Why Saying that Ideas of a Master Race is Stupid

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[quote]Null wrote:

[quote]HeavyTriple wrote:
^^^Jews made up a huge portion of the German physics community, and many defected to work on the Manhattan Project, including Meitner and Bethe. The Hungarian trio of Szilard, Teller, and Wigner all were Jews who worked in Germany and also became integral to the Manhattan Project. So it’s safe to say Germany chased off some pretty elite minds with their persecution, of whom a disproportionate number were Jewish. In fact (IIRC), I believe all of the Hungarians were born within miles of each other. Pretty impressive that such a small community could produce such brilliance.

Obviously I can include Einstein as well, though he didn’t actively contribute to the development of The Bomb.[/quote]

Wrong…

Einstein’s letter kicked off the whole Manhattan project. Oh and there was those general and special theories of relativity things.[/quote]

it was two german jews who created the rough blueprint for the atomic bomb in like 1940 in great britain( they had emigrated from germany in 1939), and when america joined the war and great britain joined the manhattan project, they where able to create it due to all the resources and collaboration with the other scientists. their names was Rudolph Peierls and Otto Frisch btw.

Einstein directly inspired the atom bomb, because the formula E = MC2 shows how extreme amounts of energy can be taken from very little mass. it’s true that he sent a letter to the govnerment of usa telling them to hurry, because he was sure that germany was working on an atom bomb.

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[quote]overstand wrote:
I don’t know if this point has been brought up, but do you guys think we are hardwired to want to try to improve the gene pool? We’ve been doing it for thousands of years with sexual selection.[/quote]
of course we are hardwired, why do you think we are attracted to some girls but not to all? if we weren’t hardwired to only have sex with the best genetically equipped, then we wouldn’t be attracted to attractive girls( or men if your gay or woman:P ) we would be attracted to all girls. which atleast most of us aren’t.

Only problem nowdays is that the biochemistry is the same but to succeed in 2011 requires different genes than in 1000 bc or something, so we are often attracted to " wrong " women.

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[quote]dollarbill44 wrote:

[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:

[quote]HeavyTriple wrote:
^^^Jews made up a huge portion of the German physics community, and many defected to work on the Manhattan Project, including Meitner and Bethe. The Hungarian trio of Szilard, Teller, and Wigner all were Jews who worked in Germany and also became integral to the Manhattan Project. So it’s safe to say Germany chased off some pretty elite minds with their persecution, of whom a disproportionate number were Jewish. In fact (IIRC), I believe all of the Hungarians were born within miles of each other. Pretty impressive that such a small community could produce such brilliance.

Obviously I can include Einstein as well, though he didn’t actively contribute to the development of The Bomb.[/quote]

The above is still inconsistent with his first sweeping statement. I understand the above, and his previous clarified point. He first statement was overly broad and unsupported in my opinion, given the horrid conditions of the ghettos to which they were segregated. [/quote]

You took it as a sweeping generalization of German-Jews, when it was not meant to be one. I tried to elaborate with my second post but you said I changed my stance. Such is the drawback of conversing via the internet and not vocally.

DB

DB[/quote]

Agreed. And I didn’t mean to imply you “changed your stance” or backtracked - I think I actually said you “clarified”. I actually hate trying to discuss anything on these forums. People misinterpret, nitpick (which apparently I might have just done), argue fallaciously (I see very few people here incapable of leaning on fallacious arguments and engage in honest debate) and are disrespectful where they wouldn’t dare be disrespectful in person. I’m thinking of limiting my time here, with maybe a goal of going back to “looking” (lurking) and “just reading the articles” (just like Playboy - “hey, I just read the articles, they have great articles” LOL).

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[quote]AndrewBolinger wrote:
I think this thread illustrates an interesting point. It is true that in many places the public education system focuses on the evils of the Germans in WW2. However, no one can deny that both on sides horrible crimes happened. In WWI it was common propaganda that Germans would eat babies to satisfy their appetite. Only now we can see how ridiculous those claims are, but at the time many people believed it. I feel it is not uncalled for to question the common knowledge of history when it is almost certain there is propaganda mixed with truth.

It seems like everyone is assuming the OP is some Neo-Nazi kid, when he is just pointing out that there was no good side, only two bad sides. This is definitely true, think about:

-The starvation of Ukranians under Stalin(worse than the holocaust for death toll by far)
-The placement of Japanese into prisoner camps
-Churchill ordering the first purposeful bombing of residential areas in Germany after an accidental bomb drop in London(the Germans retaliated with the bombing campaign against London)
-Fire bombing of Dresden
-The atomic bombs, especially the second one
-The Morgenthau Plan, which I have read caused the purposeful starvation of up to 11 million Germans after the war ended. (Some say the starvation aspect of the plan was an attempt to thin the world of the German race. If true this is worse than the holocaust with the same idealogical background)

These are just a few of thousands of examples of awful policy from the allied statesmen during the war. Thousands of examples exist on the Axis side as well, of course.

It makes me sick that some of these statesmen are thought of even today as heroes. It should be clear to everyone that this war accomplished nothing but many millions of deaths, governmental growth and loss of freedom around the world, economic catastrophe, and supported genocide. War does NOT solve anything.

However, there are still people that agree with the ideological base for WW2. If this isn’t propaganda and brainwashing on the part of the public school system and media even today, I don’t know what is.
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The rationale of several of the above tragedies goes so much deeper than “good” vs “bad”. To characterize the atomic bombing of Nagasaki as “especially bad” fails to account for the context in which it was done. This is a paradox of reopening history 70 years later and looking at events out of context. Japan had openly vowed to fight to the last man. The U.S. was faced with the prospect of 1 million more American casualties to slowly clear the Japanese islands of soldiers. War forces your hand a lot of times and requires doing things you wouldn’t otherwise want to do. If you don’t believe me, talk to some people who were alive back then and lived through the shit (I have, both U.S. and German). You can learn a fair amount from textbooks, but you still need to get overall context of the times from actually interviewing people who lived through it, whose full stories have not been edited to fit into someone else’s viewpoint or page space constraints.

If not war, how should the Allies have handled the Germans and Japanese, bearing in mind that Japan attacked the U.S., not the other way around and the Germans took advantage of the “peacemongers” who were afraid of Germany and launched the Blitzkrieg.

I swear a lot of people live in some dreamland where ignoring a bully will make him go away. There is as much brainwashing in this regard in the schools today as you ascertain there is with regards to the rationale of WWII.

DB

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[quote]ultralars wrote:
Jews where likely to be killed yes but so where any other " race ". The nazis belived in some kind of religion which said that they where the ancestors of Atlanteans, and that they had physic powers. They belived the reason they lost their power was because of interbreed with " beasts " or any other " race ". and therefore they became impure.

there where like 7 races before them and each has had it’s downfall, and one of the races’s downfall was interbreeding with animals. So the final solution to kill all Jews was because they believing in this crap and all other races was belived to be beasts, which must be wiped out in order for the nordic race’s exsistance to remain true.

The swastika is the symbol of the Aryan race as hitler called it. [/quote]

Not just Jews: wealthy Jews. As time went on, Hitler’s cause became more and more about keeping the cogs of his war machine going and less about establishing a master race (which he, by his own definitions, would never be a part of) . He would keep Jews with unique skill sets alive and dispose of those whose material worth could strengthen his regime - which is why a lot of them ended up in ghettos, this was the first stage of a deliberate, calculated process set to strip them of their humanity. Prison camps were the last. It transcends “mere” eugenics.

Yes, Hitler killed more than Jews, but they were the focus.

The swastika wasn’t the symbol of the Aryan race until Hitler hijacked it for his own purposes. It dates back thousands of years and generally means good luck. Working backwards, the “religion” was fabricated.

Consider this: Hitler’s Nazi salute was meant to subjugate the masses. It appears to be a gesture of solidarity and equality, but it isn’t. When Hitler gave an address and saluted the crowd, in returning the salute they were paying tribute not to each other or the state, but to him.

Compare that with Churchill’s victory ‘V’…

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[quote]roybot wrote:

[quote]ultralars wrote:
Jews where likely to be killed yes but so where any other " race ". The nazis belived in some kind of religion which said that they where the ancestors of Atlanteans, and that they had physic powers. They belived the reason they lost their power was because of interbreed with " beasts " or any other " race ". and therefore they became impure.

there where like 7 races before them and each has had it’s downfall, and one of the races’s downfall was interbreeding with animals. So the final solution to kill all Jews was because they believing in this crap and all other races was belived to be beasts, which must be wiped out in order for the nordic race’s exsistance to remain true.

The swastika is the symbol of the Aryan race as hitler called it. [/quote]

Not just Jews: wealthy Jews. As time went on, Hitler’s cause became more and more about keeping the cogs of his war machine going and less about establishing a master race (which he, by his own definitions, would never be a part of) . He would keep Jews with unique skill sets alive and dispose of those whose material worth could strengthen his regime - which is why a lot of them ended up in ghettos, this was the first stage of a deliberate, calculated process set to strip them of their humanity. Prison camps were the last. It transcends “mere” eugenics.

Yes, Hitler killed more than Jews, but they were the focus.

The swastika wasn’t the symbol of the Aryan race until Hitler hijacked it for his own purposes. It dates back thousands of years and generally means good luck. Working backwards, the “religion” was fabricated.

Consider this: Hitler’s Nazi salute was meant to subjugate the masses. It appears to be a gesture of solidarity and equality, but it isn’t. When Hitler gave an address and saluted the crowd, in returning the salute they were paying tribute not to each other or the state, but to him.

Compare that with Churchill’s victory ‘V’…[/quote]

it wasn’t hitler who started using the symbol it was actively being used in ww1.

Watch " The Occult History of the Third Reich " and you’ll get a better overview of their belief system and why they felt it so necessarily to exterminate every other race.

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[quote]ultralars wrote:

[quote]roybot wrote:

[quote]ultralars wrote:
Jews where likely to be killed yes but so where any other " race ". The nazis belived in some kind of religion which said that they where the ancestors of Atlanteans, and that they had physic powers. They belived the reason they lost their power was because of interbreed with " beasts " or any other " race ". and therefore they became impure.

there where like 7 races before them and each has had it’s downfall, and one of the races’s downfall was interbreeding with animals. So the final solution to kill all Jews was because they believing in this crap and all other races was belived to be beasts, which must be wiped out in order for the nordic race’s exsistance to remain true.

The swastika is the symbol of the Aryan race as hitler called it. [/quote]

Not just Jews: wealthy Jews. As time went on, Hitler’s cause became more and more about keeping the cogs of his war machine going and less about establishing a master race (which he, by his own definitions, would never be a part of) . He would keep Jews with unique skill sets alive and dispose of those whose material worth could strengthen his regime - which is why a lot of them ended up in ghettos, this was the first stage of a deliberate, calculated process set to strip them of their humanity. Prison camps were the last. It transcends “mere” eugenics.

Yes, Hitler killed more than Jews, but they were the focus.

The swastika wasn’t the symbol of the Aryan race until Hitler hijacked it for his own purposes. It dates back thousands of years and generally means good luck. Working backwards, the “religion” was fabricated.

Consider this: Hitler’s Nazi salute was meant to subjugate the masses. It appears to be a gesture of solidarity and equality, but it isn’t. When Hitler gave an address and saluted the crowd, in returning the salute they were paying tribute not to each other or the state, but to him.

Compare that with Churchill’s victory ‘V’…[/quote]

it wasn’t hitler who started using the symbol it was actively being used in ww1.

Watch " The Occult History of the Third Reich " and you’ll get a better overview of their belief system and why they felt it so necessarily to exterminate every other race.[/quote]

Instead of me watching a single documentary, why don’t you do some research about the use of the Swastika over thousands of years in several different religions? Given that last response, I’m guessing the docu skipped over that part. Probably skipped a lot of other things as well.

Poor Hitler. He didn’t start Nazism. He wasn’t a fucking pawn, that’s for sure.

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[quote]dollarbill44 wrote:
The rationale of several of the above tragedies goes so much deeper than “good” vs “bad”. To characterize the atomic bombing of Nagasaki as “especially bad” fails to account for the context in which it was done. This is a paradox of reopening history 70 years later and looking at events out of context. Japan had openly vowed to fight to the last man. The U.S. was faced with the prospect of 1 million more American casualties to slowly clear the Japanese islands of soldiers. War forces your hand a lot of times and requires doing things you wouldn’t otherwise want to do. If you don’t believe me, talk to some people who were alive back then and lived through the shit (I have, both U.S. and German). You can learn a fair amount from textbooks, but you still need to get overall context of the times from actually interviewing people who lived through it, whose full stories have not been edited to fit into someone else’s viewpoint or page space constraints.

If not war, how should the Allies have handled the Germans and Japanese, bearing in mind that Japan attacked the U.S., not the other way around and the Germans took advantage of the “peacemongers” who were afraid of Germany and launched the Blitzkrieg.

I swear a lot of people live in some dreamland where ignoring a bully will make him go away. There is as much brainwashing in this regard in the schools today as you ascertain there is with regards to the rationale of WWII.

DB[/quote]

These are complex relationships that cannot be thought of as individuals. A country is not a uniform unit like a bully might be, it consists of the state and the people which probably do not agree with each other completely. Even among those, there are usually many groups that have dependencies with each other between two countries.

If a country is truly neutral, an opposing country has a lot more to lose in this day and age by conquering it than they do by trading with it. It’s been a long time since it was discovered that humans are most productive when they are free rather than in slavery. Especially now where there is a definite economic link between almost every country on the earth, it is as foolish to have a war with another country as it is to slaughter the employees of a grocery store instead of just paying for your groceries. Look at the overall cost to benefit ratio here.

It is naive to believe that the United States was a neutral country when Japan attacked it. By all accounts the United States was involved in the war as much as a country could be without actually sending an army. That is why Japan attacked it. If the US was still supplying Japan with oil, arms, and food with no indication of impending war between the two, do you still think this would have happened?

It is the natural right of any individual or group to defend their private property against those who wish to take it from them, but as soon as the battle is fought over land which is owned by others this morality has been defiled.

The best example of a country which demonstrates true neutrality is Switzerland. Switzerland had and has some means with which to defend its borders. They also would trade with each of the two sides without any selective embargos. Switzerland even allowed the German army to make use of its infrastructure to cross the alps by special arrangement. Both the Germans and the allies had far more to lose by attacking it than by staying at peace with it, even though there is no way the Swiss could have withstood a full attack from either side. The Americans even bombed ZÃ?¼rich by accident more than once, but Switzerland still remained neutral. As a result, very few Swiss lives were lost and the beautiful traditional architecture in Swiss cities is intact even to this day. As an aside, the Swiss spent a lot of money on a sort of ‘war effort’ at that time but it was spent justly defending their own borders rather than conquering the land of others. Even today in Switzerland there are tank traps and bunkers hidden all over the place.

I believe the rationale of events during war does not go much deeper than good vs bad. If you are slaughtering people in their homeland for any reason, you are doing something wrong. People of the times were tricked into thinking that if they didn’t attack they would be fighting on their homeland. First of all this does not mean that attacking a country is justified, and second of all there are almost always other alternatives. Hitler himself had no interest initially in starting a war with England according to the books that I’ve read. England took the initiative to enter the war. Look what happened to it as a result.

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[quote]roybot wrote:

[quote]ultralars wrote:

[quote]roybot wrote:

[quote]ultralars wrote:
Jews where likely to be killed yes but so where any other " race ". The nazis belived in some kind of religion which said that they where the ancestors of Atlanteans, and that they had physic powers. They belived the reason they lost their power was because of interbreed with " beasts " or any other " race ". and therefore they became impure.

there where like 7 races before them and each has had it’s downfall, and one of the races’s downfall was interbreeding with animals. So the final solution to kill all Jews was because they believing in this crap and all other races was belived to be beasts, which must be wiped out in order for the nordic race’s exsistance to remain true.

The swastika is the symbol of the Aryan race as hitler called it. [/quote]

Not just Jews: wealthy Jews. As time went on, Hitler’s cause became more and more about keeping the cogs of his war machine going and less about establishing a master race (which he, by his own definitions, would never be a part of) . He would keep Jews with unique skill sets alive and dispose of those whose material worth could strengthen his regime - which is why a lot of them ended up in ghettos, this was the first stage of a deliberate, calculated process set to strip them of their humanity. Prison camps were the last. It transcends “mere” eugenics.

Yes, Hitler killed more than Jews, but they were the focus.

The swastika wasn’t the symbol of the Aryan race until Hitler hijacked it for his own purposes. It dates back thousands of years and generally means good luck. Working backwards, the “religion” was fabricated.

Consider this: Hitler’s Nazi salute was meant to subjugate the masses. It appears to be a gesture of solidarity and equality, but it isn’t. When Hitler gave an address and saluted the crowd, in returning the salute they were paying tribute not to each other or the state, but to him.

Compare that with Churchill’s victory ‘V’…[/quote]

it wasn’t hitler who started using the symbol it was actively being used in ww1.

Watch " The Occult History of the Third Reich " and you’ll get a better overview of their belief system and why they felt it so necessarily to exterminate every other race.[/quote]

Instead of me watching a single documentary, why don’t you do some research about the use of the Swastika over thousands of years in several different religions? Given that last response, I’m guessing the docu skipped over that part. Probably skipped a lot of other things as well.

Poor Hitler. He didn’t start Nazism. He wasn’t a fucking pawn, that’s for sure.

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I don’t believe it’s the same swatika you’re referring to. I believe the nazi swastika was tilted a bit. There is a difference. But yes, it was generally hijacked. Still not exactly the same and as you pointed out, not the same symbolism.

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[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:

[quote]roybot wrote:

[quote]ultralars wrote:

[quote]roybot wrote:

[quote]ultralars wrote:
Jews where likely to be killed yes but so where any other " race ". The nazis belived in some kind of religion which said that they where the ancestors of Atlanteans, and that they had physic powers. They belived the reason they lost their power was because of interbreed with " beasts " or any other " race ". and therefore they became impure.

there where like 7 races before them and each has had it’s downfall, and one of the races’s downfall was interbreeding with animals. So the final solution to kill all Jews was because they believing in this crap and all other races was belived to be beasts, which must be wiped out in order for the nordic race’s exsistance to remain true.

The swastika is the symbol of the Aryan race as hitler called it. [/quote]

Not just Jews: wealthy Jews. As time went on, Hitler’s cause became more and more about keeping the cogs of his war machine going and less about establishing a master race (which he, by his own definitions, would never be a part of) . He would keep Jews with unique skill sets alive and dispose of those whose material worth could strengthen his regime - which is why a lot of them ended up in ghettos, this was the first stage of a deliberate, calculated process set to strip them of their humanity. Prison camps were the last. It transcends “mere” eugenics.

Yes, Hitler killed more than Jews, but they were the focus.

The swastika wasn’t the symbol of the Aryan race until Hitler hijacked it for his own purposes. It dates back thousands of years and generally means good luck. Working backwards, the “religion” was fabricated.

Consider this: Hitler’s Nazi salute was meant to subjugate the masses. It appears to be a gesture of solidarity and equality, but it isn’t. When Hitler gave an address and saluted the crowd, in returning the salute they were paying tribute not to each other or the state, but to him.

Compare that with Churchill’s victory ‘V’…[/quote]

it wasn’t hitler who started using the symbol it was actively being used in ww1.

Watch " The Occult History of the Third Reich " and you’ll get a better overview of their belief system and why they felt it so necessarily to exterminate every other race.[/quote]

Instead of me watching a single documentary, why don’t you do some research about the use of the Swastika over thousands of years in several different religions? Given that last response, I’m guessing the docu skipped over that part. Probably skipped a lot of other things as well.

Poor Hitler. He didn’t start Nazism. He wasn’t a fucking pawn, that’s for sure.

[/quote]

I don’t believe it’s the same swatika you’re referring to. I believe the nazi swastika was tilted a bit. There is a difference. But yes, it was generally hijacked. Still not exactly the same and as you pointed out, not the same symbolism. [/quote]

There are quite a few variants of the ‘swastika’ design throughout history, even the name is from the Sanskrit ‘svastika’, meaning good luck. It wasn’t just a hijacking of the symbol itself. The etymology was pilfered as well. So it wasn’t coincidence.

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royrobot – Instead of me watching a single documentary, why don’t you do some research about the use of the Swastika over thousands of years in several different religions? Given that last response, I’m guessing the docu skipped over that part. Probably skipped a lot of other things as well.

Poor Hitler. He didn’t start Nazism. He wasn’t a fucking pawn, that’s for sure. —

ultralars – To your supprise, looking something up on wikipedia is not doing research. Doing research involves for example, going trough archives on the topic,and why should i waste life doing that when it have obviously been done before? you have no idea of nazi occultism, and watching that serie of documentaries on the topic will give you a clear overview of what your trying to talk about.

Obviously you have no interest in doing anything else than spreading rumors and stupid theories. —

Thebodyguard – I don’t believe it’s the same swatika you’re referring to. I believe the nazi swastika was tilted a bit. There is a difference. But yes, it was generally hijacked. Still not exactly the same and as you pointed out, not the same symbolism. –

you actually got it right, you seem to know a lot on the topic. it’s not the hindu thing, it’s taken from the rune alphabet( notice it’s straight lines and no dots)

check out this picture

check out number 18, Hitlers code number in ww2. THATS where it’s from, along with other symbols used in nazism.

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Also, number eleven on that picture was used by the SS

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The nazi swastika is dextrogyre, that means it’s right-handed. It is a symbol of the human acting against their destiny. The levogyre one means humans acting with the force of their destiny.
Pretty interesting isnt it

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[quote]ultralars wrote:

royrobot – Instead of me watching a single documentary, why don’t you do some research about the use of the Swastika over thousands of years in several different religions? Given that last response, I’m guessing the docu skipped over that part. Probably skipped a lot of other things as well.

Poor Hitler. He didn’t start Nazism. He wasn’t a fucking pawn, that’s for sure. —

ultralars – To your supprise, looking something up on wikipedia is not doing research. Doing research involves for example, going trough archives on the topic,and why should i waste life doing that when it have obviously been done before? you have no idea of nazi occultism, and watching that serie of documentaries on the topic will give you a clear overview of what your trying to talk about.

Obviously you have no interest in doing anything else than spreading rumors and stupid theories. —

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Ahem, to Ultralars’ surprise, and disappointment, I didn’t look it up on Wikipedia, one of my main interests is mythology and the occult. Ultralars’ recommended documentary does not cover the complete history of the swastika as his ignorance of it is pretty evident in his earlier posts.

Ultralars has tried to tell me Wikipedia links are not proper research, only to use Wikipedia links as part of his response to BG. Ultralars is a tiresome hypocrite not worth arguing with.

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[quote]roybot wrote:

[quote]ultralars wrote:

royrobot – Instead of me watching a single documentary, why don’t you do some research about the use of the Swastika over thousands of years in several different religions? Given that last response, I’m guessing the docu skipped over that part. Probably skipped a lot of other things as well.

Poor Hitler. He didn’t start Nazism. He wasn’t a fucking pawn, that’s for sure. —

ultralars – To your supprise, looking something up on wikipedia is not doing research. Doing research involves for example, going trough archives on the topic,and why should i waste life doing that when it have obviously been done before? you have no idea of nazi occultism, and watching that serie of documentaries on the topic will give you a clear overview of what your trying to talk about.

Obviously you have no interest in doing anything else than spreading rumors and stupid theories. —

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Ahem, to Ultralars’ surprise, and disappointment, I didn’t look it up on Wikipedia, one of my main interests is mythology and the occult. Ultralars’ recommended documentary does not cover the complete history of the swastika as his ignorance of it is pretty evident in his earlier posts.

Ultralars has tried to tell me Wikipedia links are not proper research, only to use Wikipedia links as part of his response to BG. Ultralars is a tiresome hypocrite not worth arguing with.
[/quote] What?? i said that Wikipedia does not qualify as a means for doing quality research, but it’s perfect as a mean to show people what stuff are, it doesn’t not go deep but it covers the general thing. I did not find out about the Nazis use of runes on wikipedia, i just used it to show you what the hell it is.

For gods sake man.

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[quote]Null wrote:

[quote]HeavyTriple wrote:
^^^Jews made up a huge portion of the German physics community, and many defected to work on the Manhattan Project, including Meitner and Bethe. The Hungarian trio of Szilard, Teller, and Wigner all were Jews who worked in Germany and also became integral to the Manhattan Project. So it’s safe to say Germany chased off some pretty elite minds with their persecution, of whom a disproportionate number were Jewish. In fact (IIRC), I believe all of the Hungarians were born within miles of each other. Pretty impressive that such a small community could produce such brilliance.

Obviously I can include Einstein as well, though he didn’t actively contribute to the development of The Bomb.[/quote]

Wrong…

Einstein’s letter kicked off the whole Manhattan project. Oh and there was those general and special theories of relativity things.[/quote]

Actually, it was Leo Szilard’s letter, signed off on by Einstein and now attributed to him. I was defining “active contribution” to working on the Manhattan Project. Dick.

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[quote]AndrewBolinger wrote:

-Churchill ordering the first purposeful bombing of residential areas in Germany after an accidental bomb drop in London(the Germans retaliated with the bombing campaign against London)
-Fire bombing of Dresden
-The atomic bombs, especially the second one
-The Morgenthau Plan, which I have read caused the purposeful starvation of up to 11 million Germans after the war ended. (Some say the starvation aspect of the plan was an attempt to thin the world of the German race. If true this is worse than the holocaust with the same
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I’m pretty you reversed the countries in that first statement. From what I’ve read, the Luftwaffe accidentally bombed one of their own cities (or some other target) in a night raid, and Hitler used this an excuse to initiate “total war” and begin bombing residential areas in Britain. I’ve never heard from any source that the UK was the first to target citizens.

Bombing Dresden=bombing tokyo=nuking Hiroshima/Nagasaki. It’s all the same thing. No matter what weapons were used, citizens were being targeted to “destroy the will to continue fighting.” It was a tactic with roots in WWI, and I don’t think you’ll hear anyone arguing that it was a good thing, but it was certainly performed by both sides. Again, it was a despicable practice, but what else could be done?

I’d also love to know why the second atomic bomb was any worse than the first. Japan wasn’t keen on surrendering even after the second, and it took the emperor overriding the opinions of his generals to surrender.

I don’t know anything about the Morgenthau plan, but I’ll go look it up.

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[quote]HeavyTriple wrote:

[quote]Null wrote:

[quote]HeavyTriple wrote:
^^^Jews made up a huge portion of the German physics community, and many defected to work on the Manhattan Project, including Meitner and Bethe. The Hungarian trio of Szilard, Teller, and Wigner all were Jews who worked in Germany and also became integral to the Manhattan Project. So it’s safe to say Germany chased off some pretty elite minds with their persecution, of whom a disproportionate number were Jewish. In fact (IIRC), I believe all of the Hungarians were born within miles of each other. Pretty impressive that such a small community could produce such brilliance.

Obviously I can include Einstein as well, though he didn’t actively contribute to the development of The Bomb.[/quote]

Wrong…

Einstein’s letter kicked off the whole Manhattan project. Oh and there was those general and special theories of relativity things.[/quote]

Actually, it was Leo Szilard’s letter, signed off on by Einstein and now attributed to him. I was defining “active contribution” to working on the Manhattan Project. Dick.
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LOL

I love this website

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[quote]ultralars wrote:

[quote]roybot wrote:

[quote]ultralars wrote:

royrobot – Instead of me watching a single documentary, why don’t you do some research about the use of the Swastika over thousands of years in several different religions? Given that last response, I’m guessing the docu skipped over that part. Probably skipped a lot of other things as well.

Poor Hitler. He didn’t start Nazism. He wasn’t a fucking pawn, that’s for sure. —

looking something up on wikipedia is not doing research
ultralars – To your supprise, looking something up on wikipedia is not doing research. Doing research involves for example, going trough archives on the topic,and why should i waste life doing that when it have obviously been done before? you have no idea of nazi occultism, and watching that serie of documentaries on the topic will give you a clear overview of what your trying to talk about.

Obviously you have no interest in doing anything else than spreading rumors and stupid theories. —

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Ahem, to Ultralars’ surprise, and disappointment, I didn’t look it up on Wikipedia, one of my main interests is mythology and the occult. Ultralars’ recommended documentary does not cover the complete history of the swastika as his ignorance of it is pretty evident in his earlier posts.

Ultralars has tried to tell me Wikipedia links are not proper research, only to use Wikipedia links as part of his response to BG. Ultralars is a tiresome hypocrite not worth arguing with.
[/quote] What?? i said that Wikipedia does not qualify as a means for doing quality research, but it’s perfect as a mean to show people what stuff are, it doesn’t not go deep but it covers the general thing. I did not find out about the Nazis use of runes on wikipedia, i just used it to show you what the hell it is. [/quote]

Liar. You demonstrated no knowledge of these ‘runes’ until after you accused me of trawling through wiki links because that’s what you do. E-intelligence.

[quote]ultralars wrote:

looking something up on wikipedia is not doing research. [/quote]

Goodbye.