What's your explanantion II

Pharma
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Well, I guess the opposite question to what a very popular thread currently going around asks would be:

“What’s your explanation for not using steroids?”

For me, it is a multitude of reasons including;

They are illegal and I have too much to lose, materially and emotionally, if I were arrested.

My age makes its dificult to guess at the correct dosing. My prostate, liver, heart and kidneys already have a lot of miles on them.

I lost one testicle 36 years ago and I don’t really want to risk shutting the other one dowm. It may more difficult to get just one jump started again.

I don’t feel the need to be any bigger. The fact that I went to the doctors the other day and, as I was later told, the nurses had a pool on guessing my age. The oldest age guessed was 8 years younger than I am. I don’t need any bigger ego boost than that.

I avoid physical confrontations and believe that the brain, properly utilized, is a bigger intimidation tool than size is.

BTW, I have instant access to EQ and Winstrol at my farm so availability isn’t an issue.

Oh, and yes, I have used Mag10 and think it is great. However, it is legal, pre-dosed, from a reliable source and does not shut my lonely little jewel down.

However, the topic of steroids facinates me and I, therefore, am constantly trying to improve upon my knowledge of them to satisfy my own curiosity. I don’t care if anyone else takes them as long as they are male, phyically mature, mentally stable and mature, in good health, know what they are doing and won’t whine if pinched.

Any other non-users want to step up and give your reasons?

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you probably wont get to many responses from non users simply because they probabaly dont frequent this board.

“Oh, and yes, I have used Mag10 and think it is great. However, it is legal, pre-dosed, from a reliable source and does not shut my lonely little jewel down.”

obviously there is no arguing the legality issue. but i believe if you used the proper drugs as well as ancillaries you could get by with little to no suprression, similiar to mag-10.

imo if you are using mag-10 or similiar products you are using roids. or at least seeking the effects of roids. mag-10 will probably be illegal some day, will you look back and call your self a criminal when that happens?

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P-DOG, my personal definition of steroids includes the illegality issue. I define Mag10, eggs, et al., as legal supplements or food having steroidal like qualities. Others may have different definitions but that is the one I choose to use in my thinking.

My wife has taken ephedra in the past. No, I don’t consider her a criminal because she used it when it was legal. If she used it now, I’d have her ass thrown in jail faster than you could say Deca Dick! Hasta la vista, baby. :slight_smile:

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Needle phobia is my biggest reason.
Medical definition: Needle phobia is characterized by the vasovagal reflex reaction, a frightening reaction which includes plunging blood pressure and (often) loss of consciousness. This reaction generally occurs only after puberty, and is more common in men than women.
Legality is an issue and I would not risk getting arrested, too much to loose
(like Avoids). Morally I have no problems with the use of AAS; I used Mag 10 and M1T and might do an oral only cycle if I find myself in a country where I can do it legally and safely. On the other hand at 5?8 and 195-200Lbs I have been asked many times if I?m taking “something”.

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Excellent post as always from Avoid Roids.

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I’m only 20.

I have friends that are going into law enforcement (game warden and state trooper) and I don’t want to put them in an awkward position.

I’d like to achieve more naturally, there’s a lot left.

I still live with my parents, and I’m not going to be responsible for getting their house searched.

Jail doesn’t seem like too much fun.

Peace,
Ryan

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“I avoid physical confrontations and believe that the brain, properly utilized, is a bigger intimidation tool than size is.”

That’s certainly a good point Avoids Roids. One we should all adhere to. Not to mention that beating the crap out of someone can land you in jail pretty fast.

Well, I guess I can respond to your question here. I took a beating in the previous thread for telling a guy he lacked confidence without steroids. No, my opinion was not illicited but it was just that, my opinion.

Why do I not use steroids when in fact I used them for seven months when I was 19 y.o. and again for one month when I was 21 (it’s been over 20 years since I used). Because, I did not want to spend my entire adult life on drugs. I DEFINITELY AGREE that steroids can make you feel great, confident, strong as hell, pump you up, etc. But, this is from the drug. It is not real! All of a sudden somebody becomes a badass because they pumped their body full of hormones?

Did Bruce Lee take steroids? Tom Brady? At heart, I’m an athlete and I like the idea of being a “Natural” lifter. I acknowledge that some/many competitive athletes use AAS. I am not vehemently against the use of AAS by competitive athletes (I believe it’s a decision they have to make), although I’m not thrilled about it either (okay, a little contradictory). Of course, I don’t like what is going on in professional baseball right now, and I’m certainly not alone on this. I am against guys/gals taking steroids who have no competitive aspirations and are only doing it to pump up their egos and look tough. In my opinion, these are small people or may just be misguided and will eventually see the light.

I love working out and want to do it for the rest of my life. I believe that steroids put you on a physical and psychological roller coaster that, at least for me, is very undesirable. I have not even discussed the potential harm these drugs can do to the body if not properly used. I concur that used intelligently and sporadically, side effects from AAS use can be minimal. However, significant risks are still present.

As Avoid Roids pointed out, one cannot ignore legal issues either. I don’t believe that serious legal problems are something that anybody wants to deal with. I think we’ve all seen many stories recently about people being busted for AAS use, possession, etc. Very embarassing and costly!

Heavy drug use has ruined men’s pro bodybuilding (see t.mag’s annual Dead Pools) and made women’s bodybuilding a disgusting fetish-oriented abomination. Bodybuilding was cool back in the 70’s and yeah, Arnold & Co. used. But, what happened? I guess, too much of a good thing. Very unfortunate. Pro bodybuilding is currently seeing a number of big-name stars with serious health problems… livers, kidneys, etc. If this does not give one pause for concern I don’t know what would.

Lastly, I love working out so much and feeling that I’m responsible for my condition and progress… nothing else. I want to know how different methods and procedures I’m utilizing in the gym are working for me. How can I know this if I’m on drugs? I want to constantly be learning.

I guess that’s enough. Peace to everybody and may we all choose the best paths for ourselves.

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I have stockpiled Mag-10 from the various sales that Biotest put on, as I could afford it. I have yet to take any of it. The reason? Because I have not yet reached the level of training and dietary discipline and committment that I personally require of myself before using Mag-10. And that goes quadruple for steroids. Plus that whole legality thing really puts a damper on it.

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The legality issues are the ONLY reason that I don’t/haven’t taken them.

If I could find a reliable source that would prolly push me over the edge into doing them.

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'I want to know how different methods and procedures I’m utilizing in the gym are working for me. How can I know this if I’m on drugs? I want to constantly be learning. ’

Why would the same methods not apply to training when on AAS as when not? Speaking from a the perspective of someone who just wants to lift heavier In my experience the gains are just bigger but they come for all the same reasons.
When natural I have been setting PR’s every couple of weeks while ‘on’ I am setting them every workout. But I can still tell if my training is going where it should, I know whether the PR is a good one or not while on the sauce. Yes I may still set a PR with poor technique just cause I am on but I can tell from experience whether this is the case or not cause I know when I hit the groove and I am firing on all cylinders. Yes recovery is improved but then I am lifting with bigger loads so it all balances out.

I think your statement only applies to people with out the necessary training experience behind them. These people shouldn’t be using AAS cause they will be short-changing themselves.

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I think I’d get some wicked backne.

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I’ve read the posts from the vets who use and have come to the conclusion that I’m simply not smart enought to do it right.Plus I don’t think I could afford it anyway.

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creed:

You make a good point. Even though I’ve lifted weights for a long time in some regards I feel like a beginner because I’m trying some new things in the gym. For example, after my competitive powerlifting “career” (if you want to call it that!) many years ago, my physical condition sort of degenerated and I suffered some painful and troubling low back problems. Over the past few years I’ve been doing things like GM’s and lately deadlifts and I’ve gotten much better. However, I’m still pretty new to deadlifting and I have a ways to go… even though I deadlifted 500 in a power meet at 165 back in 1981! Although I was strong back then (I was using d-bol, I admit, which helped), my form sucked, I hurt my back, and I was never the same again. I’m teaching myself how to deadlift all over again and it’s going great. I’m not using a belt and I’m following Pavel T.'s techniques. However, as previously stated, I’ve got a ways to go.

I appreciate your input and feedback.

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Mostly because the dealers in my city are a pain to deal with (due to not being the brightest and being arrested often) and I heavily question the purity of their stuff. Not to mention that the same guys who sell steroids here also sell cocaine.

I definitely don’t need steroids at my stage in the iron game, and probably won’t for 15 years.

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Kenman all respect due, your 500 DL at 165 puts you well ahead of me but to add Louie Simmons himself admits to being on AAS for 28 years straight, never coming off!!

Quote ‘There’s no possible way I can train the way I do without taking anabolics, but the same techniques of training apply even if you’re natural.’

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ryan, i understand your concern as my bro-inlaw is a highly ranked member of my state police narcotics division. he and i have become quite close. we both share a passion for physical fitness. we talk often about chemical use as physical fitness is concerned. his take is that it should be legal. but, thats not the point i am trying to make. my point to this is, he would never think of asking me if i use, much less take action. he loves me, his neices and nephews, and my wife too much. although i am quite certain he suspects. at the same time, i would never think of telling him i use. this is a simple way of not confronting the issue. not making him make a tough decision. most people that use have to cross this bridge in some way. your friends who are going into law enforcement are not that special in the big scheme of things. think about your parents, wife or girlfriend, kids, etc. all of us that use have to make our decisions when asked by these people, who are noticing us getting bigger, and bigger, and bigger. at that time is when we either trust them with our most guarded secret, or lie to them to protect them. as far as the legallity issue is concerned. i have always said, if i ever go down, i am done. i will never touch or use again. i know some of you will say, it only takes once because the police can lock you up for 50 years over one bottle of test. it is my opinion that this is not the “real life” reality of things. in my research, and real life experience, keeping a small, personal use, amount of gear is not going to warrant any actual time in jail for a first offense in my state. yes you will be arrested, booked, and need bailed out. yes you will have court hearings, and probably be found guilty and have a criminal record. yes you will be fined, and possibly get several years probation. no, you will not have your house confiscated. no, you will not be locked up in the state pen for 20 years, or anytime at all at that. no, i will not lose my job. i have weighed the risks and decided i am in the game until i am busted the first time. i just pray that never happens.

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Kenman,

I got a kick out of your line about the belt. As I read it I realized that I don’t even think about using a belt for anything anymore, whereas I used to use it for everything. Since I lost the belt my back has been bulletproof.

Basher, anyone who can read and study can learn to use steroids safely - or learn that their particular health/mental health issues would make such usage dangerous. As far as being affordable, I have to say that if you calculate out the cost per pound of lean body mass gained, steroids are probably the cheapest supplement out there for those who have reached their genetic potential.

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“yes you will be arrested, booked, and need bailed out. yes you will have court hearings, and probably be found guilty and have a criminal record. yes you will be fined, and possibly get several years probation”

fuck that! if i ever suspect the heat is on im loading all my gear into syringes and shooting it all over my body!

no evidence…

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I have a post in the nutrition and training about some 4-AD I just picked up and that is as close as I am going to steriods for a while because:(excuses)

  1. legality
  2. I’m poor
  3. I’m young and don’t want to mess up my own test production yet. The reason I have the andro I do is because I didn’t have to pay for it and it will only last me 10 days and probably come no where close to shutting my natural test down.
    Those are the only reasons I can think of. So if you take them good for you. Be smart, read up, train hard, eat up, and GET BIG.
    DA
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"fuck that! if i ever suspect the heat is on im loading all my gear into syringes and shooting it all over my body!

no evidence…"

As long as you have an alibi for the syringes.