Why Steroids Were Never an Option

Training Over 35 Lifter
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[quote]bulldog9899 wrote:

[quote]marlboroman wrote:
so let me throw this one out there…

anybody ever stir around the idea of giving anabolics a go in the later decades…like thier late 50’s or 60’s ?

lets face it , strength gains will probably have slowed to a crawl ; shit’s startin to break down for most in their 60’s ; sex is often a memory by then …and so on . I could be wrong on some of these as I’m not there yet , but I’d bet Im pretty close

so why not go out with a bang ? why not feel like you’re in your 40’s again ?

Im not talking pro-sized stacks , just enough to get that edge back .

(Im not trying to persuade anybody into anything…just a couple thoughts from left field )[/quote]
I don’t have any issue with this. Its funny that women in are society( no offense ladies just making a observation) who has hormonal issues can get forms of estrogen. But it seems it viewed differently to a certain degree for a man to do the same with Testerone[/quote]

true dat . commercials all over the airwaves tellin’ the gals to ask their doctoer about it . but Ive heard it’s like pullin teeth for a guy to get on TRT .

and Im pretty sure that most fellas in their 50’s and 60’s would have the necessary discipline and maturity to keep things from getting out of hand.

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[quote]marlboroman wrote:

[quote]bulldog9899 wrote:

[quote]marlboroman wrote:
so let me throw this one out there…

anybody ever stir around the idea of giving anabolics a go in the later decades…like thier late 50’s or 60’s ?

lets face it , strength gains will probably have slowed to a crawl ; shit’s startin to break down for most in their 60’s ; sex is often a memory by then …and so on . I could be wrong on some of these as I’m not there yet , but I’d bet Im pretty close

so why not go out with a bang ? why not feel like you’re in your 40’s again ?

Im not talking pro-sized stacks , just enough to get that edge back .

(Im not trying to persuade anybody into anything…just a couple thoughts from left field )[/quote]
I don’t have any issue with this. Its funny that women in are society( no offense ladies just making a observation) who has hormonal issues can get forms of estrogen. But it seems it viewed differently to a certain degree for a man to do the same with Testerone[/quote]

true dat . commercials all over the airwaves tellin’ the gals to ask their doctoer about it . but Ive heard it’s like pullin teeth for a guy to get on TRT .

and Im pretty sure that most fellas in their 50’s and 60’s would have the necessary discipline and maturity to keep things from getting out of hand.
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Yeah, I don’t see many 50 to 60 year olds going on a “Pro stack” like you mentioned above. Honestly , 10 years ago I was 100% anti roids. Anymore I just don’t care. As long as some jerk wad isn’t using and entering a advertised drug free comp or some young teenage boy is trying it.I don’t care. I say more power to them. Hell, if you look at all the prescription drugs advertised on TV and just listen to all the side effect at the end. Hell some of those drugs side effects are worse then roids.

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I wouldn’t do them because I would be afraid I would get hooked on them and I would have to give up my 27 year run as “Natural”. I don’t think it’s a bad thing for people to do as long as they own their shit when asked about it and they educate them selfs on how to use it properly.

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[quote]bulldog9899 wrote:

[quote]marlboroman wrote:

[quote]bulldog9899 wrote:

[quote]marlboroman wrote:
so let me throw this one out there…

anybody ever stir around the idea of giving anabolics a go in the later decades…like thier late 50’s or 60’s ?

lets face it , strength gains will probably have slowed to a crawl ; shit’s startin to break down for most in their 60’s ; sex is often a memory by then …and so on . I could be wrong on some of these as I’m not there yet , but I’d bet Im pretty close

so why not go out with a bang ? why not feel like you’re in your 40’s again ?

Im not talking pro-sized stacks , just enough to get that edge back .

(Im not trying to persuade anybody into anything…just a couple thoughts from left field )[/quote]
I don’t have any issue with this. Its funny that women in are society( no offense ladies just making a observation) who has hormonal issues can get forms of estrogen. But it seems it viewed differently to a certain degree for a man to do the same with Testerone[/quote]

true dat . commercials all over the airwaves tellin’ the gals to ask their doctoer about it . but Ive heard it’s like pullin teeth for a guy to get on TRT .

and Im pretty sure that most fellas in their 50’s and 60’s would have the necessary discipline and maturity to keep things from getting out of hand.
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Yeah, I don’t see many 50 to 60 year olds going on a “Pro stack” like you mentioned above. Honestly , 10 years ago I was 100% anti roids. Anymore I just don’t care. As long as some jerk wad isn’t using and entering a advertised drug free comp or some young teenage boy is trying it.I don’t care. I say more power to them. Hell, if you look at all the prescription drugs advertised on TV and just listen to all the side effect at the end. Hell some of those drugs side effects are worse then roids.[/quote]

Found it very interesting the other day at the local commercial gym, they were running ads for an ‘anti-aging’ clinic for men, where you can get test, HGH, etc prescribed. At one of the more HC gyms I go to there are signs stating ‘members engaging in conversation about anabolics will be banned’.

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[quote]PeteS wrote:

Found it very interesting the other day at the local commercial gym, they were running ads for an ‘anti-aging’ clinic for men, where you can get test, HGH, etc prescribed. At one of the more HC gyms I go to there are signs stating ‘members engaging in conversation about anabolics will be banned’. [/quote]

I find that pretty damn funny myself. Talk about irony!!! The one place your average gym member thinks would be a hot bed for steroids. Bands even the discussion of them. While there commercial gym is basically running a ad promoting where they can get all the “goodies” legally. LOL

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[quote]PeteS wrote:
Found it very interesting the other day at the local commercial gym, they were running ads for an ‘anti-aging’ clinic for men, where you can get test, HGH, etc prescribed. At one of the more HC gyms I go to there are signs stating ‘members engaging in conversation about anabolics will be banned’. [/quote]
Sounds like a violation of free speech. Although I guess most of this stuff is illegal? Truly, I don’t know much about it. There is a guy at my gym who sells and is always hawking it to teenage boys. That bothers me.

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[quote]kpsnap wrote:

[quote]PeteS wrote:
Found it very interesting the other day at the local commercial gym, they were running ads for an ‘anti-aging’ clinic for men, where you can get test, HGH, etc prescribed. At one of the more HC gyms I go to there are signs stating ‘members engaging in conversation about anabolics will be banned’. [/quote]
Sounds like a violation of free speech. Although I guess most of this stuff is illegal? Truly, I don’t know much about it. There is a guy at my gym who sells and is always hawking it to teenage boys. That bothers me.[/quote]

you bet…selling to a kid is just plain fucked up . that asshole should have his balls cut off .

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In regards to the posts about the lack of commercials for TRT…have you guys seen the ad where the guy is ‘mopey’, but his shadow is how he ‘used’ to be? It’s an ad specifically for Low T. Thoughts?

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[quote]sen say wrote:
In regards to the posts about the lack of commercials for TRT…have you guys seen the ad where the guy is ‘mopey’, but his shadow is how he ‘used’ to be? It’s an ad specifically for Low T. Thoughts?[/quote]

I have not . is it regarding an otc supplement by any chance ? as in a tribulus/long-jack product ?

or is it advertising actual testosterone enhancement ?

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[quote]kpsnap wrote:

[quote]PeteS wrote:
Found it very interesting the other day at the local commercial gym, they were running ads for an ‘anti-aging’ clinic for men, where you can get test, HGH, etc prescribed. At one of the more HC gyms I go to there are signs stating ‘members engaging in conversation about anabolics will be banned’. [/quote]
Sounds like a violation of free speech. Although I guess most of this stuff is illegal? Truly, I don’t know much about it. There is a guy at my gym who sells and is always hawking it to teenage boys. That bothers me.[/quote]

that ain’t cool. or smart.

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[quote]bulldog9899 wrote:

[quote]PeteS wrote:

Found it very interesting the other day at the local commercial gym, they were running ads for an ‘anti-aging’ clinic for men, where you can get test, HGH, etc prescribed. At one of the more HC gyms I go to there are signs stating ‘members engaging in conversation about anabolics will be banned’. [/quote]

I find that pretty damn funny myself. Talk about irony!!! The one place your average gym member thinks would be a hot bed for steroids. Bands even the discussion of them. While there commercial gym is basically running a ad promoting where they can get all the “goodies” legally. LOL[/quote]

the economics are the factor. HGH and Test are fine and legal if you can afford an anti-aging clinics prices…

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I have seen the “low T” commercials. i don’t like them. alot more than low testosterone can make you mopey

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[quote]mjnewland wrote:
I have seen the “low T” commercials. i don’t like them. alot more than low testosterone can make you mopey[/quote]
Care to share?

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i think it’s a shame that most people allow themselves to get old. I feel that my grandparents were always old to me. my father who isn’t even 60 yet has considered himself old since he was 40. I hope some day it will be socially acceptable for both men AND women to do HRT. There is definitely a stigma attached to a man wanting to replace his lowered T levels but for a woman it’s common place to replace her estrogen levels.

I really don’t see why anyone should just allow themselves to fall apart when they could do something about it. I’ve known quit a few guys that have gone on HRT and it has changed their lives.

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I agree with Marauder on this. If I were having trouble with my t levels I would most assuredly get treatment for it. I’m 42 with a 3 year old son which means I’m in my 50’s when he’s getting into his stride in sports and keeping up with him is paramount to me. Heck, I think that it should be covered by insurance if you’re in therapy in conjunction with a good training program. I mean why keep someone from taking care of themselves?

I would never have done steroids when I was younger simply because I didn’t need them for any sport that I did. I’m also not one who is competitive with other people although I’m very much driven by challenge and competing against myself.

james

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[quote]maraudermeat wrote:
i think it’s a shame that most people allow themselves to get old. I feel that my grandparents were always old to me. my father who isn’t even 60 yet has considered himself old since he was 40. I hope some day it will be socially acceptable for both men AND women to do HRT. There is definitely a stigma attached to a man wanting to replace his lowered T levels but for a woman it’s common place to replace her estrogen levels.

I really don’t see why anyone should just allow themselves to fall apart when they could do something about it. I’ve known quit a few guys that have gone on HRT and it has changed their lives. [/quote]

exactly . everybody and their brother would happily accept a prescription for anti-depressants…why ? so they feel “better” . so whats the difference between that and a test script ?

thats where I meant to go with the whole drinking rant . everybody in these parts is OK with sittin in a bar…making themselves feel better ; but actually making themselves fatter and lazier . then they expect a script for some ailment probably related to them being bloated drunks ; but would never consider changing shit in order to fix themselves up . but a normal joe type ( as in Non-Professional)athlete who uses anabolics to keep himself in shape is considered to be a chump…not to mention a criminal .

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Im to scared of the possible side effects. I’ve been told im paranoid about it and there not that bad, but how would I know they were the real deal, i mean, if it’s illegal to obtain than anything could of been added to it to make it go further? I dont know, I just wouldn’t buy them from unqualified suppliers and again, bit scared of them. I veiw it like buying prescription meds in a back alley lol, “yeh man, these will fix u up no probs” lol.

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[quote]maraudermeat wrote:
There is definitely a stigma attached to a man wanting to replace his lowered T levels but for a woman it’s common place to replace her estrogen levels.
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I think the reason for this disparity is the fact that low eostrogen in women can lead to serious health problems like osteoporosis, whereas in men, apart from sexual disfunction (which Viagra has taken care of) there aren’t many serious medical issues from having low testosterone as far as I know and there are no performance enhancing benefits to having raised eostrogen either. Please bear in mind I don’t claim to know anything about this subject so feel free to correct me.

And as we’re being totally honest on this particular thread, I think one can read between the lines a bit (this is a lifting forum after all) and see that when most people on here talk about TRT they are thinking about it more from the “anabolic” angle than a general health perspective. More like “my lifts aren’t going anywhere right now, I’ll get bloods done and hopefully I’ll be low in T and the doctor will put me on it”.

I can’t honestly believe any man here considering TRT is not partially motivated by the effect they think it might have on their lifting. And what better way to deal with the “moral issue” than to be put on it by a medical professional?

I’m just playing devil’s advocate here, I’m not saying that I wouldn’t consider it myself when the time comes, but I do think that men and women’s motivation for getting HRT is very different, hence the stigma.

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^ Farmer it is a hormone replacement, its function is to restore balance in a sense. For women there are actually just as many risks for medical conditions as there are it relieves, and dont want to list them all here.

For men if the medical community that I belong to actually did the same aggressive approach that we do with women we would probably see this same outcome. Some people would think it is the nectar of Gods due to great effects while other would curse its very existence due to side effects and bad outcomes. That is medicine.

Marketing is what does this, society is influenced by TV, Internet and Print media our society has been basically told. “If you take any type of Test replacement you will look like a neanderthal, grow hair every where, want to shag sheep and beat up anybody that talks to you”. TV commercials for woman have them playing in pools, running in fields and sleeping like babies. Not pointing blame just stating a fact.

Hormone replacement for women was pushed due to menopausal symptoms and woman go to the Dr. Men do not go to the Dr unless some thing is seriously wrong. Doc’s hate not being able to fix problems, so hormone replacement was used. If half the country of men over 50 went to there Dr demanding Test replacement, we would have a lot different commercials on TV.

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So why the differing attitude from the medical community? Why are they so eager to prescribe to women and not to men?

and cycnic that I am, it’s never stopped drug companies before from pushing drugs on us we don’t all need via the media (statins, products containing “good bacteria” etc) if there is money to be made!

Why no ads telling all men over 40 they need TRT?, is it expensive to produce?, not enough money in it?