moving incomprehensible amounts of weight and they draw incorrect conclusions. In a perfect world, the legions of un-equipped lifters entering the sport would lead to some wanting to raise the bar, so to speak, and take on the challenge of equipped competition. Certainly in the past, if one wanted to compete at the highest levels, one had to rise to the demands of equipped powerlifting. Unfortunately, negative conversations creating adversarial relationships between equipped and un-equipped lifting threaten the natural progression previously enjoyed by powerlifting since its inception."

OBoile, you may recognize the prose of your team mate. I love the way he writes.

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He’s a smart man.

I disagree with the whole notion that using equipment is the natural progression in a lifter’s career. I spent ten years competing in single and double ply and the last two or so competing raw. I don’t miss the equipment a bit and doubt I’ll ever return to it (though I haven’t gotten rid of it yet, so you never know). Most especially, I really enjoy knowing that when I set prs in meets, I got stronger, I didn’t buy a new bench shirt or squat suit or get better at using the ones I already own.

My recent experience at meets also suggests to me that equipped lifting is dying, at least on the local and state level in California. Nearly all of the meets I’ve attended in the last couple of years have had only a handful of equipped lifters.

Raw lifters are a bit frustrated with equipped lifting for the following reasons

  1. When geared lifers say with a straight face that they bench 800 pounds, not mentioning the fact that they cant handle that weight without layers on layers, it diminishes a real raw bencher who does, say 600 pounds. It is the same principle with why high squats are hated. And the problem is powerlifting is such a small sport, and the equipped lifters give it a bad reputation when the general public only sees some huge guy with his t rex arms pointing straight out wrapped like a mummy. The 2 inch ROM is pretty exciting as well!

  2. It is a huge reason, arguably the biggest reason, why powerlifting will never be in the olympics.

  3. If we didnt call equipped powerlifting, powerlifting. And didnt call it a bench press then we would be fine. Just call it ego lifting, and call equipped benching “lockout lifts”. Then we would be fine with it.

Powerlifting is a cult sport, and it will remain that way with equipment, as the more equipment is used, the less people understand how impressive the lift actually is. Everyone relates to a standard bench, squat, deadlift. But when the movements are assisted to the point of being damn near unrecognizable, it will make new athlete just not care about the feat. Also it makes it harder for new athletes to get into the sport. They could just go raw right? Well not really because the competition is diluted as fuck thanks to the 100s of different federations with their own rules. Go into 100% raw, enter their “world champs” and you are guaranteed to be top 3 in the world.

Bottom line, if powerlifting was all forced to be raw, the sport would be thriving rather than being an underground hobby. That fact, I doubt even equipped lifters would argue with. They just dont give a shit about the sport being appealing to others, which is why the sport is dying

[quote]@JC_Tree_Trunks wrote:
Raw lifters are a bit frustrated with equipped lifting for the following reasons

  1. When geared lifers say with a straight face that they bench 800 pounds, not mentioning the fact that they cant handle that weight without layers on layers, it diminishes a real raw bencher who does, say 600 pounds. It is the same principle with why high squats are hated. And the problem is powerlifting is such a small sport, and the equipped lifters give it a bad reputation when the general public only sees some huge guy with his t rex arms pointing straight out wrapped like a mummy. The 2 inch ROM is pretty exciting as well!

  2. It is a huge reason, arguably the biggest reason, why powerlifting will never be in the olympics.

  3. If we didnt call equipped powerlifting, powerlifting. And didnt call it a bench press then we would be fine. Just call it ego lifting, and call equipped benching “lockout lifts”. Then we would be fine with it.

Powerlifting is a cult sport, and it will remain that way with equipment, as the more equipment is used, the less people understand how impressive the lift actually is. Everyone relates to a standard bench, squat, deadlift. But when the movements are assisted to the point of being damn near unrecognizable, it will make new athlete just not care about the feat. Also it makes it harder for new athletes to get into the sport. They could just go raw right? Well not really because the competition is diluted as fuck thanks to the 100s of different federations with their own rules. Go into 100% raw, enter their “world champs” and you are guaranteed to be top 3 in the world.

Bottom line, if powerlifting was all forced to be raw, the sport would be thriving rather than being an underground hobby. That fact, I doubt even equipped lifters would argue with. They just dont give a shit about the sport being appealing to others, which is why the sport is dying [/quote]

I dont dislike geared lifting. I only go raw too. I’ve seen geared lifting and I was damn impressed with it too.

lol, it’s funny seeing how angry people get over what someone else enjoys doing.

To the guy above me, I disagree with #1 and #3.

Alot of geared lifters certainly outlift their raw counterparts, but a number of them will admit that they are weaker. Mark Bell who has out-totaled Mike Tuchscherer has stated a few times that Mike was stronger than him.
And the sport is powerlifting, hell everything has ego in it. We want to lift more right? be better than someone else and win?
As for the olympics note, I guess you’re right. The olympics committee seems to look down upon the whole idea of suits and such.

I think powerlifting is doing fine as it is. The sport has spread to where it needs to be and maybe even further. Do you think the general public really gives a shit about olympic weightlifting? They see it on TV and go, “oh look at those guys in tights throwing up a barbell in the air, cool”. They’re more interested in swimming, basketball, and track.
The sport isn’t dying, it’s grown tremendously over the years. Gear adds more money into the equation. More money = more events. More events = more people.

Companies like Titan, Inzer, and Metal all sell suits and shirts. They sponsor athletes, which helps keep the sport going.

[quote]@JC_Tree_Trunks wrote:
Raw lifters are a bit frustrated with equipped lifting for the following reasons

  1. When geared lifers say with a straight face that they bench 800 pounds, not mentioning the fact that they cant handle that weight without layers on layers, it diminishes a real raw bencher who does, say 600 pounds. It is the same principle with why high squats are hated. And the problem is powerlifting is such a small sport, and the equipped lifters give it a bad reputation when the general public only sees some huge guy with his t rex arms pointing straight out wrapped like a mummy. The 2 inch ROM is pretty exciting as well!

  2. It is a huge reason, arguably the biggest reason, why powerlifting will never be in the olympics.

  3. If we didnt call equipped powerlifting, powerlifting. And didnt call it a bench press then we would be fine. Just call it ego lifting, and call equipped benching “lockout lifts”. Then we would be fine with it.

Powerlifting is a cult sport, and it will remain that way with equipment, as the more equipment is used, the less people understand how impressive the lift actually is. Everyone relates to a standard bench, squat, deadlift. But when the movements are assisted to the point of being damn near unrecognizable, it will make new athlete just not care about the feat. Also it makes it harder for new athletes to get into the sport. They could just go raw right? Well not really because the competition is diluted as fuck thanks to the 100s of different federations with their own rules. Go into 100% raw, enter their “world champs” and you are guaranteed to be top 3 in the world.

Bottom line, if powerlifting was all forced to be raw, the sport would be thriving rather than being an underground hobby. That fact, I doubt even equipped lifters would argue with. They just dont give a shit about the sport being appealing to others, which is why the sport is dying [/quote]

I am a raw lifter, and I am not frustrated with equipped lifters for these reasons.

This is YOUR opinion. Please do not impose it on others.

[quote]@JC_Tree_Trunks wrote:
Raw lifters are a bit frustrated with equipped lifting for the following reasons

  1. When geared lifers say with a straight face that they bench 800 pounds, not mentioning the fact that they cant handle that weight without layers on layers, it diminishes a real raw bencher who does, say 600 pounds. It is the same principle with why high squats are hated. And the problem is powerlifting is such a small sport, and the equipped lifters give it a bad reputation when the general public only sees some huge guy with his t rex arms pointing straight out wrapped like a mummy. The 2 inch ROM is pretty exciting as well!

  2. It is a huge reason, arguably the biggest reason, why powerlifting will never be in the olympics.

  3. If we didnt call equipped powerlifting, powerlifting. And didnt call it a bench press then we would be fine. Just call it ego lifting, and call equipped benching “lockout lifts”. Then we would be fine with it.

Powerlifting is a cult sport, and it will remain that way with equipment, as the more equipment is used, the less people understand how impressive the lift actually is. Everyone relates to a standard bench, squat, deadlift. But when the movements are assisted to the point of being damn near unrecognizable, it will make new athlete just not care about the feat. Also it makes it harder for new athletes to get into the sport. They could just go raw right? Well not really because the competition is diluted as fuck thanks to the 100s of different federations with their own rules. Go into 100% raw, enter their “world champs” and you are guaranteed to be top 3 in the world.

Bottom line, if powerlifting was all forced to be raw, the sport would be thriving rather than being an underground hobby. That fact, I doubt even equipped lifters would argue with. They just dont give a shit about the sport being appealing to others, which is why the sport is dying [/quote]

I agree with all of this.

[quote]flipcollar wrote:
Why wear pants when you lift? Real RAW lifters squat naked. #fact

OP was owned in this thread. #otherfact

I bet OP plays golf with a wooden driver. Because it’s not a real drive if you don’t use actual wooden woods. Metal drivers just hit the ball farther automatically, playing ancient clubs makes you REALLY strong. #thirdfact[/quote]

Yeah, I mean, why use a car? If you can’t get there under your own power, you don’t even deserve to be there!!!

[quote]VTBalla34 wrote:

[quote]flipcollar wrote:
Why wear pants when you lift? Real RAW lifters squat naked. #fact

OP was owned in this thread. #otherfact

I bet OP plays golf with a wooden driver. Because it’s not a real drive if you don’t use actual wooden woods. Metal drivers just hit the ball farther automatically, playing ancient clubs makes you REALLY strong. #thirdfact[/quote]

Yeah, I mean, why use a car? If you can’t get there under your own power, you don’t even deserve to be there!!![/quote]

[quote]@JC_Tree_Trunks wrote:
Raw lifters are a bit frustrated with equipped lifting for the following reasons

  1. When geared lifers say with a straight face that they bench 800 pounds, not mentioning the fact that they cant handle that weight without layers on layers, it diminishes a real raw bencher who does, say 600 pounds. It is the same principle with why high squats are hated. And the problem is powerlifting is such a small sport, and the equipped lifters give it a bad reputation when the general public only sees some huge guy with his t rex arms pointing straight out wrapped like a mummy. The 2 inch ROM is pretty exciting as well!
    [/quote]

Did this actually happen or is this hypothetical? Most lifters will tell you either of those lifts is insane. By the way, equipped lifting does nothing to reduce the range of motion. Powerlifting is a sport where the person that lifts the most weight is rewarded. So raw or geared, people will reduce ROM in order to increase the weight.

What’s ironic about this statement is that the 3 lifters that I’ve actually trained with that could bench 800+ in gear could handle 550+ raw. I have no doubt that if they actually trained for a raw meet they could all hit 600 raw.

WOW REALLY. Did the IOC call you and tell you this? This is incredibly insightful. Maybe everyone should stop what they are doing just because it doesn’t support a few lifters’ grand plans to get powerlifting into the Olympics. Don’t get me wrong – I would love to see powerlifting in the Olympics, but this statement is off the wall, at best.

[quote]
3. If we didnt call equipped powerlifting, powerlifting. And didnt call it a bench press then we would be fine. Just call it ego lifting, and call equipped benching “lockout lifts”. Then we would be fine with it.

Powerlifting is a cult sport, and it will remain that way with equipment, as the more equipment is used, the less people understand how impressive the lift actually is. Everyone relates to a standard bench, squat, deadlift. But when the movements are assisted to the point of being damn near unrecognizable, it will make new athlete just not care about the feat. Also it makes it harder for new athletes to get into the sport. They could just go raw right? Well not really because the competition is diluted as fuck thanks to the 100s of different federations with their own rules. Go into 100% raw, enter their “world champs” and you are guaranteed to be top 3 in the world.

Bottom line, if powerlifting was all forced to be raw, the sport would be thriving rather than being an underground hobby. That fact, I doubt even equipped lifters would argue with. They just dont give a shit about the sport being appealing to others, which is why the sport is dying [/quote]

You have a lot of opinions about something that you know nothing about.

Multiple ply lifting is much different than raw lifting. It’s also much more difficult for many reasons. I don’t really care to argue that statement with you. If you disagree, finish an equipped meet first (or any meet for that matter) and come talk to me.

From the meets I’ve been around (usually 10+ every year), there is no shortage of lifters, raw or geared. The sport is growing, as far as I can tell. What makes you think the ‘sport is dying’?

The examples you people use are insane.

[quote]BigRedMachine87 wrote:

[quote]@JC_Tree_Trunks wrote:
Raw lifters are a bit frustrated with equipped lifting for the following reasons

  1. When geared lifers say with a straight face that they bench 800 pounds, not mentioning the fact that they cant handle that weight without layers on layers, it diminishes a real raw bencher who does, say 600 pounds. It is the same principle with why high squats are hated. And the problem is powerlifting is such a small sport, and the equipped lifters give it a bad reputation when the general public only sees some huge guy with his t rex arms pointing straight out wrapped like a mummy. The 2 inch ROM is pretty exciting as well!

  2. It is a huge reason, arguably the biggest reason, why powerlifting will never be in the olympics.

  3. If we didnt call equipped powerlifting, powerlifting. And didnt call it a bench press then we would be fine. Just call it ego lifting, and call equipped benching “lockout lifts”. Then we would be fine with it.

Powerlifting is a cult sport, and it will remain that way with equipment, as the more equipment is used, the less people understand how impressive the lift actually is. Everyone relates to a standard bench, squat, deadlift. But when the movements are assisted to the point of being damn near unrecognizable, it will make new athlete just not care about the feat. Also it makes it harder for new athletes to get into the sport. They could just go raw right? Well not really because the competition is diluted as fuck thanks to the 100s of different federations with their own rules. Go into 100% raw, enter their “world champs” and you are guaranteed to be top 3 in the world.

Bottom line, if powerlifting was all forced to be raw, the sport would be thriving rather than being an underground hobby. That fact, I doubt even equipped lifters would argue with. They just dont give a shit about the sport being appealing to others, which is why the sport is dying [/quote]

I agree with all of this.[/quote]

How many meets have you lifted in?

You know I find it funny…In all the Meets I’ve been in or been to I don’t ever think I have ever heard anyone bitch about gear vs raw. Because most guys whom compete could give a shit less due to the fact there are different divisions. 9 time out of 10 I have seen these threads started by guys whom never have set foot on the platform. Most of the times the guys whom bitch are doing so in my view because they don’t like the notion that someone is lifting more weight then them in gear. BOO HOO he benched 150 lbs more then me because that guys wearing a shirt! Hello! Its gear! We all understand that it allows people to lift more and again… different divisions. Maybe, I’m being a ass hole and so be it. But I feel unless you have been in a actual Meet your opinion means about shit and should say anything until you actually do.

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im a raw drug free powerlifter,and i compete and must say i love it,raw powerlifting is to me the real test of ones strenght,as for equipped lifting,alot of my friends who compete are very strong raw lifters too,and i respect both,each to their own,all i can say i know if i see a man squat 200kg raw and a man squat 200kg with gear,i respect both but i know the raw lifter is stronger,but go to a meet and watch how raw lifters and equipped lifters have alot of respect for each other,at the end of the day we a re brothers of the iron :slight_smile:
WATCH ME RAW PAUSE SQUAT 200KG NO BELT…

[quote]celticstrenght wrote:
im a raw drug free powerlifter,and i compete and must say i love it,raw powerlifting is to me the real test of ones strenght,as for equipped lifting,alot of my friends who compete are very strong raw lifters too,and i respect both,each to their own,all i can say i know if i see a man squat 200kg raw and a man squat 200kg with gear,i respect both but i know the raw lifter is stronger,but go to a meet and watch how raw lifters and equipped lifters have alot of respect for each other,at the end of the day we a re brothers of the iron :slight_smile:
WATCH ME RAW PAUSE SQUAT 200KG NO BELT…

I can’t help but think you just wanted to use this as a reason to post your video.

[quote]celticstrenght wrote:
im a raw drug free powerlifter,and i compete and must say i love it,raw powerlifting is to me the real test of ones strenght,as for equipped lifting,alot of my friends who compete are very strong raw lifters too,and i respect both,each to their own,all i can say i know if i see a man squat 200kg raw and a man squat 200kg with gear,i respect both but i know the raw lifter is stronger,but go to a meet and watch how raw lifters and equipped lifters have alot of respect for each other,at the end of the day we a re brothers of the iron :slight_smile:
WATCH ME RAW PAUSE SQUAT 200KG NO BELT[/quote]

I have nothing to contribute that hasn’t already been said but you know that you’ve spelled “strength” incorrectly both in your user name and in your posts right?

And what does your vid have to do with raw vs geared powerlifting? Is the rule now that squats don’t count unless they are beltess and paused?

james