aren’t there plenty of good supps. out there that are naturally beneficial? I myself would never take steroids, but I have an open mind and would like to hear the rational you all have for taking them yourselves.
Supplement are micro-nutriment, food in a more concentrate form…
Roids are synthetic hormones, no possible comparison
said it before and will say it again…
Because I can !!!
I’m going to be 55 this week and 2yrs ago I would pick the lightest pair of shoes to wear because I was literally dragging my feet. Test level was 170. Since then I’ve put on 15 lbs muscle, lost close to 2 inches off my waist and play 2 hours of racquet ball 2,3 times a wk and lift 2,3times wk.
Beings I’m nuts and don’t have a 55 yr old thought in my head, I have to learn that my body can’t take what I put it thru. I’m guessing I’
I think the better question is why not? Why do people drink? does it offer an type of benefit to their body or mind? Why do people smoke? These acts aren’t seen as deviant because of the socially constructed norms in our society. We have labeled steroids as “bad” when in reality way more people will die as a result of alcohol and smoking than anything else.
I follow the simple rule of “anything in moderation is ok”. Steroids were created for medicinal purposes and are used often to help with wasting away diseases and etc. Personally it gives me a sense of well being, helps me recover faster so I can be active more, and I will use them after my surgery to help build an atrophied muscle I need nerve work on.
also a lot the supplements on the market are pretty damn dangerous - some of these supps containing NO and what not should be illegal - they have been known to cause signifcant decreases in bloodpressure leading hospitilization, as well as heart palpatations …
with steroids we have roughly 60years of recorded results - with a lot of the crap on the market we have less than 5years - we dont knw their longterm sideffects …
in my sincerest opinion - steroids are probably safer than 90percent of these muscle building supplements … i just dont trust the shit out there …
anything in excess is dangerous - with a proper diet, sufficient training and precautions - steroids will provide individuals with solid gains - and no threat to their physical and mental health -its when you start using rediculous amounts and doing stupid shit like changing blood levels every week - eating shitty … etc that you start to fuck yourself - and no offence to anyone but if you do stupid shit you deserve the sides …
[quote]MrBman wrote:
with steroids we have roughly 60years of recorded results - with a lot of the crap on the market we have less than 5years - we dont knw their longterm sideffects …
in my sincerest opinion - steroids are probably safer than 90percent of these muscle building supplements … i just dont trust the shit out there …
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Exactly. Look at all these new medications that are advertised on TV. The list of possible side effects are usualy much worse then the original problem. Then every month or so one of them gets yanked off the shelf because the side effects are too severe but most people don’t think twice about taking them-since they’re legal they must be safe.
The reason steroids have such a bad rap is because of ignorant assholes that don’t want to take the time to learn how to use them safely. Then the media picks up on this and starts making ridiculous claims that steroids will make you go crazy and kill your family then you will suffer a major heart attack at 40 and die.
[quote]AlterEgo721 wrote:
I myself would never take steroids, [/quote]
Here is my question for you, why?
[quote]firestanggt wrote:
AlterEgo721 wrote:
I myself would never take steroids,
Here is my question for you, why?[/quote]
Exactly, never is a long time.
[quote]olderguy wrote:
firestanggt wrote:
AlterEgo721 wrote:
I myself would never take steroids,
Here is my question for you, why?
Exactly, never is a long time. [/quote]\
I always thought steroids were bad for you and that they shrunk your balls and made you look like a ridiculous meat-head. See these are things I “thought” and like I said when I first posted I have an open mind and want to know why you all take them.
I admit I am undereducated on the issue and have possibly bought into the “bad wrap” they get. This is mainly why I posted this thread so those of you who have been around the block with this stuff can actually tell me what the deal is and actually thank you so far for your thoughts.
I guess for now I am satisfied taking the supps of T-Nation. I trust the Biotest brand and feel it will continue helping me with the gains I have in mind. =)
Well to be honest my first cycle was for recovery. I tried the drugs and rehab that my Dr.'s gave me and it didn’t help. They had put me on steroids, but not ones that were doing me any good. I would spend all day in the bathroom b/c my stomach would hurt so bad and they were actually making my joints worse!
I’m finally now feeling 100% again and it’s great! After that just b/c I’m vain and like to look good 
[quote]AlterEgo721 wrote:
I always thought steroids were bad for you and that they shrunk your balls and made you look like a ridiculous meat-head.
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Wasn’t it Conseco that said “It shrinks your ball, so your dick looks bigger”?
how is that bad for you?
[quote]Airtruth wrote:
AlterEgo721 wrote:
I always thought steroids were bad for you and that they shrunk your balls and made you look like a ridiculous meat-head.
Wasn’t it Conseco that said “It shrinks your ball, so your dick looks bigger”?
how is that bad for you?[/quote]
I don’t know about you, but anything…ANYTHING that changes my physical anatomy down there I’ll stay pretty clear from…lol…but hey to each his own…
[quote]AlterEgo721 wrote:
I guess for now I am satisfied taking the supps of T-Nation. I trust the Biotest brand and feel it will continue helping me with the gains I have in mind. =)
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Um… Biotest doesn’t sell any steroids.
I thought like you once upon a time. Ignorance is your enemy. Read up on exactly what drugs and supps do to and for a person, before condemning those that use them.
One of these days, you’ll realize testosterone is your best friend. A little extra test is better.
Oh, and your avatar creeps me OUT!
To begin with, testicular atrophy doesn’t always happen, especially to those on a somewhat milder dose. There are also many ways to recover from it.
There are many reasons that people may take exogenous testosterone, but I can tell you from personal experience that the first reason that I started considering it was the decrease in my body’s own natural ability to produce testosterone. I am over 30 now and I became increasingly interested in “legal” HRT, but the ironic thing is that after investigating legal ways it became clear to me that it would be more expensive (even though I have insurance) to do it this way than to get it through illicit means.
So that what opened the door for me. Now that I have done a cycle (just one) I can tell you many other reasons that I might encourage a full grown, mature, emotionally and financially stable man with at least 10 years of training experience to consider it
Number one it makes you feel amazing, and it helps you break through plateaus that may have existed for years. There are no documented medical studies that it has the kind of danger in healthy adult men that many hystericals claim.
Number two: Compared to your beloved “supplements” it gives you way more bang for your buck than anything I’ve ever tried. A decent beginner cycle of test runs around 100-150 bucks, and if you eat and train properly you gain around 20 pounds of muscle and really not any fat (or lose some) even after having lifted weights at dieted properly for many, many years beforehand.
Do you know anything else in the world that you can get a 2 month supply of at GNC for that amount of money that will help you do that (even while busting your ass in the gym)? You know how much money I’ve wasted in the past on androstendione? HMB? CSP-1 Myostatin inhibitors? NO2? I could go on all day, but I will spare you.
Number 3: It gives you an “edge” in life. I don’t know the exact psychological thing that having all that extra test does to your brain, but I can say that it enhances many other areas of your life. You are in a great mood. Your sex life is great. You have a ton of energy. 21 year old girls check you out. You are an animal in the gym. 21 year old girls check you out. Did I mention 21 year old girls check you out?
The bottom line it, I use to be like you, thinking they were terrible, they made you look freakish, they were cheating, they were dangerous, ect., ect. Then I started reading. Then I read some more. Then I checked out pub med. Then I read some more. Then I got a source, some PCT, some clean needles and jumped in. I’m glad I did. Hope that helps 
what exactly do you mean by changes in your physical anatomy down there? do you realize that roids do nothing to your dick - fuck ive never gotten testicular dsytrophy - for some of those that have … it will go away when you finish that cycle (if not shortly after it appears while still on) …
if you do it rite … the main reason people get testicular dystrophy is because there is a decrease in the leutinizing homrones - and the function of leydig cells … this obviously due to the detection of a testosterone surplus - if your smart - your boys will be up and running when you finish your cycle … if your a dumbass you deserve the sides you get -
any of these supps on the market have very little research done on them - i wouldnt be surprised if there was a direct correlation with severe health problems and the usage of many of these legal supps
sure you dont see the internal changes that these legal muscle building agents cause - but im sure there pretty fukt - infact many of these nitrogen oxide containing supplements cause permananent alterations to ones cardiovasucal sytem, far worst than anything steroids can do
when i take juice i know exactly what to expect - i undesrtand the risks associated with them - and i know how protect myself effectively to prevent any damage to my health - i also am quite aware of warning signs of trouble - i also now how to eat and how to train - i know how to be responsible - my understanding of the compounds i put in my body is the only reason i do what i do…
let me ask you something - how much do you know about what you put in your body? do understand each of the individual components of the supplements you take and their effects on your body - both shorterm and longterm, how to avoid these sides and the severity of the sides associated with this product? do understand these effects down to the precise hormonal changes that they cause - and the echooing effect of these changes?
you asked why i juice - i know the answer to every question written above and many more …
well to be honest you don’t need the steroids, they can put risk even if done correctly. Of course they give great results, but many people can achieve great results naturally and through time. The reason why people don’t want to do it is because it is one illegal, two slightly dangerous, three its cheating yourself from your natural potential. Not to mention it’s kind of addictive in nature, and becomes expensive.
That being said though steroids are pretty much safe and can greatly alter your body in a good way. I for one support steroids and think that there is really no reason they should be illegal.
Alright now let me cover what you just said
A) People can get over a headache but they still take Advil, People can only get so far naturally and no matter what your test levels will drop as you age so then what?
B) Downloading songs is illegal, Drinking before you are 21 is illegal, speeding is illegal, laws don’t necessarily determine what is good and bad. If you can serve in the army at 18 a fucking drink wont kill you.
C)Steroids are dangerous right? Well what thing in excess isn’t dangerous? Anti-oxidants are great in helping to prevent cancer however too much can actually increase the risk of cancer. Drinking alcohol excessively will kill your liver, however drinks here and then are ok. Everything in this world is about moderation. Steroids done correctly, with sane dosages, good diet, and proper pct will have no true danger to them.
D) it is addictive if you let it become addivtive, this comes down to you, if you are weak mentally then don’t take it, they arent for you.
E) Think about what people spend on bullshit supplements these days like cell tech for 60 dollars a month and so on. Trade all that crap in and if you have a good source the expense shouldn’t be to bad.
Rant over