Are you gentlemen serious? The Presidency has been owned by the banks since Andrew Jackson and his battles with Nicholas Biddle.
After WWII, the intelligence services horned in and now the banks and the services run everything. The president is just a puppet.
I thought this was common knowledge (srs).
[quote]thunderbolt23 wrote:
Exactly right. Further, if he did poorly, or even mediocre, the side-narrative shifts to “how in the hell did he get into Harvard Law?”.
[/quote]
Because his father went there, duh.
[quote]Headhunter wrote:
Are you gentlemen serious? The Presidency has been owned by the banks since Andrew Jackson and his battles with Nicholas Biddle.
After WWII, the intelligence services horned in and now the banks and the services run everything. The president is just a puppet.
I thought this was common knowledge (srs).[/quote]
I believe money runs this country and probably always has
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
[quote]Headhunter wrote:
Are you gentlemen serious? The Presidency has been owned by the banks since Andrew Jackson and his battles with Nicholas Biddle.
After WWII, the intelligence services horned in and now the banks and the services run everything. The president is just a puppet.
I thought this was common knowledge (srs).[/quote]
I believe money runs this country and probably always has
[/quote]
Sure, but there was a time when they stuck to railroad fraud, ripping off Indians and supplying the army with shitty stuff.
Now they have their greedy paws everywhere and its because people invited them to do so.
Wealth, in whatever form you want to put it, has always run everything. Always.
Whether it be a wealth of power, wealth of land, or wealth of tiny electronic pixels that make up your bank account, wealth runs shit. It has since the dawn of social interaction. The man with the wealth of weapons and food pretty much ran the show.
It is never going to stop. It will never go away. It doesn’t matter how many white people grow out their dreadlocks and “occupy” everywhere but the shower, the rich will always be rich, and they will stay rich. You can take their money in taxes Comrades, and they will just make more. It is what they do. Why do you think they have income to tax?
This shouldn’t come to a surprise to so many people, but it does. People are bitching and moaning about others have so much more than they do. And rather than go out and try and change it through earning more, would rather sit down, do no work, and protest their way to free stuff.
“You should forgive my student loans because no one is just handing me a job. the economy is like tough right now, man.” Fuck those people, and everyone that asks for their loans to be forgiven is the worst kind of leach. Here they are taking away personal attention from another student that is going to actually put some effort into life, only to sit around and complain that the shit they felt entitled to, they are not actually entitled to? Forget those people. Leaches, that are doing nothing but eroding the system and slowing us down.
But yeah, wealth has always made the world go around, whether people had it or were trying to get it.
[quote]countingbeans wrote:
Wealth, in whatever form you want to put it, has always run everything. Always.
Whether it be a wealth of power, wealth of land, or wealth of tiny electronic pixels that make up your bank account, wealth runs shit. It has since the dawn of social interaction. The man with the wealth of weapons and food pretty much ran the show.
It is never going to stop. It will never go away. It doesn’t matter how many white people grow out their dreadlocks and “occupy” everywhere but the shower, the rich will always be rich, and they will stay rich. You can take their money in taxes Comrades, and they will just make more. It is what they do. Why do you think they have income to tax?
This shouldn’t come to a surprise to so many people, but it does. People are bitching and moaning about others have so much more than they do. And rather than go out and try and change it through earning more, would rather sit down, do no work, and protest their way to free stuff.
“You should forgive my student loans because no one is just handing me a job. the economy is like tough right now, man.” Fuck those people, and everyone that asks for their loans to be forgiven is the worst kind of leach. Here they are taking away personal attention from another student that is going to actually put some effort into life, only to sit around and complain that the shit they felt entitled to, they are not actually entitled to? Forget those people. Leaches, that are doing nothing but eroding the system and slowing us down.
But yeah, wealth has always made the world go around, whether people had it or were trying to get it.[/quote]
Leaches are slowing us down. People who don’t want to pay their fair share of taxes, as well as those who put forth no effort to contribute to our society. There are people who we are going to have to carry, like it or not, I don’t have a problem with that so long as they are truly unable to be productive.
There leaches who are slowing us down are both the lazy, and the greedy. Problem is I don’t think people like yourself understand how greed is a problem. You think greed is the exception when it comes to rules.
[quote]Severiano wrote:
People who don’t want to pay their fair share of taxes,
Problem is I don’t think people like yourself understand how greed is a problem. You think greed is the exception when it comes to rules.
[/quote]
Miss-informed talking point.
http://www.ntu.org/tax-basics/who-pays-income-taxes.html
The top 10% of earners pay 70% of the tax burden in the US. 70% of the burden rests on the top 10% of the earners.
So in your your world should they pay 100%. Get out with that noise.
What percent of income the top % of earners pay in tax isn’t the fucking problem, the problem is this country spends too much.
Austerity, necessary in every household in America. The government can completely ignore it.
Problem is I don’t think people like yourself understand what the problem is. You think “there is no such thing as a free lunch” is the exception when it comes to the government’s rules.
We can’t “tax the rich” our way out of this problem. Mathematics can prove that statement.
“But so-and-so has more than me, and has way more money than anyone else.” Boo fucking Hoo. Discrimination is perfectly fine as long as the target has enough money right?
Things brought to you by Greed:
Cars
internet
cell phones
medical equipment that saves lives
a place to live
facebook
pension funding
cameras
movies
America
should I go on?
[quote]countingbeans wrote:
[quote]Severiano wrote:
People who don’t want to pay their fair share of taxes,
Problem is I don’t think people like yourself understand how greed is a problem. You think greed is the exception when it comes to rules.
[/quote]
Miss-informed talking point.
http://www.ntu.org/tax-basics/who-pays-income-taxes.html
The top 10% of earners pay 70% of the tax burden in the US. 70% of the burden rests on the top 10% of the earners.
So in your your world should they pay 100%. Get out with that noise.
What percent of income the top % of earners pay in tax isn’t the fucking problem, the problem is this country spends too much.
Austerity, necessary in every household in America. The government can completely ignore it.
Problem is I don’t think people like yourself understand what the problem is. You think “there is no such thing as a free lunch” is the exception when it comes to the government’s rules.
We can’t “tax the rich” our way out of this problem. Mathematics can prove that statement.
“But so-and-so has more than me, and has way more money than anyone else.” Boo fucking Hoo. Discrimination is perfectly fine as long as the target has enough money right?[/quote]
Couldn’t agree more. I always phrase the tax statistics, I stole this from somewhere, as a restaurant scenario. In a restaurant with 100 people sitting in it. One guy is paying for 70 people to eat lunch. Imagine the manager standing in front of the room and pointing out the guy paying for over 2/3s of the restaurant and in a condescending French accent (sorry ct) waving his finger, someone is not paying their fair share. Would people tolerate that shit? Really?
By the way, who gives a good dam about Romneys tax return. It has nothing to fucking do with the real freaking issues, pull your head out of your ass and get a fucking clue. Ahhh, now I feel much better. Always good to start the day off with someone’s head for breakfast.
[quote]countingbeans wrote:
[quote]Severiano wrote:
People who don’t want to pay their fair share of taxes,
Problem is I don’t think people like yourself understand how greed is a problem. You think greed is the exception when it comes to rules.
[/quote]
Miss-informed talking point.
http://www.ntu.org/tax-basics/who-pays-income-taxes.html
The top 10% of earners pay 70% of the tax burden in the US. 70% of the burden rests on the top 10% of the earners.
So in your your world should they pay 100%. Get out with that noise.
What percent of income the top % of earners pay in tax isn’t the fucking problem, the problem is this country spends too much.
Austerity, necessary in every household in America. The government can completely ignore it.
Problem is I don’t think people like yourself understand what the problem is. You think “there is no such thing as a free lunch” is the exception when it comes to the government’s rules.
We can’t “tax the rich” our way out of this problem. Mathematics can prove that statement.
“But so-and-so has more than me, and has way more money than anyone else.” Boo fucking Hoo. Discrimination is perfectly fine as long as the target has enough money right?[/quote]
I don’t know if you are blatantly mischaracterizing, or if you were born with a silver spoon yourself.
I’m happy to see successful people, but when those people themselves become parasites, it is a problem. You want people to think it’s all about the lazy taking advantage of the wealthy, which is a thing that happens, but not as often as you wish it did.
Greed, is when you have record profits but decide to go ahead and close the shop in the U.S. for the sake of saving/netting some small amount of money to make yourself look better to your shareholders, you send the customer service department to India, and the manufacturing to China and don’t give two craps about the people who are left without work as a result.
livable wages is another aspect that the very wealthy really could care less about. The less they pay their workers, the more they can pocket. When you are concerned about record profits, while some of your employees and their families go hungry, that’s a problem. Especially when you are concerned about what size vehicle elevator you are going to be placing in your 14th mansion. 
come on man, you can’t be serious.
Want to talk about paying taxes, lets also talk about pay structure. Do you believe people who do good work should have a living wage? Simple question.
[quote]zecarlo wrote:
[quote]thunderbolt23 wrote:
Exactly right. Further, if he did poorly, or even mediocre, the side-narrative shifts to “how in the hell did he get into Harvard Law?”.
[/quote]
Because his father went there, duh. [/quote]
I believe his father was tossed out.
[quote]Severiano wrote:
[quote]countingbeans wrote:
Wealth, in whatever form you want to put it, has always run everything. Always.
Whether it be a wealth of power, wealth of land, or wealth of tiny electronic pixels that make up your bank account, wealth runs shit. It has since the dawn of social interaction. The man with the wealth of weapons and food pretty much ran the show.
It is never going to stop. It will never go away. It doesn’t matter how many white people grow out their dreadlocks and “occupy” everywhere but the shower, the rich will always be rich, and they will stay rich. You can take their money in taxes Comrades, and they will just make more. It is what they do. Why do you think they have income to tax?
This shouldn’t come to a surprise to so many people, but it does. People are bitching and moaning about others have so much more than they do. And rather than go out and try and change it through earning more, would rather sit down, do no work, and protest their way to free stuff.
“You should forgive my student loans because no one is just handing me a job. the economy is like tough right now, man.” Fuck those people, and everyone that asks for their loans to be forgiven is the worst kind of leach. Here they are taking away personal attention from another student that is going to actually put some effort into life, only to sit around and complain that the shit they felt entitled to, they are not actually entitled to? Forget those people. Leaches, that are doing nothing but eroding the system and slowing us down.
But yeah, wealth has always made the world go around, whether people had it or were trying to get it.[/quote]
Leaches are slowing us down. People who don’t want to pay their fair share of taxes, as well as those who put forth no effort to contribute to our society. There are people who we are going to have to carry, like it or not, I don’t have a problem with that so long as they are truly unable to be productive.
There leaches who are slowing us down are both the lazy, and the greedy. Problem is I don’t think people like yourself understand how greed is a problem. You think greed is the exception when it comes to rules.
[/quote]
When 48% of the country does not pay any income tax that becomes a problem.
[quote]Severiano wrote:
[quote]countingbeans wrote:
[quote]Severiano wrote:
People who don’t want to pay their fair share of taxes,
Problem is I don’t think people like yourself understand how greed is a problem. You think greed is the exception when it comes to rules.
[/quote]
Miss-informed talking point.
http://www.ntu.org/tax-basics/who-pays-income-taxes.html
The top 10% of earners pay 70% of the tax burden in the US. 70% of the burden rests on the top 10% of the earners.
So in your your world should they pay 100%. Get out with that noise.
What percent of income the top % of earners pay in tax isn’t the fucking problem, the problem is this country spends too much.
Austerity, necessary in every household in America. The government can completely ignore it.
Problem is I don’t think people like yourself understand what the problem is. You think “there is no such thing as a free lunch” is the exception when it comes to the government’s rules.
We can’t “tax the rich” our way out of this problem. Mathematics can prove that statement.
“But so-and-so has more than me, and has way more money than anyone else.” Boo fucking Hoo. Discrimination is perfectly fine as long as the target has enough money right?[/quote]
I don’t know if you are blatantly mischaracterizing, or if you were born with a silver spoon yourself.
I’m happy to see successful people, but when those people themselves become parasites, it is a problem. You want people to think it’s all about the lazy taking advantage of the wealthy, which is a thing that happens, but not as often as you wish it did.
Greed, is when you have record profits but decide to go ahead and close the shop in the U.S. for the sake of saving/netting some small amount of money to make yourself look better to your shareholders, you send the customer service department to India, and the manufacturing to China and don’t give two craps about the people who are left without work as a result.
livable wages is another aspect that the very wealthy really could care less about. The less they pay their workers, the more they can pocket. When you are concerned about record profits, while some of your employees and their families go hungry, that’s a problem. Especially when you are concerned about what size vehicle elevator you are going to be placing in your 14th mansion. come on man, you can’t be serious.
Want to talk about paying taxes, lets also talk about pay structure. Do you believe people who do good work should have a living wage? Simple question. [/quote]
Well let’s look at this from the perspective of our president’s ideology. It’s just the right thing to do, we are spreading the wealth around. People in India and china have nothing, and us fat lazy Americans have enough already. These companies are not stingy, they are helping out the truly less fortunate and giving others a chance. If you are going to use this type of thinking, let’s really use it, and not apply it to the areas we want to.
I’ll agree greed is a problem, but you cannot legislate and regulate fiscal morality to the degree that greed is no longer a reality. The reality is, that personal advancement is a great motivator, there is no debating that, it has been proven time and time again. Look at Germany in 1990. It was one of the worlds greatest economic experiments. For fifty years one side lived under a capitalist system, the other a communist. One side never made it past 1945, and the other became an economic powerhouse. The more you control how much a person is able to advance and control his own economic status in the world, the less motivated they will be to work harder than th next guy. Why not just put in your 40 hours and cruise along, when the regulatory burden is so great that your workers at the bottom of the responsibility ladder are making near what you are after taxes, eployee benefits, and all the other hundred mandatory government requirements are met for operating a business.
The business owner is not the selfish one, the employee is. The guy who sacrifices his family time to go to school, or work long hours to provide a means of income for others is the unselfish one, really. The guy who just wants to work the minimum and spend his time for selfish purposes, whether it be his own hobbies, his own family or what have you, is the selfish one. The guy who breaks his back so others can have a job, so others can feed their families, so others cam cruise along while they mortgage their house to keep a business open is the closest to achieving altruism.
[quote]orion wrote:
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
[quote]Headhunter wrote:
Are you gentlemen serious? The Presidency has been owned by the banks since Andrew Jackson and his battles with Nicholas Biddle.
After WWII, the intelligence services horned in and now the banks and the services run everything. The president is just a puppet.
I thought this was common knowledge (srs).[/quote]
I believe money runs this country and probably always has
[/quote]
Sure, but there was a time when they stuck to railroad fraud, ripping off Indians and supplying the army with shitty stuff.
Now they have their greedy paws everywhere and its because people invited them to do so. [/quote]
IMO it is the Government controlling the winners . Via Tax Code . When one mans dollar is worth
$.70 and another’s is worth $.86 . The man with the dollar worth $.86 is at a %16 advantage
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
[quote]orion wrote:
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
[quote]Headhunter wrote:
Are you gentlemen serious? The Presidency has been owned by the banks since Andrew Jackson and his battles with Nicholas Biddle.
After WWII, the intelligence services horned in and now the banks and the services run everything. The president is just a puppet.
I thought this was common knowledge (srs).[/quote]
I believe money runs this country and probably always has
[/quote]
Sure, but there was a time when they stuck to railroad fraud, ripping off Indians and supplying the army with shitty stuff.
Now they have their greedy paws everywhere and its because people invited them to do so. [/quote]
IMO it is the Government controlling the winners . Via Tax Code . When one mans dollar is worth
$.70 and another’s is worth $.86 . The man with the dollar worth $.86 is at a %16 advantage
[/quote]
And when one man has to pay 50% in taxes to state, local and federal governments and another man pays nothing or next to nothing that’s unfair. Especially when the man paying the higher rate is actually contributing positively to the economy.
[quote]Severiano wrote:
I don’t know if you are blatantly mischaracterizing, or if you were born with a silver spoon yourself. [/quote]
I grew up on food stamps. Now I’m in the 10%.
So… What is it that saying about when you assume again?
Empty assumptive conjecture.
Stop projecting on me please.
Have you ever fired someone or layed someone off? I have. I don’t care how much of a fucknut they are, you still feel like shit. So save your projections about people you have never talked to. You don’t know how they feel about what they have to do.
I mean god forbid they make money for their shareholders. The evil things like people’s 401k’s, children’s 529 plans and those fucking asshole teachers that want their pension’s funded. How dare they expect profits from the companies they invest in?
But, okay lets say what you said above happens. Your solution is to raise their taxes? You honestly think raising their costs in the form of taxes is going to stop them from sending labor and profit centers to countries that don’t have those costs?
How on Earth do you think raising the taxes on these people is going to stop them from going to where costs are lower?
You didn’t bother to look up Section 199 did you?
Is that why brokers on Wall Street got record bonuses recently?
Ha. Do you think quality employees are cheap?
Does the guy who’s skill set only allows him to excel at loading a truck deserve the same pay as someone who’s skill set allows him to excel at managing 1,600 people, two profit centers and cost control?
What skilled labor doesn’t pay livable wage? What plumbers make minimum wage? What educated white collar grunt doesn’t get payed a livable wage in America?
Oh, someone didn’t get an education and has to landscape for a living? boo hoo.
But your right, it is just The Man, keeping us honest folk down. Who needs profits, not every single fucking citizen in the country, no not at all. We should all just work to break even and have the government control everything and give us our food and shies after waiting in line for it.
That should work.
They do.
[quote]mathew260 wrote:
The guy who sacrifices his family time to go to school, or work long hours to provide a means of income for others is the unselfish one, really. The guy who just wants to work the minimum and spend his time for selfish purposes, whether it be his own hobbies, his own family or what have you, is the selfish one. The guy who breaks his back so others can have a job, so others can feed their families, so others cam cruise along while they mortgage their house to keep a business open is the closest to achieving altruism.
[/quote]
Also this.
If any of you think the people making these millions every year are only working 2080 hours a year and fucking around on the weekends in their big houses, you are sadly mistaken.
99.9999% of us couldn’t do what they do, live what they live or run what they run. But we are entitled to a cut of the money they earn? Please.
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
no that is not what I mean , most of the lies you stated are broken promises[/quote]
No, they are positions taken to get elected and move poll numbers only to be conveniently reversed when the time comes to act.
[quote]thunderbolt23 wrote:
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
no that is not what I mean , most of the lies you stated are broken promises[/quote]
No, they are positions taken to get elected and move poll numbers only to be conveniently reversed when the time comes to act.[/quote]
They are promises designed to get Obama elected , I agree but they are still broken promises. He is not saying that Obama care should be law and then Obama care should not be law and then say I was never for either side . That is what I am saying
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
[quote]thunderbolt23 wrote:
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
no that is not what I mean , most of the lies you stated are broken promises[/quote]
No, they are positions taken to get elected and move poll numbers only to be conveniently reversed when the time comes to act.[/quote]
They are promises designed to get Obama elected , I agree but they are still broken promises. He is not saying that Obama care should be law and then Obama care should not be law and then say I was never for either side . That is what I am saying[/quote]
Do you realize that you are rationalizing Obama’s lies? Both men are saying one thing and then at a later date for political purposes reversing themselves.
You like Obama more than Romney so you are rationalizing Obama’s lies to justify a vote for him.
My gosh can’t you see that?
Both men have lied.
Simple.