[quote]ill wrote:
I know people who train 6 times a week have a manual labor job and still grow without steroids.[/quote]
I’m one of them, but according to the juicers on this site, I’m overtraining; even though I’m making gains and have no symptoms whatsoever of overtraining.
Yes.
[quote]Fulmen wrote:
ill wrote:
I know people who train 6 times a week have a manual labor job and still grow without steroids.
I’m one of them, but according to the juicers on this site, I’m overtraining; even though I’m making gains and have no symptoms whatsoever of overtraining.
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I have done that too. I have done 12 fullbody workouts per week too. However, that was not ideal for ME. Of course, I did not know that until I tried something else.
[quote]Fulmen wrote:
I’m one of them, but according to the juicers on this site, I’m overtraining; even though I’m making gains and have no symptoms whatsoever of overtraining.
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Forgive my possible naivete here, but I would find it surprising if any “juicers” would address overtraining in non “juicers” in a forum like this in the context that you suggest.
As far as the exchange between C-law and Modi, I like reading the authors here and often find food for thought, but I design my own training programs and routines.
I don’t necessarily think less of someone who chooses to follow prescriptions unless they are knee deep into something that is clearly wrong for them and won’t listen to reason or if they try to tell me something can’t be effective because so and so says it can’t be. Or even worse because so and so doesn’t say it can be.
5 days a week at least for me…whatever suits you
[quote]Hawkson101 wrote:
How come a lot of the programs on T-Nation do not advocate 5 days a week workout programs?
if you have time and eat right, wouldn’t more volume and more intensity for a body part equal better results?
what are the downsides?[/quote]
Hi Hawkson101,
As many have already advised, you need to find out what works for you. You also need to take into consideration your experience, recovery abilities, diet, and the intensity of your workouts.
If you’re a beginner, then you probably should build up your frequency, volume, and/or intensity slowly. While it is true to an extent that more is better, everyone has their current limits.
Personally, I’ve tried TBT, body part splits, push/pull splits, etc… And have found out through trial and error that my body doesn’t respond well to splits. I seem to make the best progress training total body very frequently (6+ times per week), but it would be foolish of me to suggest that you do the same without knowing what you respond well to.
I agree with what some have said in that at a certain experience level you will discover what works well for you and can then create your own effective workout plans. However, I think that for beginners at least, it’s probably a good idea to stick to programs written by accomplished trainers (like the ones found on this site).
Definitely try out as many different methodologies as possible though. Try out powerlifting programs like Westside, or Poloquin’s 1-6 principle. Try out body part specialization programs like CT’s HSS-100 programs. Try out Waterbury’s high frequency total body programs. Etc…etc…etc… Then, when you’ve got a few years of experience and a good base (which you should’ve built by this point if you’ve put in the effort and been consistent), you should have figured out more of less what you respond well to. Then, you can design your own personalized programs.
Good luck and good training,
Sentoguy
[quote]Tiribulus wrote:
Fulmen wrote:
I’m one of them, but according to the juicers on this site, I’m overtraining; even though I’m making gains and have no symptoms whatsoever of overtraining.
Forgive my possible naivete here, but I would find it surprising if any “juicers” would address overtraining in non “juicers” in a forum like this in the context that you suggest.
As far as the exchange between C-law and Modi, I like reading the authors here and often find food for thought, but I design my own training programs and routines.
I don’t necessarily think less of someone who chooses to follow prescriptions unless they are knee deep into something that is clearly wrong for them and won’t listen to reason or if they try to tell me something can’t be effective because so and so says it can’t be. Or even worse because so and so doesn’t say it can be.[/quote]
For the most part, I have designed my own workouts for the better part of 15 years. Occasionally I will try someone else’s program if it peaks my interest. When I do this, if I agree with the program, I try to follow it to the letter at the onset. I think it’s tough to argue with the results of someone’s program if you haven’t actually followed the program as it was laid out. Obviously there are plenty of programs that you just don’t agree with from the start.
Over the years, I have stolen bits and pieces and added them into my regular routines. Recently I followed CT’s HSS-100 with some good results. Now I’m back to my own program, but I have stolen some of his ideas and exercises, and added them to my repertoire. And it doesn’t have to come from the authors on this site. If a member has a good suggestion, I may decide to try it, and if it works, I will consider adding it to my routine.
I certainly don’t know everything, and am always willing to learn, regardless of who it’s from.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
It is times like that where you quit relying only on this web site and find out what works best for yourself. I personally have never followed a plan from this site. I train at the very least five days a week (and that’s if I am being called in at work during off hours). I usually train 6 days a week.[/quote]
I personally agree with this. I used to do the 3 times a week thing, Now I train 5-6 times a week, high volume. I’m personally exerpiencing the greatest “size” gains of my life.
Personally, (and this is just my opinion) I feel most people don’t train enough (frequency) and with enough volume to experience any real gains.
It seems like people are afraid to training.
[quote]greekdawg wrote:
Professor X wrote:
It is times like that where you quit relying only on this web site and find out what works best for yourself. I personally have never followed a plan from this site. I train at the very least five days a week (and that’s if I am being called in at work during off hours). I usually train 6 days a week.
I personally agree with this. I used to do the 3 times a week thing, Now I train 5-6 times a week, high volume. I’m personally exerpiencing the greatest “size” gains of my life.
Personally, (and this is just my opinion) I feel most people don’t train enough (frequency) and with enough volume to experience any real gains.
It seems like people are afraid to training.
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You do realize how old this thread is…right?
[quote]jackreape wrote:
Maybe it won’t work for you, but i suspect more workouts would work for most folks.
jmo
jack[/quote]
Agreed.
[quote]ill wrote:
I know people who train 6 times a week have a manual labor job and still grow without steroids.quote]
I’m one of 'em. I’ve already written a thread about working out 5 or more days a week in “Everyone thinks I’m Overtraining”.
Just look at Prof. X first post; it comes down to what works best for you.
[quote]Pbjoe wrote:
In fact, thank you all for showing me how stupid and weak i am. I thought after fifteen months that maybe i had learned something but apparently i know nothing. i have just relied on this website, on these authors dozens of college degrees, and have no knowledge of my own. ur right x, what do these authors know. Waterbury and Thibadeau who? What do they know. I need to go out and find what works for me. Im going to do chest and bi workouts four days a week with fifteen plus sets each and ill go to failure each time. After all overtraining is just a myth for pussys cuz wut do these authors know about the nervous system? Yeah that will show them i can figure out what works for me. That’s all you need cuz obviously the stress on ur body from the dumbell flys and concentration curls will release massive amounts of test and hgh throughout my body unlike squats. I will go out and make my own assumptions from my observations. Thanks to all. See you in twenty years at the Mr. Olympia.!! I will be the one with the crown,cane, and cape!![/quote]
How about we compare the physique that each party’s methods have yielded…I wonder if the book or the barbell will win.