Why Wait to do HGH?

[quote]maverick88 wrote:

Don’t want to hijack the thread but, what do you think of peptides? GHRP-6 + CJC. I have read that taking 3x a day saturation dose (100mcg) can be the equivalent of 5iu GH I have seen lower and higher but, that is the avg. Possible? For one looking into better skin, hair, nails and overall well being would it be worth it? The price is right.[/quote]

I actually haven’t read up on peptides at all, to be honest. I would have to defer to the guys who’ve actually used them to see how they rate the benefits until I decide to look at them in depth. The cheap cost of them makes them a very attractive option to experiment with because you’re not out a million dollars if it doesn’t work as well…and the HPTA doesn’t take a beating like it would “experimenting” with a 3 month run of AAS lol.

My scientifically educated WAG is that it is possible and probably pretty good if those (skin, hair, nails, health) are your only goals, particularly because of the low cost.

Aragon I think your right… I use HGH for health & leaness, repair… However I may try it in a diffrent protocal when bulking up just to see what happens… If I was to try the BBB method I would basically take my weekly total dose and divide it by 3 so 12iu E3D broke out into 3 shots IM or IV… Morning - pre WO, then PW right? Even though IV is whats recomended I think I’ll stick with IM

[quote]thehebrewhero wrote:
Aragon I think your right… I use HGH for health & leaness, repair… However I may try it in a diffrent protocal when bulking up just to see what happens… If I was to try the BBB method I would basically take my weekly total dose and divide it by 3 so 12iu E3D broke out into 3 shots IM or IV… Morning - pre WO, then PW right? Even though IV is whats recomended I think I’ll stick with IM[/quote]

Essentially yes. I’d do it in 4 shots as well, depending on when you train (You don’t want to hit it in the evening though of course, so might just do 3 anyways, especially if they’re all IM to avoid peak overlap and space the valleys out :slight_smile: ). BBB was pretty clear about ramping both the daily dose and the individual injection IUs up to assess sides. I’d actually probably start 3x a week instead of E3D, do it on either the hardest workouts of the week from an energy standpoint, or your biggest aesthetic weak point days. I don’t remember off the top of my head but I recall BBB saying the pre-workout shot should be about 20-30 minutes before your workout and the post as soon after as possible.

If you feel comfortable doing the IV route, it would be easier to get 4 shots in a day. Also, IV is probably the best way to do the morning shot since it dumps the signalling pathways right away and since your free fatty acids are highest then from the fast in the night (same goes for the post WO shot so it hits the system faster).

[quote]maverick88 wrote:

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[quote]99Teezy wrote:

[quote]The-German wrote:
Unlikely the blend would have anything to do with the short temper. Test is not the only option though so maybe consider adding another compound and reduce the test to 150-250/W. What was your last cycle?[/quote]

It was 16 weeks:
weeks 1-4, 150 twice/week(Tues and Fri)
weeks 5-8, 200 " "
weeks 9-12, 250 " "
week 13, 200, " "
week 14, 200, " "
week 15, 150, " "
week 16, 150, " "

(no PCT)

What other compound would you recommend adding with a low dose of test?

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Well shit. That’s your problem right there. No PCT is a dumb fucking thing to do my friend. Let me guess, you also didn’t use any arimidex or other anti-estrgoen? FYI, as far as testosterone is concerned short temper, mental issues, and depression is due to fluctuation in estrogen levels not the androgen itself. These manifest at all points along your cycle but most noticeable in post cycle time for many people because now your test production is gone.

I don’t post much in these forums but this is an easy eaaaasy fix to your problem, or at least much of it if not all of it.

Regarding hGH, if time and money aren’t an issue and you have already decided to try it then I’m not going to try to talk you down. You’re 30, and an adult. I will say however, two things. 1) if you are looking for rapid gains in bodyweight don’t use GH by itself without androgens. If you are fine with slow gains, sort of like an enhanced natural trainee then you could swing that. 2) if you are looking for good results in mesomorphic type way (meaning strength, muscle, etc), then whoever posted 5 iu 3x a week is about twice as low as it needs to be…meaning your usage will skyrocket 10 iu x3-4 days a week…IF you use the IM and IV injection multiple times a day method. If you use the traditional sub q daily route it is gonna be waaaay more and waaay more expensive, like 50+ius a week.

If, on the other hand, you are looking for a bit of fat loss, feeling of well being, and increased resilience against injury and tendon issues, then something along the lines of 3iu a day (like baseball pitcher Roger Clemens) is in line with your goals. but you likely will not notice any strength boosts or notable muscle gains…like I mentioned “natural training plus”.
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Don’t want to hijack the thread but, what do you think of peptides? GHRP-6 + CJC. I have read that taking 3x a day saturation dose (100mcg) can be the equivalent of 5iu GH I have seen lower and higher but, that is the avg. Possible? For one looking into better skin, hair, nails and overall well being would it be worth it? The price is right.[/quote]

Actually, if you read through other forums (DATBTRU) the studies/research shows that 3 saturation doses, morning, post workout, and bed time is about 15iu. Although, as it has been said it is a min of 4-6 months for results to be noticeable.

Heres a question, perhaps a foolish one, what is the minimum amount of HGH one can run for muscle retention in general or following a cycle? Is it one of those the more the better ideologies or is there a cut off.

I ask because I’d like to give it a go, but its way expensive. The cheapest I have found it was $235 for a pack of 100iu. At a dose of say 5iu a day, that doesn’t even cover the month. I may have to kick it to the back burner for awhile considering I’m not a wealthy man and the duration it takes to matter, but I wonder if a >=3iu dose a day will make any significant difference.

[quote]thehebrewhero wrote:
That sounds pretty much spot on… HGH isnt a miricle drug it is great for healing, anti aging and has benifits for getting bigger stronger but HGH alone wont make you huge…
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I don’t know about the healing part, but I think the anti-aging effects of GH have been vastly overhyped. There is still a lot of controversy and hearsay as to how safe it is. e.g. GH is a tropic hormone for IGF-1, which appears to have links to the development of some forms of cancer. Further evidence against GH for anti-aging can be seen if you look at Laron-type (GH receptors don’t work) dwarfism. Laron-type dwarfs tend to be very long-lived, and have much lower rates of many major diseases, such as many cancers and type II diabetes. This isn’t to say that GH won’t reverse the appearance/feeling of aging, just that it may be implicated in a lot of age-related diseases.

I’m not saying don’t take hGH. Just be informed about the choices you make. Just because the general public believes that hGH is quite safe (while simultaneously vilifying testosterone) doesn’t mean they’re right.