Why Saying that Ideas of a Master Race is Stupid

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[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:
And by the way, the whole genetic discussion is bound to piss in a lot of cereal bowels today, because there are those among us that believe they can be “anything” as long as they try hard enough. That’s a big lie. We live in a world where you have more opportunities and access to achieve anything, if you’re qualified.

To put it in language some of you here can understand, no, most of you that actually try, will never have a lean 20" arm…not even 18 or 19 with “assistance”. LOL excuse me while I hide from the flamethrowers. It should be interesting. [/quote]

Haha love it man, but numbers aren’t whats relevant. If they were, Markus Ruhl would have won more often. And, since this is important, winning the Olympia is as much about arm size as your personality and marketability, and who you know, as it is physical traits.

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[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:

[quote]postholedigger wrote:

see how that works?[/quote]

Clever, but the reality is that society is quite good at segregating itself around its “own kind”. Everyone from Mexicans, to Whites, to Blacks do it. And we also largely choose our associations based on shared interests…so yes, we are the “relentless pursuit of muscle” people “over there”, who definitely shun the “I don’t give a fuck how I look and what I put down my throat” people “over there”. Gays have the “gay community” and so forth and so on. [/quote]

Yes, yet I work with gay peope regardless of where they live. My brother works with Indians because of their technical specialization. Segregation is always painfully obvious, and only serves to reinforce stereotypes. Thank god for bagels and chicken curry

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[quote]super saiyan wrote:

[quote]dollarbill44 wrote:
I don’t disagree with… the gas chamber to be the method of choice for… “extermination”. And, the bar against interracial marriage… wasn’t… unconstitutional…

…I’m interested in references supporting… the ban on interracial marriage in the U.S. Hell, John Smith married… Walt Disney… I’m not going to take the time to… assimilate and be productive. Now, if you want… elimination of other races, we’re… discussing euthenasia and actually implementing it…

…German-Jews… killed… Albert Einstein, who was… visiting… Hitler… for obvious reasons.
DB[/quote]

Wow dude.[/quote]

Wow dude, indeed.
I didn’t know I wrote that. Shame on me.

DB

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[quote]super saiyan wrote:

[quote]dollarbill44 wrote:
I don’t disagree with… the gas chamber to be the method of choice for… “extermination”. And, the bar against interracial marriage… wasn’t… unconstitutional…

…I’m interested in references supporting… the ban on interracial marriage in the U.S. Hell, John Smith married… Walt Disney… I’m not going to take the time to… assimilate and be productive. Now, if you want… elimination of other races, we’re… discussing euthenasia and actually implementing it…

…German-Jews… killed… Albert Einstein, who was… visiting… Hitler… for obvious reasons.
DB[/quote]

Wow dude.[/quote]

hahahaha

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[quote]TD54 wrote:

[quote]postholedigger wrote:

[quote]TD54 wrote:
i FUCKING LOVE when people say they are “done with this thread.” Never in the history of the interwebz has anyone said that and not come back[/quote]

In general, that is true but there are others with more discipline.

Gregron successfully announced a walk-out in this thread.

Alright, I’m done with this thread.

Kidding…[/quote]

Wow. Impressive[/quote]

WHAT!?!?

I’m fucking done with this thread! lol :wink:

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[quote]dollarbill44 wrote:

[quote]super saiyan wrote:

[quote]dollarbill44 wrote:
I don’t disagree with… the gas chamber to be the method of choice for… “extermination”. And, the bar against interracial marriage… wasn’t… unconstitutional…

…I’m interested in references supporting… the ban on interracial marriage in the U.S. Hell, John Smith married… Walt Disney… I’m not going to take the time to… assimilate and be productive. Now, if you want… elimination of other races, we’re… discussing euthenasia and actually implementing it…

…German-Jews… killed… Albert Einstein, who was… visiting… Hitler… for obvious reasons.
DB[/quote]

Wow dude.[/quote]

Wow dude, indeed.
I didn’t know I wrote that. Shame on me.

DB[/quote]

I’m pretty good at reading between the lines.

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[quote]dollarbill44 wrote:

As to my assertion of the societal and economic value of German-Jews when Hitler rose to power, there are lists of those who were imprisoned and/or killed as well as those who escaped Nazi Germany. Among those lists, you will find several men and women who were prominent businessmen, bankers, artists, performers, scientists, mathmeticians, etc. The most prominent was probably Albert Einstein, who was visiting the U.S. when Hitler rose to power and he didn’t return to Germany, for obvious reasons. If you want to expand the list out to those Jews from other countries, the list gets even bigger.

DB[/quote]

I don’t think this can be disputed, but it’s a bit different than your original statement. Now you seem to be talking about a subset, and not the population in general as you alluded to earlier. Maybe it’s semantics, but as earlier written, it begged supportive references.

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[quote]Kanada wrote:

[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:
And by the way, the whole genetic discussion is bound to piss in a lot of cereal bowels today, because there are those among us that believe they can be “anything” as long as they try hard enough. That’s a big lie. We live in a world where you have more opportunities and access to achieve anything, if you’re qualified.

To put it in language some of you here can understand, no, most of you that actually try, will never have a lean 20" arm…not even 18 or 19 with “assistance”. LOL excuse me while I hide from the flamethrowers. It should be interesting. [/quote]

Haha love it man, but numbers aren’t whats relevant. If they were, Markus Ruhl would have won more often. And, since this is important, winning the Olympia is as much about arm size as your personality and marketability, and who you know, as it is physical traits.[/quote]

I used arm size to illustrate a point. I have about as much interest in the Olympia (BB) as I do knitting and who wins the Olympia has about as much to do with my point as knitting. Genetics matter, particularly in matters where outliers rule (science, professional sports, etc.).

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[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:

[quote]dollarbill44 wrote:

As to my assertion of the societal and economic value of German-Jews when Hitler rose to power, there are lists of those who were imprisoned and/or killed as well as those who escaped Nazi Germany. Among those lists, you will find several men and women who were prominent businessmen, bankers, artists, performers, scientists, mathmeticians, etc. The most prominent was probably Albert Einstein, who was visiting the U.S. when Hitler rose to power and he didn’t return to Germany, for obvious reasons. If you want to expand the list out to those Jews from other countries, the list gets even bigger.

DB[/quote]

I don’t think this can be disputed, but it’s a bit different than your original statement. Now you seem to be talking about a subset, and not the population in general as you alluded to earlier. Maybe it’s semantics, but as earlier written, it begged supportive references. [/quote]

Interesting. I always thought that the Nazis were pretty selective in who they kept alive. Wealthy Jews, if anything were more likely to be killed because it would swell Nazi coffers and galvanize the regime. Fritz Lang (whose mother was born a Jew) fled to the U.S. shortly after Goebbels told him that although Lang’s movie The Testament of Dr. Mabuse was to be banned, he was interested in recruiting Lang as a producer of propaganda movies.

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[quote]dollarbill44 wrote:

[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:

[quote]dollarbill44 wrote:
regardless of the fact that so many of them were the most ambitious, intelligent and prosperous members of a nation’s citizenship.

DB[/quote]

As to my assertion of the societal and economic value of German-Jews when Hitler rose to power, there are lists of those who were imprisoned and/or killed as well as those who escaped Nazi Germany. Among those lists, you will find several men and women who were prominent businessmen, bankers, artists, performers, scientists, mathmeticians, etc. The most prominent was probably Albert Einstein, who was visiting the U.S. when Hitler rose to power and he didn’t return to Germany, for obvious reasons. If you want to expand the list out to those Jews from other countries, the list gets even bigger.

DB[/quote]

Your latter clarification is different that your original statement further above. My understanding of Jewish life during Nazi Germany was that they Jews were segregated to “ghettos”. Given that segregation, terrible living conditions and prohibition on education and religious worship (I know they educated and worshiped still, how widespread I don’t know), it is doubtful that Jews in that time were “the most ambitious, intelligent and prosperous members of a nation’s citizenship”. Granted this is undoubtedly a reflection of their treatment and condition, and not a representation of them as a group, but their living conditions are fact.

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^^^Jews made up a huge portion of the German physics community, and many defected to work on the Manhattan Project, including Meitner and Bethe. The Hungarian trio of Szilard, Teller, and Wigner all were Jews who worked in Germany and also became integral to the Manhattan Project. So it’s safe to say Germany chased off some pretty elite minds with their persecution, of whom a disproportionate number were Jewish. In fact (IIRC), I believe all of the Hungarians were born within miles of each other. Pretty impressive that such a small community could produce such brilliance.

Obviously I can include Einstein as well, though he didn’t actively contribute to the development of The Bomb.

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[quote]HeavyTriple wrote:
^^^Jews made up a huge portion of the German physics community, and many defected to work on the Manhattan Project, including Meitner and Bethe. The Hungarian trio of Szilard, Teller, and Wigner all were Jews who worked in Germany and also became integral to the Manhattan Project. So it’s safe to say Germany chased off some pretty elite minds with their persecution, of whom a disproportionate number were Jewish. In fact (IIRC), I believe all of the Hungarians were born within miles of each other. Pretty impressive that such a small community could produce such brilliance.

Obviously I can include Einstein as well, though he didn’t actively contribute to the development of The Bomb.[/quote]

The above is still inconsistent with his first sweeping statement. I understand the above, and his previous clarified point. He first statement was overly broad and unsupported in my opinion, given the horrid conditions of the ghettos to which they were segregated.

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[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:

[quote]HeavyTriple wrote:
^^^Jews made up a huge portion of the German physics community, and many defected to work on the Manhattan Project, including Meitner and Bethe. The Hungarian trio of Szilard, Teller, and Wigner all were Jews who worked in Germany and also became integral to the Manhattan Project. So it’s safe to say Germany chased off some pretty elite minds with their persecution, of whom a disproportionate number were Jewish. In fact (IIRC), I believe all of the Hungarians were born within miles of each other. Pretty impressive that such a small community could produce such brilliance.

Obviously I can include Einstein as well, though he didn’t actively contribute to the development of The Bomb.[/quote]

The above is still inconsistent with his first sweeping statement. I understand the above, and his previous clarified point. He first statement was overly broad and unsupported in my opinion, given the horrid conditions of the ghettos to which they were segregated. [/quote]

I was really just adding, so I can’t debate the original statement.

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I think this thread illustrates an interesting point. It is true that in many places the public education system focuses on the evils of the Germans in WW2. However, no one can deny that both on sides horrible crimes happened. In WWI it was common propaganda that Germans would eat babies to satisfy their appetite. Only now we can see how ridiculous those claims are, but at the time many people believed it. I feel it is not uncalled for to question the common knowledge of history when it is almost certain there is propaganda mixed with truth.

It seems like everyone is assuming the OP is some Neo-Nazi kid, when he is just pointing out that there was no good side, only two bad sides. This is definitely true, think about:

-The starvation of Ukranians under Stalin(worse than the holocaust for death toll by far)
-The placement of Japanese into prisoner camps
-Churchill ordering the first purposeful bombing of residential areas in Germany after an accidental bomb drop in London(the Germans retaliated with the bombing campaign against London)
-Fire bombing of Dresden
-The atomic bombs, especially the second one
-The Morgenthau Plan, which I have read caused the purposeful starvation of up to 11 million Germans after the war ended. (Some say the starvation aspect of the plan was an attempt to thin the world of the German race. If true this is worse than the holocaust with the same idealogical background)

These are just a few of thousands of examples of awful policy from the allied statesmen during the war. Thousands of examples exist on the Axis side as well, of course.

It makes me sick that some of these statesmen are thought of even today as heroes. It should be clear to everyone that this war accomplished nothing but many millions of deaths, governmental growth and loss of freedom around the world, economic catastrophe, and supported genocide. War does NOT solve anything.

However, there are still people that agree with the ideological base for WW2. If this isn’t propaganda and brainwashing on the part of the public school system and media even today, I don’t know what is.

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[quote]roybot wrote:

[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:

[quote]dollarbill44 wrote:

As to my assertion of the societal and economic value of German-Jews when Hitler rose to power, there are lists of those who were imprisoned and/or killed as well as those who escaped Nazi Germany. Among those lists, you will find several men and women who were prominent businessmen, bankers, artists, performers, scientists, mathmeticians, etc. The most prominent was probably Albert Einstein, who was visiting the U.S. when Hitler rose to power and he didn’t return to Germany, for obvious reasons. If you want to expand the list out to those Jews from other countries, the list gets even bigger.

DB[/quote]

I don’t think this can be disputed, but it’s a bit different than your original statement. Now you seem to be talking about a subset, and not the population in general as you alluded to earlier. Maybe it’s semantics, but as earlier written, it begged supportive references. [/quote]

Interesting. I always thought that the Nazis were pretty selective in who they kept alive. Wealthy Jews, if anything were more likely to be killed because it would swell Nazi coffers and galvanize the regime. Fritz Lang (whose mother was born a Jew) fled to the U.S. shortly after Goebbels told him that although Lang’s movie The Testament of Dr. Mabuse was to be banned, he was interested in recruiting Lang as a producer of propaganda movies. [/quote]

Jews where likely to be killed yes but so where any other " race ". The nazis belived in some kind of religion which said that they where the ancestors of Atlanteans, and that they had physic powers. They belived the reason they lost their power was because of interbreed with " beasts " or any other " race ". and therefore they became impure.

there where like 7 races before them and each has had it’s downfall, and one of the races’s downfall was interbreeding with animals. So the final solution to kill all Jews was because they believing in this crap and all other races was belived to be beasts, which must be wiped out in order for the nordic race’s exsistance to remain true.

The swastika is the symbol of the Aryan race as hitler called it.

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[quote]ultralars wrote:

[quote]roybot wrote:

[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:

[quote]dollarbill44 wrote:

As to my assertion of the societal and economic value of German-Jews when Hitler rose to power, there are lists of those who were imprisoned and/or killed as well as those who escaped Nazi Germany. Among those lists, you will find several men and women who were prominent businessmen, bankers, artists, performers, scientists, mathmeticians, etc. The most prominent was probably Albert Einstein, who was visiting the U.S. when Hitler rose to power and he didn’t return to Germany, for obvious reasons. If you want to expand the list out to those Jews from other countries, the list gets even bigger.

DB[/quote]

I don’t think this can be disputed, but it’s a bit different than your original statement. Now you seem to be talking about a subset, and not the population in general as you alluded to earlier. Maybe it’s semantics, but as earlier written, it begged supportive references. [/quote]

Interesting. I always thought that the Nazis were pretty selective in who they kept alive. Wealthy Jews, if anything were more likely to be killed because it would swell Nazi coffers and galvanize the regime. Fritz Lang (whose mother was born a Jew) fled to the U.S. shortly after Goebbels told him that although Lang’s movie The Testament of Dr. Mabuse was to be banned, he was interested in recruiting Lang as a producer of propaganda movies. [/quote]

Jews where likely to be killed yes but so where any other " race ". The nazis belived in some kind of religion which said that they where the ancestors of Atlantes, and that they had physic powers. They belived the reason they lost their power was because of interbreed with " beasts " or any other " race ". and therefore they became impure.

there where like 7 races before them and each has had it’s downfall, and one of the races’s downfall was interbreeding with animals. So the final solution to kill all Jews was because they believing in this crap and all other races was belived to be beasts, which must be wiped out in order for the nordic race’s exsistance to remain true.

The swastika is the symbol of the Aryan race as hitler called it. [/quote]

Hitler was interested in the occult and some corrupted interpretation of the Theosophical writings of Blavatsky.

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[quote]HeavyTriple wrote:
^^^Jews made up a huge portion of the German physics community, and many defected to work on the Manhattan Project, including Meitner and Bethe. The Hungarian trio of Szilard, Teller, and Wigner all were Jews who worked in Germany and also became integral to the Manhattan Project. So it’s safe to say Germany chased off some pretty elite minds with their persecution, of whom a disproportionate number were Jewish. In fact (IIRC), I believe all of the Hungarians were born within miles of each other. Pretty impressive that such a small community could produce such brilliance.

Obviously I can include Einstein as well, though he didn’t actively contribute to the development of The Bomb.[/quote]

Wrong…

Einstein’s letter kicked off the whole Manhattan project. Oh and there was those general and special theories of relativity things.

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[quote]HeavyTriple wrote:

Obviously I can include Einstein as well, though he didn’t actively contribute to the development of The Bomb.[/quote]

…

lol

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I don’t know if this point has been brought up, but do you guys think we are hardwired to want to try to improve the gene pool? We’ve been doing it for thousands of years with sexual selection.

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[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:

[quote]HeavyTriple wrote:
^^^Jews made up a huge portion of the German physics community, and many defected to work on the Manhattan Project, including Meitner and Bethe. The Hungarian trio of Szilard, Teller, and Wigner all were Jews who worked in Germany and also became integral to the Manhattan Project. So it’s safe to say Germany chased off some pretty elite minds with their persecution, of whom a disproportionate number were Jewish. In fact (IIRC), I believe all of the Hungarians were born within miles of each other. Pretty impressive that such a small community could produce such brilliance.

Obviously I can include Einstein as well, though he didn’t actively contribute to the development of The Bomb.[/quote]

The above is still inconsistent with his first sweeping statement. I understand the above, and his previous clarified point. He first statement was overly broad and unsupported in my opinion, given the horrid conditions of the ghettos to which they were segregated. [/quote]

You took it as a sweeping generalization of German-Jews, when it was not meant to be one. I tried to elaborate with my second post but you said I changed my stance. Such is the drawback of conversing via the internet and not vocally.

DB

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