[quote]Myosin wrote:
Also consider the laundry list of steroids, peptides and ancillaries he documented in another video (might have been taken down).[/quote]
He went a little bit insane with it to say the least. Although his usage is becoming the norm for many young aspiring bodybuilders.
[quote]Myosin wrote:
Also consider the laundry list of steroids, peptides and ancillaries he documented in another video (might have been taken down).[/quote]
I think the author mentioned 13 in a year.
I watched an interview of him and he says he spends aroudn $6000-$7000/year on drugs
One point on aging and steroids: I’ve noticed a lot of steroids users (at least from talking to gym buddies and online boards) tend to spend little time on the health aspect.
Little to no fruits and vegetables and largely dirty carbs. I read about one NPC level bodybuilder who would eat 3000-4000 calories a day from McDonalds but stay lean because he was on high doses of T3 while bulking.
Even the guy in the video said he only takes fish oil supps because his girlfriend urges him to (in another video).
[quote]LoRez wrote:
While part of it is a factor of leanness, his face went from looking like he was in his early 20s to looking like he was in his early 30s in the matter of a year.
There are a few current/former posters on this site where I’ve seen something similar.
Just an observation, but something I’d take into consideration.[/quote]
Yeah, I particularly like the ripped-body-but-fat-face look most pro BBers sport today. I didn’t see that in the Dorian era. And the shitty thing is that they don’t even look freakier nowadays. What is up with that?
[quote]infinite_shore wrote:
[quote]LoRez wrote:
While part of it is a factor of leanness, his face went from looking like he was in his early 20s to looking like he was in his early 30s in the matter of a year.
There are a few current/former posters on this site where I’ve seen something similar.
Just an observation, but something I’d take into consideration.[/quote]
Yeah, I particularly like the ripped-body-but-fat-face look most pro BBers sport today. I didn’t see that in the Dorian era. And the shitty thing is that they don’t even look freakier nowadays. What is up with that?[/quote]
My guess is the high use of insulin/ hgh.
[quote]therajraj wrote:
check out this guys 1 year transformation on steroids…
[/quote]
Nice vid, thanks for sharing therajraj
Ok, the dude peeled off some excess baby fat, pinned a gallon of juice, swallowed scads of pills and he still can’t pose. Stop looking at your muscles; they are still there and keep your tongue in your mouth.
I know, not the point…just an observation.
I was put on TRT and having been on the fence before I thought why not and I’ve done two ‘cycles’ so far and I’m glad I did. I look and feel better for it, am medically monitored regularly and if you’re sensible, I think they can be a safe, useful tool.
I will echo the fact that they’re not a magic pill/formula. I know everyone’s heard this as I had before and you probably think that’s just a users way of excusing their assistance. The gains are there for the taking but everything else has to be on point. For example, my first cycle was a cookie cutter 500mg test/wk. I have always tracked macros but after the first few weeks the test started kicking in and I didn’t want to run the risk of not making the most of my bodies new improved ability to utilise calories so I went mad. I upped everything, carbs, fat and protein by about double and guess what, I got fat. Overall I would say I put on about 8-10lbs of lean mass in 12 weeks so obviously it worked to some degree but I guess what I’m saying is if you want to look half decent then you’ve got to do it sensibly.
Just my 2
[quote]Bauber wrote:
[quote]infinite_shore wrote:
[quote]LoRez wrote:
While part of it is a factor of leanness, his face went from looking like he was in his early 20s to looking like he was in his early 30s in the matter of a year.
There are a few current/former posters on this site where I’ve seen something similar.
Just an observation, but something I’d take into consideration.[/quote]
Yeah, I particularly like the ripped-body-but-fat-face look most pro BBers sport today. I didn’t see that in the Dorian era. And the shitty thing is that they don’t even look freakier nowadays. What is up with that?[/quote]
My guess is the high use of insulin/hgh.[/quote]
Yeah, I guess but what have they gained from it (whatever they do differently)? Are they really bigger and/or leaner than Dorian and co were? I doesn’t look like it they are. I would go as far as say that they have a lot more problems to be ripped to shreds than previously (and weirdly natties in general). Weird.
Anyway, if I would start using I wouldn’t want to touch hghs and especially not slin.
[quote]infinite_shore wrote:
[quote]Bauber wrote:
[quote]infinite_shore wrote:
[quote]LoRez wrote:
While part of it is a factor of leanness, his face went from looking like he was in his early 20s to looking like he was in his early 30s in the matter of a year.
There are a few current/former posters on this site where I’ve seen something similar.
Just an observation, but something I’d take into consideration.[/quote]
Yeah, I particularly like the ripped-body-but-fat-face look most pro BBers sport today. I didn’t see that in the Dorian era. And the shitty thing is that they don’t even look freakier nowadays. What is up with that?[/quote]
My guess is the high use of insulin/hgh.[/quote]
Yeah, I guess but what have they gained from it (whatever they do differently)? Are they really bigger and/or leaner than Dorian and co were? I doesn’t look like it they are. I would go as far as say that they have a lot more problems to be ripped to shreds than previously (and weirdly natties in general). Weird.
Anyway, if I would start using I wouldn’t want to touch hghs and especially not slin. [/quote]
Some people have to push a lot of hgh/slin just to get the size.
HgH use within reason isn’t that big of an issue imo. Overuse of it combined with insulin brings about the fucked up look and some theorize also leads to polumboism.
[quote]doublelung84 wrote:
[quote]therajraj wrote:
check out this guys 1 year transformation on steroids…
[/quote]
Nice vid, thanks for sharing therajraj
Ok, the dude peeled off some excess baby fat, pinned a gallon of juice, swallowed scads of pills and he still can’t pose. Stop looking at your muscles; they are still there and keep your tongue in your mouth.
[/quote]
Yeah guys a clown.
Since then he’s given himself a septic abscess in his arm from doing a butt-load of site injections and thinks that rapidly accruing
scar tissue all over his body adds to ‘his look.’
I don’t think it is worth the potential health risks, even if its a smaller risk in lower doses and doing things smart. The fact is it is not healthy for you no matter how you go about it, Sure there is a need to replace testosterone with conditions where the body cannot produce enough itself. Pushing the envelope of what is normal for the human physiology though and you open the door to possible complications.
I am not against them at all, it seems many can also stay healthy if they do things right but some still get hit with some issues from use regardless. This is all just pertaining to myself though, if others choose to use that is fine and I find it respectable if you do things smart. Its the people that abuse it and start to act like clowns that give anabolics the bad rep though. I think they are worth it if that is what someone is willing to try, however nothing is without the potential of side effects.
[quote]RampantBadger wrote:
[quote]doublelung84 wrote:
[quote]therajraj wrote:
check out this guys 1 year transformation on steroids…
[/quote]
Nice vid, thanks for sharing therajraj
Ok, the dude peeled off some excess baby fat, pinned a gallon of juice, swallowed scads of pills and he still can’t pose. Stop looking at your muscles; they are still there and keep your tongue in your mouth.
[/quote]
Yeah guys a clown.
Since then he’s given himself a septic abscess in his arm from doing a butt-load of site injections and thinks that rapidly accruing
scar tissue all over his body adds to ‘his look.’[/quote]
I can see the clownishness buuuuuuuuuut he did win an NPC bodybuilding competition last year.
Just sayin’
I know more about steroids than most users do, but I have not jumped on them yet and I doubt I will; perhaps when I’m older. Steroids overwhelmingly attract idiots (no offense; it’s places like these that attract reasonable users that obviously also exist) and as a result it is not a scene I wish to associate myself with. I enjoy being bigger, stronger, and better looking than 90% of steroid users I know.
I enjoy consistently getting bigger and stronger, while most users constantly fluctuate in size. Healthwise, my hormones are in the process of recovering from an unrelated issue; as such I don’t believe I’m near my natural peak yet.
I enjoy knowing that I am getting out of my workouts what I put in to them, which pushes me to train to my breaking point every time I step foot in the gym.
[quote]Tinashun wrote:
Steroids overwhelmingly attract idiots
[/quote]
A significant contingent of muscle chasers are idiots and self-centred narcissists. Are you going to stop lifting weights then?
[quote]therajraj wrote:
[quote]Tinashun wrote:
Steroids overwhelmingly attract idiots
[/quote]
A significant contingent of muscle chasers are idiots and self-centred narcissists. Are you going to stop lifting weights then?[/quote]
Lol this. Many weight lifters aren’t the brightest bulbs and your ego is quite funny. You know more than most huh. Plz share your welth of knowledge
Several years ago i was too naive and thought crazy gains and strength could be achieved without the use of steroids and juice is for the lazy people who don’t want to work hard, inpatients and stupid.
Why stupid? Because my ignorance led me to think that liver failure and permanent sterility were inevitable just to realize that roids are the dirty secret of all the IFBB pros and all time world record holders and when used wisely, the long term side effects are minimal.
So my health fears were exaggerated and don’t make sense anymore for me to not use steroids but a stronger and more convenient reason keeps me away from them!
I want to get the strongest and biggest possible naturally so all the credits go to my hard work and dedication ONLY. This is the ultimate satisfaction for me.
Some may argue about supplements. I would say i only use dietary supplements which don’t have a dramatic influence on performance and gains and don’t change the hormonal balance in the body to make you an advanced version of yourself.
[quote]kalb wrote:
I want to get the strongest and biggest possible naturally so all the credits go to my hard work and dedication ONLY. This is the ultimate satisfaction for me.
[/quote]
Have you given any thought to what you will do when you reach that point?
You’re 25 right? Gains come easy at 20; at 25, hard consistent work will do, at 30 everything has to on; training, diet, knowledge of your body, and rest. It’s at this time you will be struggling to put 10 lbs on your bench in a year. At 35 you will most likely be at your peak providing you have avoided the injury bug. At 40, your weights in the gym will decline, injuries will mount up, you’ll take on a softer look, your % BF will go up and you may find out for the first time in your life what the term “Stubborn Fat” is.
I’m not painting a bad picture for you, actually if you go at it naturally you may be even happier but this is most likely where you will go once you get there.
[quote]doublelung84 wrote:
[quote]kalb wrote:
I want to get the strongest and biggest possible naturally so all the credits go to my hard work and dedication ONLY. This is the ultimate satisfaction for me.
[/quote]
Have you given any thought to what you will do when you reach that point?
You’re 25 right? Gains come easy at 20; at 25, hard consistent work will do, at 30 everything has to on; training, diet, knowledge of your body, and rest. It’s at this time you will be struggling to put 10 lbs on your bench in a year. At 35 you will most likely be at your peak providing you have avoided the injury bug. At 40, your weights in the gym will decline, injuries will mount up, you’ll take on a softer look, your % BF will go up and you may find out for the first time in your life what the term “Stubborn Fat” is.
I’m not painting a bad picture for you, actually if you go at it naturally you may be even happier but this is most likely where you will go once you get there. [/quote]
Yeah maybe you’re right, but right now i am where i am. Maybe when i get there i’ll change my mind, but most likely a new challenge will raise and it will be: “Trying to maintain the gains as much as possible naturally”
[quote]kalb wrote:
[quote]doublelung84 wrote:
[quote]kalb wrote:
I want to get the strongest and biggest possible naturally so all the credits go to my hard work and dedication ONLY. This is the ultimate satisfaction for me.
[/quote]
Have you given any thought to what you will do when you reach that point?
You’re 25 right? Gains come easy at 20; at 25, hard consistent work will do, at 30 everything has to on; training, diet, knowledge of your body, and rest. It’s at this time you will be struggling to put 10 lbs on your bench in a year. At 35 you will most likely be at your peak providing you have avoided the injury bug. At 40, your weights in the gym will decline, injuries will mount up, you’ll take on a softer look, your % BF will go up and you may find out for the first time in your life what the term “Stubborn Fat” is.
I’m not painting a bad picture for you, actually if you go at it naturally you may be even happier but this is most likely where you will go once you get there. [/quote]
Yeah maybe you’re right, but right now i am where i am. Maybe when i get there i’ll change my mind, but most likely a new challenge will raise and it will be: “Trying to maintain the gains as much as possible naturally”
[/quote]
Ow, I’m right, you just don’t know it yet. 
Those new challenges you mentioned? I’ll help you there too. Wife, mortgage, children’s tuition, you see where I’m going right?
Plot your course, stay true to your beliefs, and in the end know that you achieved more than the guy who lived his life on Facebook!